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[mrbshouse]

Originally Posted by TrustNo1

"in response to requests from our.... publishers "

Shouldn't that be in the daily joke or something? What Publisher with any brains would ask to be put in handcuffs?

I'm rarely at a loss for words......but

[simcat]

Does anyone think the 'legacy links' will be an option for present publishers for long following June 23rd?

If so, I think the whole thing would have been worded differently..

[Superstar]

Nobody in their right mind who understands how affiliate marketing works would deploy something like this. It sounds more like brand advertisers who want to broadcast their message have complete control over everything everywhere and generate far fewer sales from affiliates but enjoy the free exposure. Have always been a huge fan of CJ up to this point, just have to see how it works out but it might tip the scale in favor of the smaller merchants on the smaller networks, legacy merchant relationships on CJ and any network that offers something other than JavaScript links.

If they're going to go all JavaScript, hope that doesn't hit till after the holiday shopping season - Feb, March 07.

[Mr. Sal]

I don't use many product links but when I do they come with all kinds of spider food, with the new links nothing. So with the new links there is nothing for the SE's to grab.

Not necessarily!

If you have being using javascript with GoldenCan to show products, and you're making money, why can't you do the same with the new CJ javascript links?

Anyway, if by now the "big" is dumping most of our affiliate sites to the supplemental hell hole, maybe, just maybe, the new CJ javascript links may bring some rope for the right affiliates to get out of that hole.

but, some is going on with some SE's, Networks and parasites this year, and I guess that before the end of 2006, something big is going to somewhere, there have being too many and speculation going on for too long, so maybe by the end of this year, we will see who get's , who get's , and who get's .

Sal.

[La_Valette]

Originally Posted by TrustNo1

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"The Link Management Initiative (LMI) was conceived in response to requests from our employees, advertisers and publishers for: "

Really, who cares what the employees think? I don't.

And who were the jackass publishers who requested this?

[simcat]

Heh! Mr. Sal ..I was just thinking before your post- what if CJ was jealous of GoldenCan!!

[Trust]

"If you have being using javascript with GoldenCan to show products, and you're making money, why can't you do the same with the new CJ javascript links?"

C'mon Sal. Why do you think people use product links? For SE food. GoldenCan is not used for that.

"Anyway, if by now the "big" is dumping most of our affiliate sites to the supplemental hell hole, maybe, just maybe, the new CJ javascript links may bring some rope for the right affiliates to get out of that hole."

Was a bug for me, all my pages are back, straight up affiliate pages, affiliate encoded links everywhere and they do just fine in Google. This isn't going to help you with Google. Anytime I've used javascript on my pages, it only slows them down, not going to speed the load times up. And when I use product links, it's for the search engines so they have something to grab. Like I said, have it as an option but let affiliates choose what kind of links they want to use. That's the better move. But that would actually make sense so that's anti-network thinking, so I don't see it happening.

[Trust]

"The Link Management Initiative (LMI) was conceived in response to requests from our employees, advertisers and publishers for: "

Maybe they used the same group of affiliates LS used when getting Synergy Analytics together? Some roaming band of affiliate idiots advising the networks.

"The Link Management Initiative (LMI) was conceived in response to requests from our employees, advertisers and publishers for: "

Yes, lets test that out. I request you have it as an option, not a requirement. As an affiliate, I want to be able to get the old links (legacy, current links) for merchants I partner with in the future. I know it won't happen and the "in response to request from publishers", they just made that up.

Affiliate: "Hey CJ, just make all the links javascript links"

And then on top of that you have to believe they actually listen to affiliates.

[LearnAbout]

I'd assume that the only the product link gets changed to Java, the rest of the feed stays the same. Your Product Name, Keywords, Description etc is still there and provides SE food. The current product link doesn't have much 'meat' on it anyways to serve a SE food, don't you think?

On a different note, since the Java link will still set a cookie (??) are we still at risk of being robbed by parasites? What does "The links themselves cannot be changed or tampered with" mean?

Cheers, Frank

[Trust]

"On a different note, since the Java link will still set a cookie (??) are we still at risk of being robbed by parasites?"

Adware usually targets the merchant site/domain. So you'll still be sending traffic to the merchant and they can still pop up. And maybe those who study how adware works, can fill me in on this. For those that use the afrc thing. Can you use that in javascript? Does adware currently follow the rules on that? For those that do, with the new links they won't be able to see it and then not follow it, not sure if they do anyway.

[Mr. Sal]

Originally Posted by simcat

Heh! Mr. Sal ..I was just thinking before your post- what if CJ was jealous of GoldenCan!!

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But now that I just think about that idea that you posted, what's wrong with having all of the CJ product links available in something extra like GodenCan script too?

Just think of the possibilities, no more duplicate content, no more $200.00 fee for the datafeeds, no more going to CJ just to get a new updated product link, no more getting just one product link at the time on the CJ products page, no longer having to deal with "this merchant has more that 1000 products on their catalog" - "refine your search or just search for some keyword for this merchant", etc, etc...

[jackson992]

That's the problem with GoldenCan, the spider can't see the content. This has to be the biggest most asinine thing I have ever seen a network do. I hate javascript with a passion. I'm with Trust on this one, Couldn't they at least give us a choice? I guess it's time we start convincing merchants to change netwworks.

[Trust]

Oh, forgot what someone else mentioned already as far as text links. I usually end up changing the text in the text links to make it uniform with all my other text links on my site. I want control over that. Actually something else I like to see and more of it is merchants growing a set and letting the network know your partners don't like this idea. I think somewhere along the line some of them have been conditioned to think they're not at the top of the affiliate marketing food chain. Just get together and tell them you don't want this or you'll go elsewhere. Networks don't exist without you and are not even needed for affiliate marketing to work. Just need merchants and affiliates. So if a network is making your partners unhappy, screw em. Move on.

[Nabz]

According to my Shopping site stats, 3% of visitors have Java Script disabled, so I will be loosing 3% of my sales.
>>>>> For the advertisers to which you were joined prior to June 23, 2006 (the launch date of the LMI), you will still be able to access Legacy link code for a limited time.

So it is must for us to change our links to JavaScript crap. and who knows after the time limit our legacy links stops tracking. Man, CJ is the only network I'm promoting heavily, I'm also promoting SAS, but it lacks good merchants, so I'm making 1% of my income from SAS and 99% from CJ.

I am sending an angry email to CJ.

[netcent]

Just a heads up/fyi, for any CJ users out there ....

In case you didn't receive their latest emailed notice, CJ will be rolling out a new linking system starting at the end of June which will offer new javascript linking options.

Sound great, love new options? Well, not so fast ....

Although CJ will be maintaining the "legacy" linking options for a period of time (ie. the straight HTML a href links), they will be phasing them out and eventually removing.

Yes kids, that's apparently correct .... you'll get to add even more javascript to your page that comes from a remote source to help slow your page rendering down even further.

HOPEFULLY Reha et al don't have any plans on moving to the CJ platform for linking any time soon.

Doug.

[Nabz]

I just contacted CJ and asked, "If I don't change my old Legacy Links to New JavaScript links, then will it effect tracking in future?" because it is impossible for me to change 10,000 links :S.

[La_Valette]

Originally Posted by nabeelk

I just contacted CJ and asked, "If I don't change my old Legacy Links to New JavaScript links, then will it effect tracking in future?" because it is impossible for me to change 10,000 links :S.

I sent a similar note. I suggest everybody posting here and reading this (and in agreement that it's a lousy idea) do the same.

[oscar]

Where do datafeeds play in to all of this?

I think that's in Phase 2...implies in the FAQs...

You will get JavaScript links in exactly the same way you obtain all other links. The exception is that the Product Catalog feed won't have JavaScript links included until July.

and here

Phase II will be released in late July 2006 and will include changes to Product Catalog links.

JavaScript links are structured in a unique way, putting the publisher site ID (PID) and advertisement ID (AID) in the HTTP header, (using the POST method).

Looks like it may be a form send (guessing here) if they are using the POST method. Going to be a lot of work to change the links...SIGH...

Oscar

[Azam]

I'm staggered that CJ could even think of implementing this.

Changing thousands of links manually integrated over many years into content sites is going to be a nightmare.

At least it provides the perfect opportunity to switch CJ links to other networks.

[Trust]

It's not a problem if what I posted earlier is correct:

"Who gets Legacy links?
The option to view and use Legacy links will only be available for publishers with relationships that were formed PRIOR to June 23, 2006. Any publisher-advertiser relationships formed after this date will only provide JavaScript links."

So if I'm reading that right, we can continue to use the current links with any merchants we are signed up with before June 23."

Now for merchants that join after June 23, the Javascript Merchants, I won't be putting up one link to them. Javascript for all the links as the only option is just beyond stupid.

[Airstrip]

Originally Posted by TrustNo1

It's not a problem if what I posted earlier is correct:

"Who gets Legacy links?
The option to view and use Legacy links will only be available for publishers with relationships that were formed PRIOR to June 23, 2006. Any publisher-advertiser relationships formed after this date will only provide JavaScript links."

So if I'm reading that right, we can continue to use the current links with any merchants we are signed up with before June 23."

Now for merchants that join after June 23, the Javascript Merchants, I won't be putting up one link to them. Javascript for all the links as the only option is just beyond stupid.

"But only for a limited time" will we be able to continue to use legacy links. Maybe I am reading it wrong... but thats what I got out of it..

[oscar]

Yeah Airstrip, I thought it implied that too

For the advertisers to which you were joined prior to June 23, 2006 (the launch date of the LMI), you will still be able to access Legacy link code for a limited time.

Oscar

[Nabz]

another Question? Will we be able to change text of the actual link? Like I do it currently, get the Text Link code, then change its text to something that attracts more to visitors.

[Trust]

Well that would suck. If that's where they're heading to an all javascript network, hmm don't know. Feel like I'm missing something because that would pretty much end up wrecking them.

Where's Malcolm at?

[Andy Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by TrustNo1

I think LS and CJ have some sort of weird competition going on with who can **** their own network better. I really don't want to put a bunch of javascript all over my site. If they want that, make it an option, not the only way to make links. Email your best merchants, get them on over to SAS.

Trust,

Why do you think ARC has been moving everyone over since last year ?