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May 27th, 2002, 02:19 PM
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Well almost all webmasters know that ad blockers hit there revenue, I have developed www.antiadbuster.com which detects if a user is using a ad blocker / ad killer to block ads on your site.
I was wondering how much percentage of your users use some sort of ad blocker to block your ads, and should we block users who use ad blocking on website!
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May 27th, 2002, 04:47 PM
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Hi
I am one of those people who hates ads when I vist a webs site. I do have a program that stops them poping up and the only thing that would make me leave a site more quickly than an ad popping up is when a site forces an ad when I am blocking them. I doubt that an anti-ad blocker would bring in any revenue as the reflex action of us ad-haters is to click the little cross in the upper right without even looking at the content. I would then close the main web site too and search for something elsewhere.
Just my opinion, but if you want people to view your ads then let them choose to view them (or at least not choose not to).
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May 27th, 2002, 04:48 PM
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I'm all for that idea.
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May 27th, 2002, 05:04 PM
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I do like the anti-download protection feature. There's certainly a lot of site-stealing going on.
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May 27th, 2002, 05:11 PM
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Most of the webmasters (Content Free Sites) get there revenue through banner advertising (which is already in a bad state) adding to this most of the users these days use some sort of ad-blocking software which removes the ads from the sites (thus hitting the webmasters badly) , antiadbuster is a script which detects the presence of such ad-blockers.
I don't want to start a debate here, but I feel webmasters should be able to stop people using ad blockers. (I too hate pop ads and excess advertising)
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May 27th, 2002, 07:05 PM
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funtoon,
I'm not trying to start any kind of flaming here, but your post looks a little like spam [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] plus I have a couple of questions.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>adding to this most of the users these days use some sort of ad-blocking software which removes the ads from the sites <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The above statement appears to be a marking one as I have reservations about most users using ad-blocking software. I know a lot of users and they woundn't know ad-blocking software if it looked them in the face. How do you get your stats?
Also, how does the anti-download protection feature work? Is this some type of code you put on your site. If so, you are not using it as I downloaded your site to my hard drive using IE6??? BTW, I did delete it.
Just asking as I don't seem to understand some things. :confused:
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May 27th, 2002, 11:31 PM
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Hello Tribune,
If you feel that this is spam please moderators delete this thread.
I just wanted to throw some light on the subject that most of us are not even aware,
Sorry I am new here, I dont even know if I posted about this subject in the correct forum, this discussion should go in the webmasters releated issues.
About Ad-blocking from the feedback that I got from the sites on which this script is installed which detects ad blocking software my finding ranges between 3 - 15% users used some sort of ad-blocking software.
The problem of ad blcoking in not with dedicated softwares that are designed to block ads from your site, but even new software like ZoneAlaram Pro, Norton Internet Security have ad blocking built in that means more people dont see ads (even affiliate text links are blocked) which is a primary source of income for some of us [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, how does the anti-download protection feature work? Is this some type of code you put on your site.
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About installating it, you need to install the script on your site, the code basically acts like a filter checking for ad blocking softwares.
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May 28th, 2002, 12:01 AM
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FWIW, I didn't think it was spam and thought it fit fine in this category -- which is kind of a catch-all. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>even affiliate text links are blocked<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Can you be specific about which software is blocking affiliate text links?
I haven't checked out the script (I have yet to delve into php or asp), but I think it's a faboo idea.
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May 28th, 2002, 02:02 AM
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Thanks
There are a lot of Ad blockers available some of the most popular are Ad-muncher (Which is free from admucher.com) adsubtract / pro, Naviscope.
These adblockers block almost all ads, and even affilite text links, my testing show that these blockers are blocking cj links, fineclicks links, directleads, ads/links from all popular ad/affiliate network.
I have found adsubtract/pro to be the most active one blocking almost all ads/affiliate links.
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May 28th, 2002, 02:16 AM
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Hi
It was late last night when I posted. Sorry I misunderstood your post. I thought it said popups. Apologies. I think anything that stops adds like banners and the likes is a good thing.
regards
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May 28th, 2002, 02:59 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>perfectG Hi
It was late last night when I posted. Sorry I misunderstood your post. I thought it said popups. Apologies. I think anything that stops adds like banners and the likes is a good thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No Problmes PerfectG, I am also to blame I just posted about Antiadbuster without addresss the ad blocking issue and without giving a proper background about the problem.
I too posted about this topic pretty late at night (It was 3:00 am) and didnt give a proper introduction!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Cedric FWIW, I didn't think it was spam and thought it fit fine in this category -- which is kind of a catch-all <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was browsing through other forums on this site and was looking at the parasite forum, dont you guys think that this topic should have been posted there, just my thoughts!
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May 28th, 2002, 08:39 AM
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funtoon,
The post belongs here.
However your thought of posting in the Parasiteware forum may be appropriate ...
Parasiteware shoves unwanted ads infront of the end user, and your offering will also shoove the unwanted ads infront of the end user ... the differance is that in your case the end user actually paid $29.95 for adsubtract, but yet your efforts are to thrawrt their paid opt-out of such. :eek:
No offense intended, but I think we, as responsible marketers, need to be a bit more customer centric.
Haiko
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May 28th, 2002, 08:43 AM
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Sorry,
Didn't want to start a flame, it's no big deal, but when I see a newbe make a post and it is about a product they are pushing it may have the appearance of a duck. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Actually, I wish you the best with what seems to be a promising product.
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May 28th, 2002, 09:09 AM
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Looks good (and free) funtoon [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Don't know if I'll run it myself - the AdBlockers aren't as bad as scumware like Gator though :mad:
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May 28th, 2002, 09:16 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No offense intended, but I think we, as responsible marketers, need to be a bit more customer centric.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And no offense intended here, but I don't care about the "customers" who are blocking ads. The freeloading nits can take a hike, IMO. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>These adblockers block almost all ads, and even affilite text links, my testing show that these blockers are blocking cj links, fineclicks links, directleads, ads/links from all popular ad/affiliate network.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If this is accurate, I think I should be learning PHP fairly soon.
funtoon, could you provide screenshots of how this happens on your web site (or is it already there and I missed it)?
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May 28th, 2002, 09:21 AM
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Dynamoo,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>the AdBlockers aren't as bad as scumware like Gator though <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree, but if an end user purchased a program to specifically block them, wouldn't this offering be "unethical" also?
IMHO it is!
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May 28th, 2002, 09:53 AM
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Remember everything you hate about abusive advertising (popup/unders and FLASH Ads) and spam reflects the same views by 286 million other surfers. The combination of Adblockers and cookie cutters eliminate our ability to monitize our traffic as the networks are well aware of since they help design the hijacker/parasites to get around some of these.
The real problem is the online Ad Industry and Ad brokers who thrived then died during the dot.com boom and bust. Add that to virus laden e-mail spams, Gator overlays, driveby spyware/adwarez and you can see how pure play advertising ebiz players are actually driving away consumers. Yahoo told me 14% of their audience has AdBlockers in place. Unlike TV... the surfer has complete control, even if the advertising scumlords try to take over their desktop and mouse.
As soon as all Freebees -incent deals -non- double opt-in e-mail marketing disappears the sooner we can make some money. This has to hurt many ABW members who basically feed this exodise to AdBlocker/cookie cutters by using these same abusive advertising ploys on stupid free hosting sites. Look at the list of company domains who are getting banned by large corporation email proggrams because the spamm 24/7 from inhouse servers. Many are merchants on the big 3 networks and their ggorrilla advertising ploys will be the downfall of us all.
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May 28th, 2002, 10:00 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Haiko,
Parasiteware shoves unwanted ads infront of the end user, and your offering will also shoove the unwanted ads infront of the end user ... the differance is that in your case the end user actually paid $29.95 for adsubtract, but yet your efforts are to thrawrt their paid opt-out of such.
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Haiko there are serveral ad blocker that are being distributed for free or being bundeled with other softwares (I dont want to list there name) admuncher is one of them.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Cedric quote:
funtoon, could you provide screenshots of how this happens on your web site (or is it already there and I missed it)?
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Hi Credric I thought the best screenshot of how these ad-blockers work would be the screen shot from this thread
<IMG SRC=http://www.phpbuddy.com/adbuster/screenshots/abw1.gif>
This is the screen shot of this thread before using any ad blockers on it, see the banner ad is being displayed normally
<IMG SRC=http://www.phpbuddy.com/adbuster/screenshots/abw2.gif>
Now This is the screenshot of the same page after ad blocker was switched on (I used the ad blocker ad-muncher its FREE!) Notice that there is no banner ad that was being displayed earlier!
There are more demos on the site www.antiadbuster.com
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May 28th, 2002, 10:09 AM
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Very few people have a clue about advertising online. It would make a huge difference in your income if you read
Scientific Advertising by Claude Hopkins and
a few other boks.
Basically, for an ad to register in your brain you have to see it at least 6 times.
This fact is why major marketers are all branding oriented. And it is also why banner advertising is important.
You will not get what you think are a good clickthru rate no matter what you do. Just like if you buy an ad in USA TODAY which goes to 2 million people, you will more than likely not get more than 200 replies.
The problem is 'excessive' expectations online. CocaCola spends over a billion dollars to keep their name in the spotlight of peoples imagination, even though everyone in the world knows who they are. Why? Because it is profitable.
The problems on the net are that it's made up of geeks who think life is FREE. $1 per thousand banner impressions is beyond the financial capability of 99% of all internet marketers, so they bad mouth the results.
1 million impressions for a $1,000 may or may not get you ONE sale, but it will get you
some traffic. Now, if advertiser A spends the $1k and you don't, in the end they will they will outsell you because of the impression factor.
Most major marketer's would kill to only have to spend $1 per person that visit their stores.
What is important is where your banners are shown. Banner ads work - but you have to be selective as to where you show them and where on your site you put them.
Another problem with geeks and banners is they try to sell with the banner. The banner is not a selling media, it's a purpose is to get people to click on it.
For example: FREE INFO: Learn how to buy XYZ wholesale, (or whatever) click here will get more people to click on it than all the fancy
graphics made by any ad agency.
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May 28th, 2002, 10:15 AM
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funtoon,
If you can differentiate between the paid ones and the free ones I'd support it. The problem is that if I plunked down $29.95 not to see a banner or pop up ... you better be darn sure I'd complain about seeing them! Who would I complain to? The web master/mistress and the manufacturer!
Now on to the commissionable links ... prove that to me and I'll get the FTC on the phone!
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Cedric,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't care about the "customers" who are blocking ads. The freeloading nits can take a hike, IMO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What happens here is BAD WILL against your site... If I paid for no ADS darn it ... I want NO ADS ... what makes you think that a consumer who has paid for this program will explore a site who has your script? I most certainly wouldn't!
Haiko
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May 28th, 2002, 10:31 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What happens here is BAD WILL against your site... If I paid for no ADS darn it ... I want NO ADS ... what makes you think that a consumer who has paid for this program will explore a site who has your script? I most certainly wouldn't!
Haiko
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Haiko I dont think we tell users to stop downloading ad blocking software, but as a webmaster I should have the right to stop people who are using ad blockers on my site, bcoz I dont get any revenue out of such users they are using my server resources for free! Antiadbuster allows the user to browse the site once he shuts down the ad blocker.
Just imagine your site imagine a user is using a ad blocker on your site he see on ads, even affiliate links! he is browsing you site ad-free (Means no revenue for you)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Haiko: If you can differentiate between the paid ones and the free ones I'd support it. The problem is that if I plunked down $29.95 not to see a banner or pop up ... you better be darn sure I'd complain about seeing them! Who would I complain to? The web master/mistress and the manufacturer!
Now on to the commissionable links ... prove that to me and I'll get the FTC on the phone!
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Hakio I dont think so we can go to FTC with the ad blocking problem as the user himself has downloaded the application to block the ads the only thing webmasters can do is protect there sites form ad blockers.
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May 28th, 2002, 10:35 AM
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sorry, I wasn't more specific, funtoon. I understand how the adblockers work for banners/pops, but what I don't get is how they work for text links. That's what I'd like to see proof of. TIA.
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May 28th, 2002, 10:40 AM
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Haiko, when I was running paid ads on my content site, I couldn't care less if I PO'd the people who wanted to use the site for free. The paid ads were the only way to keep the site live -- if the end-user didn't want to see ads, they could go somewhere else and get the info.
I would consider the script unethical ONLY if it disabled the software completely. If it disables it on my site only, that's the cost of visiting my site.
On my ecom site? If the adblockers do indeed block text ads, why do I care if the consumer gets PO'd? They're BAD customers that are only costing me money, not making me any. Good riddance.
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May 28th, 2002, 10:56 AM
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I downloaded that muncher program and saw ...
Obviously it removed the banner ads (and some images) but it also removed the text links (eg. click here), this is not good!
My interpretation of these programs, prior to, was that they "only" blocked popups and banners. I, now, see that the newer programs block just about every affiliate link and all banners / popups. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/sigh.gif>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>... why do I care if the consumer gets PO'd? They're BAD customers that are only costing me money, not making me any. Good riddance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
After seeing ... I agree and am all for the script! WTG!<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif>
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May 28th, 2002, 10:57 AM
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All that said -- I would prefer a script like the parasiteware detects that would allow me to detect the ad-blocking software and forward people to a page that says "sorry, this site stays live through profits from ads and until you disable your ad blocking software, you can't use this site."
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