[2busy]

An informative list to help folks decide who to work with:

1 Stop Florists
123Inkjets
1-800 CONTACTS
1-800-FLORALS
1-800-FLOWERS
1-800-GET-LENS
1-800-Petmeds
39dollarglasses
49ers Shop
4inkjets
4my3boyz
6pm.com
7 For All Mankind
77kids
ABC TV Store
Abebooks
Abe's of Maine
Abt Electronics
Acacia Catalog
AccessoryGeeks
ACDSee
Ace Hardware
Acorn Online
Active Musician
Adagio Teas
Adidas
Adobe
Aerie by American Eagle
Aeropostale
Air & Water
Air France
Airfare Planet
AJ Madison
Akademiks
Alamo Car Rentals by Priceline
Alaska Airlines
Alibris
Alienware
All Wine Baskets
AllHeart.com
Alloy
Allstate Motor Club
Alpha Omega Publications
American Blinds, Wallpaper & More
American Eagle Outfitters
American Express Blue Cash Card
Andreasinc
Ann Taylor
Ann Taylor Loft
Anna's Linens
Anytime Costumes
Aperion Audio
Appetizerstogo.com
Apple Canada
Apple iTunes
Apple Small Business
Apple Store
Appleseed's
Aramark
Arden B.
Are You Game
Armani Exchange
Artistic Labels
Ashford.com
Ashro
Audible.com
Auditions Shoes
Auto Barn
Autosport Catalog
avenue
Avis
Avon
B&B Electronics
B.A. Mason
Babies Online
Babies R' Us
BabyAge
Babybasket
BabyCatalog
BabyDynamics.com
BabyEarth
BabyGap
BabytoBee
Bacario
Back in the Saddle
Back to Basics Toys
Backcountry.com
BackcountryOutlet
BagsBuy
Bake Me A Wish!
Ballard Designs
Banana Republic
Bare Necessities
Bargain Catalog Outlet
Bargain Cell
Barnes & Noble.com
Barse Sterling Silver
BaseballSavings.com
Bass Pro Shops
BatteriesPlus
Bealls
Beauty.com
BeautyStoreDepot.com
bebe
BEBE SPORT
Becker Surf
BedandBreakfast.com
Bellacor
Belt Outlet
Benefit Cosmetics
Best Bath Store
Best Buy
Best Deal Magazines
Best Western
Betsey Johnson
Better World
Bier Boot Haus
Bigfitness.net
Bigger & Brighter
Bike Bandit
Bionaire
Biotherm
BirkenstockCentral.com
Blair
Blinds.com
BlindsGalore
Bliss Spa
Blitz
Blockbuster Online
Bloomingbulb
Blue Nile
Bluefly
Boardtactics
BoatersWorld
Bobbi Brown Cosmetics
Boca Java
Boca Java Connoisseur Club
Boden
Book Close Outs
BooksAMillion
BootBarn
BootBay
Borders
Boscov's
Bose
Botanic Choice
Bowflex Shop
Brilliance
Broderbund
Brooks Brothers
Brookstone
Brownstone Studio
BrylaneHome
Buckle
Budget Rent-A-Car
Busted Tees
Buy.com
BuyMusic
Cabela's
Cafe Britt
Callaway Golf
Calumet Photographic
Calvin Klein Underwear
Cambria Suites
Cambridge SoundWorks (HiFi)
CameraWorld
CampingWorld
Candle Bay
Candlewood Suites
Candy Warehouse
Canvas on Demand
Carol Wrights Gifts
Carrot Ink
CarsDirect.com
Casual Male XL
Catherines
CBS Store
CBSSportsStore.com
CCS
Cell Phone Shop
Cellhut
Chadwick's
Champion Catalog
Champs Sports
ChangeforGreen
Charles Tyrwhitt
Charlotte Russe
CheapCaribbean.com
CheapTickets (Air)
CheapTickets (Cars)
CheapTickets (Hotels)
CheapTickets (Packages)
Check out new stores, new coupons and new cash back increases!
CHEFS
Cherry Moon Farms
Cheryl & Co.
Chico's
Chinaberry
Chique Life
Chocolate Source
Choice Hotels
Christianbook.com
Christmas Lights Etc
Christopher & Banks
Chumby
Cindy's Charms
CitySights NY
CJ Banks
Clarins
Clarion Hotel
Clinique
Clothing Warehouse
clubfurniture
Coastal Contacts
CoffeeForLess
Coldwater Creek
Collections Etc.
Collector's Choice Music
Colorful Images
Comfort Inn
Comfort Suites
ComfortShoeShop.com
Compact Appliance
CompanyKids
Computers4SURE
Contacts America
Converse
Cooking.com
Corel
Cosmetic Mall
Costume Hub
Costume Kingdom
Costume SuperCenter
Country Door
Courtyard
CoutureCandy
Coward Shoes
Crabtree & Evelyn
Creative Labs
Cross
Crowne Plaza
Crucial Technology
Cruise Savings
Crutchfield
Cubworld
Current Catalog
Current Labels
Customized Girl
Cutter & Buck
Cyberguys
Dale and Thomas Popcorn
Dancing Deer Baking Co.
Danskin Women's Apparel
David's Cookies
Day Timer
Dealz4Real.com
DEAN & DELUCA
Defunker
dELiA*s
Dell Canada
Dell Home Systems (Computers)
Dell Home Systems E&A
Dell Outlet
Dell Refurbished Computers
Dell Small Business
DERMAdoctor.com
Design Within Reach
Designers Imports
Diamond Harmony
Diamond.com
Diapers.com
Dick Blick Art Materials
Dickies
Dick's Sporting Goods
Dillard's
DIRECTV
Discovery Channel Store
Disney Movie Club
DisneyShopping.com
DJ Premium
Dockers
DockersShoes.com
Dog.com
DogToys.com
Domestications
Dr. Leonard's Healthcare
Drs. Foster & Smith
drugstore.com
Dunham's Sports
DuracellDirect.com
Dutch Gardens
DVD Planet
e.l.f. Cosmetics
E.T. Wright
Eastbay
Eastern Mountain Sports
Easy Comforts
eBags
eBatts.com
eBay
Econo Lodge
eCOST
Eddie Bauer
eDesignerShop
Edmunds Scientifics
eDressMe
eDressMeProm.com
Edwin Watts Golf
eFaucets
eHarlequin
ehotel
Electric Fireplaces Direct
EliteCarSeats.com
Endless
Enterprise Rent-A-Car
Entertainment.com
EpsonStore
Equifax Consumer Services
ESPN Shop
Esprit
etnies
eWatches.com
Executive Essentials
Expedia
Exposures
Express
Extended Stay Hotels
Extreme Halloween
Eye Buy Direct
Fabric.com
Fairfield Inn
Fairmont Hotels & Resorts
Famous Footwear
Fannie May Candies
Fans Edge
FantasticFans.com
FAO Schwarz
Fashion Chateau
Fathead
Faucets Fixtures Overstock
Final Score
Fine Jewelers
Fingerhut
Finish Line
Fleurop
Florist.com
Florsheim
Flower Store
Flowers Across America
Flowers Fast
Fogdog.com
Food Saver
Foot Locker
Football Fanatics
Footlux
FootSmart
FOSSIL
Four Points by Sheraton
Fox Rent-a-Car
Fox Shop
Fox TV Store
Fragrance House
FragranceNet.com
FragranceX.com
FramesDirect.com
Franklin Mint
FranklinCovey
frederick's of hollywood
Free Shipping
Frenchtoast.com
FreshPair
Frog Pond Aquatics
Frontgate
FTD.COM
Fujitsu
fye.com
G by GUESS
Gaiam
GameStop
Gap
GapBody
GapKids
GapMaternity
Gardeners Supply Company
Geeks.com
Get Organized
Gevalia Catalog
Gevalia Coffee Club
Ghirardelli Chocolate
GI Joe's
Gift Cards
GiftBaskets.com
GiftCertificates.com
Gifts For You Now
GiftTree
giggle
Ginny's Catalog
Giorgio Armani Beauty
Give Me Toys
GKWorld
Global Golf
Global Industrial
Go Card USA
Go2 Outfitters
GODIVA Chocolatier
GoGamer.com
GoGoods.com
GoldenMine
Goldyn
Golf Outlet USA
Golf Shoes Only
Golfballs.com
Golfsmith
Gordon's Jewelers
Gourmet Gift Baskets
Gourmet Monthly Clubs
Grandin Road
Great Gift Ideas Etc.
GreatLookz.com
GreekGear.com
Griffin Technology
GUESS
Gurney's Seed & Nursery Co.
H&R Block
H20 Plus
Haband
Half Price Costumes
Half.com by eBay
Hallmark
Hammacher Schlemmer
Hand Held Items
Handango
Hanes
HansonEllis Wedding Favors
Hartstone Pottery
Havaianas
Hawthorn Suites
Hayden-Harnett
HBO Store
HDTV Deals
HelloDirect
HerRoom
Hickory Farms
HisRoom
HockeyGiant
Holabird Sports
Holiday Inn
Holiday Inn Express
Home Bistro
Home Decorators Collection
Home Decorators Collection Outlet
Home Depot
Home Visions
HomeClick
HomeOfficeSolutions.com
Horchow
Hotel Chocolat
Hotel Chocolat UK
Hotel Indigo
Hotelpronto
Hotels.com
Hotwire (Airline Tickets)
Hotwire (Car Rental)
Hotwire (Hotel Reservations)
Hotwire (Vacation Packages)
House of Brides
House of Nutrition
HP Home and Home Office Store
HSN
Hudson Reed
Huntington Surf & Sport
I Bike Do You 2
I See Me! Personalized Books
ICE.com
iChapters
ILLUMINATIONS
illy caffe
In the Company of Dogs
Indian Selections
Inkgrabber
Inspired Silver
Instawares
Institute for Vibrant Living
InstrumentPro
InterContinental Hotels & Resorts
International Wine Accessories
Internet Florist
Invitation Box
Invitation Consultants
Invitations by Dawn
iPrint.com
iRobot
Irv's Luggage Warehouse
Isabella Catalog
Islandsurf
Ivy Blue
J and R Music and Computer World
J.Jill.com
Jackson & Perkins
Jade Boutique
Jake's Dog House
James Allen
James Avery
Jasco Uniforms
JCPenney
JCrew
JCWhitney
JDHines.com
Jessica London
JetBlue Airways
JewelBasket.com
Jewelry Television
Jewels for Me
joann.com
Jockey
JoggingStroller.com
Johnston & Murphy
Jos. A. Bank
Journeys
JourneysKidz
Just Because Baskets
Just Lenses
Just My Size
JustMetal
JW Marriott
K. Jordan
Kaehler World Traveler
Kansas City Steaks
Kaplan Test Prep
Karmaloop
Kayak
KazooToys
Kids Bargains
Kids Foot Locker
KidSafe
Kidsurplus
Kiehl's Since 1851
King Size Direct
Kitchen Collection
KitchenAid
Kiwi Kids Gear
Kmart.com
Kodak
KODAK Gallery
Kohls
Kosher.com
L.L.Bean
La Cense Beef
Lab Series for Men
Lady Foot Locker
Lake Champlain Chocolates
LaMonir
LAMPS PLUS
Lancome
Lands' End
Lane Bryant
Lane Bryant Catalog
Laptops for Less
Lapworks
Lastminute.com
Le Meridien
LeapFrog
Leaps and Bounds
Lee Jeans
Legal Sea Foods
LEGO Shop at Home
Lenovo
Lens.com
LensCrafters
LensMart
LetsTalk.com
Lew Magram
Lids.com
Lighting By Gregory
Limited Too
Limoges Jewelry
Linea Pelle
Little Tikes
LivingXL
Lobster Gram
L'OCCITANE
London Pass
Lord and Taylor
Loud Kricket Gift Shoppe
LoveSac
Lucky Brand Jeans
Luggage Guy
Luggage Pros
LuggageOnline
Lugz Footwear
Lumens.com
LUSH
Luxury Link
MacMall
macys
Magazineline
Magazines Unlimited
Magazines.com
Magellans.com
MagsForLess
Maidenform
MainStay Suites
Makeup.com
Man Alive
Manhattanite
Mantels Direct
Maps.com
Marciano
Marriott Hotels & Resorts
Martha Stewart Flowers for 1-800-FLOWERS
Martin and Osa
Maryland Square
Mason Shoe
Masseys
Match.com
Max & Chloe
Maxstudio
MC Sports
McAfee.com
MD Skincare
Medifast Diet
Meijer
Men Science
Men's Wearhouse
MetroKitchen
metrostyle
Michele
Midnight Velvet
Mighty Leaf Tea
Mikasa
Miles Kimball
MisterArt.com
MLB.com
Modell's
Monroe and Main
Monster.com
Moosejaw
Morgan Mint
Mothercare
Motherhood Maternity
MotherNature.com
Motorola Store
MotoSport
Mr. Beer
Mrs. Beasley's
Mrs. Fields
Murad Skin Care
Museum Store Company - TheArtifact
Music Box Attic
Musicians Friend
Musician's Hut
Musicnotes.com
MusicSpace
Mwave
My Flavia
* Merchant left ebates
My Strollers
My Wines Direct
Nascar
National Geographic Store
National Jean Company
National Pet Pharmacy
Naturalizer
Nautilus
Nautilus Catalog
NBA Store
NBC Universal Store
Nero
Netflix.com
Network Solutions
New Line Cinema Studio Store
New Stores & More!
New York & Company
Newegg
Newport News
NFL Shop
Nickelodeon Store
Nike
Nirvana Chocolates
Nordstrom
Norm Thompson
Northern Tool
NorthStyle
Nothing But Software
NutriSystem
Office Depot
OfficeDesigns.com
OfficeFurniture.com
OfficeMax
OHbaby!
Old Navy
OlympiaSports
Omaha Steaks
One Step Ahead
One Stop Plus
onehanesplace.com
Oneida
Online Sports
Only Natural Pet Store
OnSale
OrangeOnions
Orbitz
Organic Bouquet
Organic Style
Organize.com
Oriental Trading Co.
Origins
Orvis
OtterBox
OutdoorPros.com
OutInStyle
Overstock
Overtons
Pacific Pillows
Palm Beach Jewelry
Palm Store
PaperDirect
Paragon Sports
Parallels
Park Seed
Parts Express
Party Brights
Patagonia
Paul Fredrick
Payless Shoe Source
PC Connection
PC Tools Software
PC Universe
PCMall
PerfectMatch.com
Perfume Country
Perfume Emporium
PerfumeLand
Personal Creations
Personalization Mall
Peruvian Connection
Pet Street Mall
PetCareRx
PETCO
PetFoodDirect.com
PetSmart
Pfaelzer Brothers
Pfaltzgraff
Photomama
PhotoWorks
Pinatas.com
Pinemeadow Golf
Piperlime
Pitney Bowes
Play Phone
Poker N Stuff
PoolDawg
PosterXXL US
PrankPlace
Prep Sportswear
Prescriptives
Priceline Europe Hotels
Priceline.com (Airline Tickets)
Priceline.com (Car Rental)
Priceline.com (Hotel Rooms)
Priceline.com (Vacation)
PrintingForLess.com
PrintRunner
Pro Street Lighting
PROBOARDSHOP
ProFlowers
ProGolf
Promgirl
ProSportsMemorabilia
PsPrint
Pugster
Puma
Punch! Software
Pur Minerals
PurchaseTix
Puritan's Pride
Purity Products
Quality Inn
Queen Bee Girls
Quikbook
Quill
QVC
RadioShack
Raidentech
Rainbow Appliance
RalphLauren.com
Rand McNally
Razor Gator
RedEnvelope
RedOctane
RedStamp.com
RedTag.com
REI
REI-OUTLET
Relax The Back
Renaissance Hotels and Resorts
ReplaceYourCell.com
Residence Inn
Restaurant.com
ReStockIt.com
RICHART Chocolates
RitzCamera
Ritzpix
Road Runner Sports
Roaman's
Rob Diamond
Robeez
Robert Wayne Footwear
Rochester Big and Tall
Rock Creek
Rockport Shop
Rocky Mountain Trail
Rodeway Inn
Ross-Simons
Roxio
Rugby by Ralph Lauren
Rugman.com
RushMyPassport.com
S&S Worldwide
Safeway.com
Sahalie
Saks Fifth Avenue
Sam's Club
Samsonite Company Stores
Scholastic Store
Sears
Secret Spoon
Select Blinds
Sensational Beginnings
Sephora
Seventh Avenue
Sheraton
Shindigz
Shockwave
ShoeBuy
ShoeMall
Shoes.com
ShoeTrader.com
SHOP.COM
Shop4Tech
ShopBathroomLighting.com
Shopbop
ShopEcko.com
ShopJake
Shoplet.com
ShopNBC
ShopOutdoorLighting.com
ShopPBS
ShopTableLamps.com
Shu Uemura
Sierra Trading Post
Signature Wines
Silhouettes
Silkflowers
SIRIUS Satellite Radio
Six Flags
Sixth Avenue Electronics
Skechers
SkinCareRx
SkinStore.com
SkyMall
Sleep Inn
SmartBargains
Smarthome
Smashbox
SmileMakers
Smith & Hawken
Smith and Noble
SmoothFitness
Snapfish by HP
Sneaks 4 Sale
SnowShack
Soft Surroundings
SOHO LAB
Solio
Solutions
Soma Intimates
Sony
Southwest Airlines Vacations
Spa Finder
SpaLook
SpaWish
Speedo USA
Spiegel
Spirit Halloween
SportsFanfare
SportStop
Spreadshirt Designer
SpringHill Suites
Stacks and Stacks
Staples
Star Wars Shop
Starbucks Store
StayBridge Suites
Steelcase Store
Steve Madden
Steve's Blinds & Wallpaper
StickerGiant
Stonewall Kitchen
StrawberryNET
StuffKidsLike
Style Rocket
Stylin' Trucks
Subside Sports
Suburban
Super Media Store
SuperJeweler
Sur La Table
SuuntoWatches.com
Swell
Swimsuitsforall
Symantec
Szul.com
Tabasco Country Store
Tafford
Target
Tea Collection
Tech Depot
Tech for Less
Tees For All
Teleflora
Textbooks.com
TextbookX.com
Textileshop
TGW.com
The A&E Shop
The Artful Home
The Biography Channel
The Body Shop
The Children's Place
The Company Store
The Container Store
The Fruit Company
The Great Indoors
The Hip Chick
The History Channel
The Home Marketplace
The House
The Lakeside Collection
The Land of Nod
The Light Shop
The New York Pass
The North Face
The Onion Store
The Perfume Spot
The Popcorn Factory
The Savile Row Co
The Scrap Queen
The Shade Store
The Swiss Colony
The Tech Geek
The Tender Filet
The Walking Company
The Wine Messenger
TheFurniture.com
TheNerds.net
ThermaClear
TheShoeMart
Things Remembered
Thomas Pink
Thompson Cigar
Thrifty Car Rental
TickCo Premium Seating
TicketsNow
TigerDirect
TigerGPS
Tilly's
Timberland
Timbuk2
Time Life
TipToeTurtle.com
Tire Rack
Titanium Kay
TiVo
TJ Formal
Tobi
TomTom
ToshibaDirect.com
TownePlace Suites
Toys R' Us
TracFone
Transparent Language
Travelocity (Airline Tickets)
Travelocity (Car Rental)
Travelocity (Hotel)
Travelocity (Vacations)
TravelSmith
TravelSmith
Treo Store
True Religion
U.S. Toy Company
uBid
UFC Store
ULTA Beauty
Ultimate Backstore
Ultra Diamonds
Umi Children's Shoes
Uncommon Goods
Under Armour
Undergear
Underground Station
Uniform City
United.com (Air)
United.com (Hotels)
Upper Deck Store
Urban Outfitters
USAFlorist.com
USOUTDOOR.com
Valentine’s Gifts
ValueMags
Van's
Vera Bradley
Verseo
Victoria's Secret
Vintage Tub & Bath
Virgin Atlantic Airways
VisionDirect
Visiticket
VistaPrint
vitacost.com
Vitalicious
Vitamin World
Vons.com
W Hotels
Walmart
Walter Drake
Warner Bros. Online Shop
WATCHZONE.COM
Wayside Gardens
WaySpa
WB TV Shop
Wegolo
west elm
West Marine
Westin
Westin
Westport Big & Tall
Wet Seal
White House Black Market
Wild Orchid
Wild Planet Toy Store
Wild Ties
WILLIAMS-SONOMA
WILLIAMS-SONOMA HOME
Wine Enthusiast
Wine.com
Wireless Emporium
Wolf Camera
Woman Within
Woolrich
Workout Warehouse
Wrapables
Wyndham Hotels & Resorts
Wynn Las Vegas
XM Radio
X-tremegeek
Yahoo! Personals
YOOX
Yves Rocher Botanical Beauty
Zales
Zappos
Zazzle
Zephyr Paintball
ZIRH men's skin care
Zoobooks
Zurich

[orninc]

Hi 2busy and Everyone,

I am new here. I just would like to ask. Should I avoid all these merchants or is there a way I can do some research to find out if the one I am interested to promote their products are "clean".

Thank you in advance for any suggestion or help.

Orninc

[purplebear]

Hi orninc
Welcome to the forum
This area (ParasiteWare) is the part of the forum where you'll find the most information about this subject. Well, you can read up there in the black area below the nasty lookin bug what all is included in this section.

As to your question: "Should I avoid all these merchants or is there a way I can do some research to find out if the one I am interested to promote their products are "clean"."

Ideally that would be good.....but depending on what type of products you're interested in promoting, that may not be possible. Best thing to do is make a search here at the forum for the merchant you're interested in, read the results and you'll be able to get an idea if they are clean or not.You'll be able to learn quite a bit about them. Depending on which particular product you want to promote....it can be possible that they are clean just depends on who it is.

Also, make some general searches for things like "toolbars, parasites, clean program, etc. and you should get some results. This will keep you busy for a while. There are other things to be aware of in a program, too but I don't want to overwhelm you with lots of stuff.

To get started tho read as much as you can in this area and make those searches. Then if you still have questions, just ask and people will help

Good luck

[orninc]

Hi Purplebear,

Thank you for some great advice. I had been reading quite a bit here and I shall dig some more to learn more about any merchant that I like. We have a great community here, and people like you just what make abestweb stand apart from the rest.

Wishing everyone all the best.

[ramona]

I don't get it, what's wrong with Ebates and these merchants?

[Corri M Coulter]

Howdy all,

As a merchant, I too am very curious about EBates and UPromise. Some big players in the affiliate world have said these guys have cleaned up their act - is this the case? I am about to launch a new program and some consultants have wanted to push us in CJ and SAS based solely on the fact that Ebates and UPromise are there.

Can someone help?

Thanks!

Corri

[BurgerBoy]

More information here:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

[Greg Rice]

Originally Posted by Corri M Coulter

Howdy all,

As a merchant, I too am very curious about EBates and UPromise. Some big players in the affiliate world have said these guys have cleaned up their act - is this the case? I am about to launch a new program and some consultants have wanted to push us in CJ and SAS based solely on the fact that Ebates and UPromise are there.

Can someone help?

Thanks!

Corri

I take it these consultants will get a piece of the action these "affiliates" will generate? Did they tell you these affiliates will also get paid on your search traffic (organic and PPC) and direct type-ins to your site?

[AffiliateHound]

Originally Posted by Corri M Coulter

I am about to launch a new program and some consultants have wanted to push us in ...SAS based solely on the fact that Ebates and UPromise are there.

If true, this would be a big surprise to 99% of the members here.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Greg Rice

I take it these consultants will get a piece of the action these "affiliates" will generate? Did they tell you these affiliates will also get paid on your search traffic (organic and PPC) and direct type-ins to your site?

And did those consultants also tell you that some affiliates will NOT sign up with you if you are a part of Ebates/Upromise/FatWallet/OneCause types of sites?

Part of my screening process is to check to see if "you" are in with any of them. If you are, I need go no further in considering you. I'll move on to another program - quite possibly a competitor.

[Corri M Coulter]

I already know about the fact that if affiliates know we're working with Ebates, UPromise, etc., they'll avoid us like the plague.

The problem lies with the fact that our new VP of Internet Marketing is friends with some of the big players in the affiliate world. The VP and one of these folks (who shall remain nameless) were having a conversation about our decisions regarding trying to decide on a network (CJ or SAS). This person told my VP that the upshot of working with CJ is Ebates and the upshot with working with SAS is Upromise (or the reverse _ I may have that backwards). I was pretty much in shock! Like I said before, I denied Ebates' application last time I managed a program based strictly on what I knew from talking to other affiliates and being a part of the ABW community.

Our VP was very confused when we then had a conversation afterwards and I informed her about my past knowledge of Ebates, etc. and parasiteware and its affects on affiliates (not consumers). I'm trying desperately to find details - forum postings, blogs, articles, etc. - that I can show her so she'll understand.

Thanks for everyone's responses so far but please post more info, if you have it!

C.

[Bill]

Ebates and Upromise are both in CJ. SAS has neither.

Try this thread to see how those types of programs hurt not only affiliates, but actually reduce the ROI of the merchant: http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=89073

Donuts put that together a while back but it is still a pretty good overview of the damage those types of programs cause to the industry.

[Greg Rice]

Originally Posted by Corri M Coulter

I already know about the fact that if affiliates know we're working with Ebates, UPromise, etc., they'll avoid us like the plague.

The problem lies with the fact that our new VP of Internet Marketing is friends with some of the big players in the affiliate world. The VP and one of these folks (who shall remain nameless) were having a conversation about our decisions regarding trying to decide on a network (CJ or SAS). This person told my VP that the upshot of working with CJ is Ebates and the upshot with working with SAS is Upromise (or the reverse _ I may have that backwards). I was pretty much in shock! Like I said before, I denied Ebates' application last time I managed a program based strictly on what I knew from talking to other affiliates and being a part of the ABW community.

Our VP was very confused when we then had a conversation afterwards and I informed her about my past knowledge of Ebates, etc. and parasiteware and its affects on affiliates (not consumers). I'm trying desperately to find details - forum postings, blogs, articles, etc. - that I can show her so she'll understand.

Thanks for everyone's responses so far but please post more info, if you have it!

C.

Try this

[Micker]

Hi There,

I'm a new AM, started in September, I noticed that my company is on the list. I've just done some scary reading and expired eBates from my program (effective May 1)

How do I get my company off the list?

[sunshiner]

Unfortunately, because not enough merchants/AM's/consultants care, the sites like Ebates and Upromise are harder for the smaller, clean ones to compete with because their sales are higher and so are their commissions. Its a vicious cycle, but I for one, would like to thank anyone who will not work with these parasitic sites.

[Brian - ShareASale]

Originally Posted by Corri M Coulter

I already know about the fact that if affiliates know we're working with Ebates, UPromise, etc., they'll avoid us like the plague.

The problem lies with the fact that our new VP of Internet Marketing is friends with some of the big players in the affiliate world. The VP and one of these folks (who shall remain nameless) were having a conversation about our decisions regarding trying to decide on a network (CJ or SAS). This person told my VP that the upshot of working with CJ is Ebates and the upshot with working with SAS is Upromise (or the reverse _ I may have that backwards). I was pretty much in shock! Like I said before, I denied Ebates' application last time I managed a program based strictly on what I knew from talking to other affiliates and being a part of the ABW community.

Our VP was very confused when we then had a conversation afterwards and I informed her about my past knowledge of Ebates, etc. and parasiteware and its affects on affiliates (not consumers). I'm trying desperately to find details - forum postings, blogs, articles, etc. - that I can show her so she'll understand.

Thanks for everyone's responses so far but please post more info, if you have it!

C.

Corri,

Without going into detail I can state that your VP has wrong information regarding the ShareASale Network.

If you have questions regarding what we do or don't allow please feel free to email me at brian@

[Corri M Coulter]

Brian,

For some reason, I am just seeing your post now. The next few days are decision time for us so whatever information you can pass my way would be great. Maybe I had some things confused so my apologies. I think it stands that you don't let any toolbar affiliates in your network now but this policy is about to change in 2009 (if I've been following the other threads correctly, right?)

If you want to have this discussion offline, let me know.

Thanks!

Corri

[Micker]

Originally Posted by Micker

Hi There,

I'm a new AM, started in September, I noticed that my company is on the list. I've just done some scary reading and expired eBates from my program (effective May 1)

How do I get my company off the list?

Now I'm really confused. I just had a conversation with EBATES and they tell me that as of last year they have no software/toolbars.

If they have no software now, why exactly will affiliates blacklist my program if I allow EBATES in my program?

Cheers,

Mick

[Zeus]

The thieves at eBates (and the networks supporting them) have been stealing our commissions for years. Do you think because somebody has decided to switch from Moe Money Maker to a "non-downloaded reminder tool very soon" we're going to work with the merchants who were supporting them or new merchants. NO WAY!

Read the thread at Shareasale regarding toolbars and read what eBates said about their new applications.
"The new, cutting-edge toolbar will provide a superior customer experience and better access to personalized special offers without actually being downloaded to your computer. As soon as the toolbar is ready for use, you will be among the first to know"

Stealing a little bit less from other affiliates or merchants doesn't make them clean.

[Micker]

Hi Zeus,

Can you pin point that article a little more I there are 14 pages on that link? My search didn't turn up anything

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Micker

Hi Zeus,

Can you pin point that article a little more I there are 14 pages on that link? My search didn't turn up anything

If you "really" want to learn how affiliates feel about that issue you should take the time to read those 14 pages. AND do a search for "parasites" and read some of those threads.

Zeus has it summed up quite well. If I see a merchant on Ebates, Upromise, FatWallet, etc., I will not consider promoting them. There are too many good merchants out there who are not willing to compromise their ethics to work with an outfit known to poach (my) customers.

Sorry for the rant. Now where is that "beating a dead horse smiley?"

[Zeus]

In this thread Shareasale is trying to convince merchants and affiliates, a toolbar is an innocent application. eBates is switching to a toolbar to look more respectable (and avoid to be detected by anti-adware/spyware software) but the problem is still the same. A toolbar is just an other reminder like MMM or TopMoxie applications. Different technologies but same purpose, overwriting cookies and tagging merchants sales as commissionable sales.

[Micker]

Originally Posted by Zeus

In this thread Shareasale is trying to convince merchants and affiliates, a toolbar is an innocent application. eBates is switching to a toolbar to look more respectable (and avoid to be detected by anti-adware/spyware software) but the problem is still the same. A toolbar is just an other reminder like MMM or TopMoxie applications. Different technologies but same purpose, overwriting cookies and tagging merchants sales as commissionable sales.

Hi Zeus,

thanks for your patience for dealing with a newbie AM, I get the concept of parasiteware/toolbars, I agree that stealing clicks is bad.

I am not trying to defend ebates. In fact I expired them from my program after reading this thread. When they called me and asked why, I pointed them to this thread. I asked them point blank if they had software or a toolbar. They replied that they don't have any software at all.

Are you saying that they lying to me and are using toolbars / or software? I need ammunition to defend my decision to keep them out of the program

[Micker]

Originally Posted by Bill

If you "really" want to learn how affiliates feel about that issue you should take the time to read those 14 pages. AND do a search for "parasites" and read some of those threads.

Zeus has it summed up quite well. If I see a merchant on Ebates, Upromise, FatWallet, etc., I will not consider promoting them. There are too many good merchants out there who are not willing to compromise their ethics to work with an outfit known to poach (my) customers.

Sorry for the rant. Now where is that "beating a dead horse smiley?"

Hi Bill,

You don't make a newbie feel very welcome.

I spent hours reading about parasite-ware. I expired ebates from my program when I read this thread. I expired someone who was driving revenue because I agree that stealing clicks is wrong. When they called to ask why, I flat out asked them if they had any software or toolbar. They said no.

After an hour and a half of reading/searchin I asked Zeus a follow up question because I wanted to know if ebates was lying to me.

How exacly does this mean that I don't

Originally Posted by Bill

"really" want to learn how affiliates feel about that issue

?

Or that I've

Originally Posted by Bill

compromise their ethics...

?

Cheers,

Mick

[Rexanne]

Originally Posted by Micker

Hi Bill,

You don't make a newbie feel very welcome.

Mick

Hi Micker,

Ya know - this forum is about the friendliest place I know - it annoys me when new members begin to point fingers at VALUED long time members and complain that they don't feel welcome.

I was reading your posts before this last one and feeling for your confusion. Now I just want to say "Get over yourself!"

Bill was in no way attacking you or your ethics. This is a forum for mature business people - if you jump on the defense like a 3 year old, you'll get only what you give out and that's not gonna help your business.

Rally on - stick around, build relationships and learn. Also, know that anyone who bothers to answer a post you make is trying to HELP you.