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posted 03-04-2002 11:37 AM
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Ok,
Monday morning, 11:30 AM. Status update on promotion.

We have 12 ABW members that have taken up the 4% offer.

I'm stunned. I raise the commissions to what amounts to a 100% increase (from 2%) and only 12 ABW members sign up?

I don't understand. Maybe i'm missing something. I know Tiger has much more than 12 affiliates that are ABW members, hec I alone brought over 100 from my old Yahoo forum!

Give away money and give an opportunity and such a low response rate. Makes me wonder ......

Those of you that have signed up, you should have received a personal reply and confirmation by e-mail. You know who you are.

Good luck and good sales. Let me know if you need any help or advice,

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3 shipments sent, out of 202 click-throughs thus far. not bad. three sales that pay out less than eleven dollars. not so great. I'm trying andy. I got your links up, and trying to get the traffic.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Big Chuck:
3 shipments sent, out of 202 click-throughs thus far. not bad. three sales that pay out less than eleven dollars. not so great. I'm trying andy. I got your links up, and trying to get the traffic.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BC,

Send me a private e-mail with your URL. I will work with you or anyone to optimize and target your offering to your visitors. let me help you make money.

Also, if you have not notified me by e-mail, you ares till at the tiered level, because i have no way of knowing who you are.

Send me your site or affiliate ID so i can bump you up.

Cheers,
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Andy,

Welcome to realty.. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] I have you up an will be doing a promo today or tomorrow.

People aren't taking you up on your offer for a couple of reasons, I think.

1. You are on BeScrewed and they have been burned more times than the a visitor to hell by BeScrewed merchants.

Result - no go.

2. You have to make $50 to get paid. Not a real big deal but considering that thousands of people who got the shaft from BeScrewed and Snare or their merchants who either dropped them just before they made the grade or skipped without paying, they are not about to give the benefit of the doubt to any BeScrewed or Snare merchants.

Result - nope, not again.

3. Inertia - People always are slow to act - just keep clubbing them in the head and they will eventually get it.

What's the deal on single product pages with just a couple of links - 1 to the order form and 1 to the main page. Can we get some.

I think I could sell stuff by the bushel baskets (samll baskets) if we could have individual model pages for stuff.
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Andy,

I will contact you in a few to join. I have a quick question though... How long does it take for a sale to show up in my stats?

Thanks,

Core
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Professor:
Andy,

People aren't taking you up on your offer for a couple of reasons, I think.

1. You are on BeScrewed and they have been burned more times than the a visitor to hell by BeScrewed merchants.

2. You have to make $50 to get paid. Not a real big deal but considering that thousands of people who got the shaft from BeScrewed and Snare or their merchants who either dropped them just before they made the grade or skipped without paying, they are not about to give the benefit of the doubt to any BeScrewed or Snare merchants.

Result - nope, not again.

3. Inertia - People always are slow to act - just keep clubbing them in the head and they will eventually get it.

What's the deal on single product pages with just a couple of links - 1 to the order form and 1 to the main page. Can we get some.

I think I could sell stuff by the bushel baskets (samll baskets) if we could have individual model pages for stuff.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Core:
Andy,

I will contact you in a few to join. I have a quick question though... How long does it take for a sale to show up in my stats?

Thanks,

Core
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Core,

A sales shows up on your interface 24 hours after BF picks up that shiped item's sourcecode containing your affiliate ID.

So, a sale will only show once the product has been shipped.

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I'll add some more links to my site, but I'm not getting squat for interest yet.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elbowcreek:
I'll add some more links to my site, but I'm not getting squat for interest yet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All,

If i don't get your e-mail, i can't bump you up because i have no idea of who you are. Don't tell me at the end of the month that you want the 4%. Read the rules !!! I have received 4 e-mails today, 3 of them without any ABW number and/or URL or affiliate site ID.

If i don't know how to trace you back to BF, i can't pay you the 4% at th eend of the month.

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Whats the use -
Over 400 users of computer products sent to your site, ( no sales in 2 weeks ) I am Still at 42.00 and change, what could is 4% if I can't get 2% to work.
Thanks for the offer though. But you can have my vote to lower the max to 25.00
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Hi Andy! I am not involved with your program because it just does not fit my site or the one I am working on. (plus I would have a hard time thinking up intelligent things to say about PC stuff since I am totally not a tech person - lol)

But I do give you credit for being involved and it does look like you care about your affiliates!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>am I in my right mindset by not promoting this?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heyder, I'm in the same mindset so either we are both missing something or 4% just isn't worth the trouble.

Sorry Andy. I did join your program and even purchased a few domain names that could have fit your product line. However, when the search term "computer memory" produces 2,310,000 results on Google and fetches over $2.00 a click for the top spot in Overture, I have one word for your industry;

SATURATION.

I have no doubt that members such as Heyder and I could make money with your program if we had high-profile sites that specialized in computer components. But even with a great site, there is still too much competition out there to get really decent listings and to make a killing when the payout is only 4%. After taxes, that's less than three cents on the dollar.

Sorry.

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Hi!

I sent a hundred people looking for computer bargains and made a whole 30c. I'd put more work in if 1) I was confident that the specific product they want would be there and I could seperate out the traffic 2) the commission was 7%.

I make 7% on memory from Crucial. What I do not need is Tigerdirect grabbing this traffic. I could pay a lot of money promoting TD for the privilege of losing a substantial income from Crucial.

Then theres the catalogs and the 0800 number and the 2-4% and there comes a point where no matter how much you like someone, and what a nice guy he is, you have to put your business first.

Theres no point pointing out this level of commission is standard. I know it is, but my present level of committment is also standard at these percentages!

Yes I could bust my ass getting you 100 000 uniques a day/week/month, but I could bust my ass sending that same amount to a cosmetics merchant at 10% and no amount of psychological pressure is going to change the maths.


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>no amount of psychological pressure is going to change the maths.
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Sorry Andy. Icicle is right. Everyone here has nothing but good words to say about you as a person. But money talks... It's not personal, it's business.
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Here's Reality.

The computer business is a COMMODITY business. It is not a VALUE ADDED business.
The guy with the combination lowest price and best service wins the game.

The problem is the guys in the computer business haven't got out of denial that this fact is how things really are, YET.

As a result paying 10% to affiliates is NON competitive. So Andy is stuck between the reality trip and the fantasy of he's got something other people do not and trying to make 2+2 = 5.

He really cannot pay more than say 5% to affiliates - but he could pay a flat fee per order of $1 or $2 or $5 plus 3%.

Acquiring customers costs money. The problem with CPA is that in this model affiliates are expected to pay the freight.

And that is why CPA will not work in the long run except in high margin businesses. IT WILL NOT WORK IN COMMODITIZED BUSINESSES.

Amazon finally made a profit but they had to pay many millions in 'customer acquisition' fees in the previous three years. When their customer base reached a certain scale thay did away with the fees and it was only on re-orders that they made this small profit.

This 'commodity' biz fact is why I am a big CPC fan. As a merchant you know the cost of every eyeball to view your site or offer - you get a cookie set and you get the chance to capture the peoples who view the offers email. And IF you are good at selling you sell.

CPA merchants are dumber than red bricks to think anyone will continue sending them traffic for FREE for long. If Andy really wanted to make more sales he'd lower his payout threshold to $10 per month, throw in a $1 per order acquisition fee plus pay the sliding scale he has.


He and all the other merchants miss the point, which is - affiliates only have so much time and money to promote their businesses and they are going to promote only the ones that PAY. They are not going to substitute merchants or time spent unless they are not making money.

No way I'm spending more than an hour a month on Tiger stuff for 4% of 'maybe,' when I can get 55% off the sale of an E-book that cost $20 and sells 1 or more every day and has for months.

I sent Andy 22,000 viewers and made $76. I sent the E-Book guy 22,000 and made $770.
Same traffic but 10 x more in my pocket.

Which would you promote?
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Andy,
I have had so many issues with BeFree Merchants as somebody else pointed out in an earlier post. We are a webhosting company dealing with webmasters and business owners...unfortunately, I will not get stiffed by another merchant at BeFree. once they have a consolidated payment between merchants, then I 'may' consider it.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Professor:
Here's Reality.

I sent Andy 22,000 viewers and made $76. I sent the E-Book guy 22,000 and made $770.
Same traffic but 10 x more in my pocket.

Which would you promote?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fred,

The reality is that targeted traffic is different than Freebie traffic. Look at the 24 examples below. This is February data:

Affiliate ID Imp. CTR's Shipped Sales Returned Sales Net Shipped Sales Affiliate Earnings
385175xx 479929 51338 $11,711.85 $510.93 $11,200.92 $256.32
333333xx 0 18097 $114,213.92 $4,026.87 $110,187.05 $4,407.48
316904xx 0 11836 $54,079.93 $4,343.46 $49,736.47 $1,989.46
390511xx 433 9896 $37,927.40 $351.65 $37,575.75 $769.71
392636xx 493434 8912 $2,212.91 $0.00 $2,212.91 $44.26
294077xx 0 7914 $16,711.26 $919.88 $15,791.38 $509.39
392777xx 21746 6692 $7,894.40 $0.00 $7,894.40 $157.89
391873xx 241185 6364 $149.99 $0.00 $149.99 $4.50
392598xx 50246 5207 $2,194.91 $0.00 $2,194.91 $43.90
343088xx 0 3170 $58,463.21 $1,971.31 $56,491.90 $2,259.68
375502xx 2471 3141 $6,752.76 $1,727.90 $5,024.86 $200.99
391740xx 0 3104 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
379308xx 0 2751 $8,845.59 $208.23 $8,637.36 $194.38
376207xx 38252 2695 $4,690.18 $0.00 $4,690.18 $140.71
337105xx 4930 2687 $14,065.81 $447.98 $13,617.83 $544.71
294806xx 693 2556 $5,798.34 $620.73 $5,177.61 $207.10
385143xx 80970 2321 $19,684.49 $459.30 $19,225.19 $431.37
329492xx 32171 2198 $2,447.47 $0.00 $2,447.47 $97.90
333512xx 140844 1965 $1,844.89 $0.00 $1,844.89 $73.80
374687xx 4547 1718 $6,957.75 $0.00 $6,957.75 $278.31
325455xx 50958 1596 $2,946.35 $0.00 $2,946.35 $117.85
382203xx 126323 1557 $6,587.27 $399.98 $6,187.29 $148.41
369845xx 795 1511 $4,060.16 $59.99 $4,000.17 $160.01
291425xx 799 1505 $2,740.29 $86.99 $2,653.30 $106.13

1) Affiliate #2 with 18,097 CTR's, sold $ 110,187.05 worth of Tiger product sand made $4,407.48. That IS targeted traffic Fred.

2) Affiliate #1 51,338 CTR's only sold $11,200 and made $ 256.32. That is UNTARGETED traffic.

3) Affiliate #10, 3,170 CTR's and $56,491 in sales earned him/her a whopping $2,259.00. This affiliate is knows how to target and spin ad copy.

See my point. You mislead people when you state your numbers, claiming you sent me 22,000 people and made $70.00 bucks. Well, who and what type of CTR's did you send me Fred? Numbers don't lie.

Mike, at Ecomcity, sent me 1,965 CTr's and he even made more that you. He made $73.80 this month. You sent me 22,000 CTR's and made $70.00 !! What does that tell me about your traffic Fred?

C'mon. This is text book. Fred, I like you, you seem to have been through a few schools. But boy did you flink out of logic. You ace'd BS school, no doubt about that.

Don't deceive people with your numbers and don't put Tiger in the dark light.

Folks, we convert. We sell a ton of product. We have the best deals. period.

Now do you have the site or type of traffic to make money with Tiger? I can't answer that. I can look at your website, work with you one on one and try and make us both some money, but if you don't try, you will never know will you?

Ask Dhell, here at ABW, one month with Tiger and he already broke his $50.00 mark and is getting a check this month, more than $50.00.

Like him I have many others that arent even on ABW yet. This is not easy work, i know that. But if you don't try and work at it, it won't happen.

The elevator to success is broken, you have to take one step at a time.

Look at the actual real numbers above, if you feel that you want to give us a shot, not judge by past experiences whatever, if you want to work with me one on one i'm available and willing. That's all i can do.

Continued success,
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TH Media:
Andy,
I have had so many issues with BeFree Merchants as somebody else pointed out in an earlier post. We are a webhosting company dealing with webmasters and business owners...unfortunately, I will not get stiffed by another merchant at BeFree. once they have a consolidated payment between merchants, then I 'may' consider it.
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TH,

I understand. Understand me though, I wont stiff you. Ask ANYONE on this board or elsewere if they have been stiffed by TigerDirect.

Before August last year we did have some tracking/BF/interface issues. I worked 3 months at resolving and paying out any verified sales.

Today, I can stand here and proudly say that nobody in our affiliate network gets stiffed and that their sales are tracked 100%

I understand and respect your position with BF, however I work with affiliate and work with BF to get issues resolved.

Cheers,
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Andy,
Thanks for the reply...I will reconsider using TigerDirect...I know all merchants are different, but BeFree left a really bad taste in my mouth...I will reconsider because I truly do think your program would do pretty decent based on our site.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TH Media:
Andy,
Thanks for the reply...I will reconsider using TigerDirect...I know all merchants are different, but BeFree left a really bad taste in my mouth...I will reconsider because I truly do think your program would do pretty decent based on our site.

Tom Pyles
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Tom,

Cogni has nothing on Tiger! I proved it to another affiliate that were directing their traffic to Cogni. During the first month we beat their previous by earnings 76% !!

Give me a month, then well compare numbers. Fair? Set me up in your homepage computer redirect and sit back. Direct to our homepage, no product links. We'll talk weekly and tweak.

To your success,
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Andy,
We'll give it a shot...In all honesty, I don't push the cogni computer stuff that much. I am selecting different services they offer and setting up sections for that. The links directly to cog will be removed as each section is set up...No chance you guys offer any branding is there?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TH Media:
Andy,
We'll give it a shot...In all honesty, I don't push the cogni computer stuff that much. I am selecting different services they offer and setting up sections for that. The links directly to cog will be removed as each section is set up...No chance you guys offer any branding is there?
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Tim, call me or IM me. My contact info is below.
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I will shoot an e-mail off to you this evening...I'm out of my office right now...I'll send something off when I get back...


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Andy,

Traffic is traffic. Sure the guy with targeted traffic will out perform me every time. But NOT all traffic is targeted.

If I could send anyone 22,000 in specifically targeted traffic it would be for my TravelCard program where I am the merchant.

I understand your position but it dosen't fly. Your 25th best affiliate made only $90 in February. Not very impressive.

The point you miss is that your program is just one of many I promote.

Market research from all over points out that over 80% of people need to see an offer 4 to 5 before they buy.

So targeted traffic means nothing. My 22,000 visitors didn't buy but neither did 95% or of the targeted traffic.

Less than 1% of people buy on the first visit. So we know you are not going to sell a whole lot on the first visit from my 22,000 but you at least have the chance to capture their email addresses and they see the offer and bookmark it. And I might make some money from the cookies we set.

If I knew where to get targeted traffic that
makes a profit from your site I'd send all I could to you.

But just because you have an affiliate making $4,000 dosen't mean they made a profit from promoting your site.

So I'll keep sending you the traffic I can and some of it will be NON-targeted because I make more money sending traffic to other places where I am assured of making a profit.
Not just a check.
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Febuary was not a good month for me since some of my computer pages got unranked in the SE's. Hopefully this has been cured and 578 clicks this month to TD has yielded 53.40 in commission. Guessss that's over 9 cents a click so I can't complain and hope to get that to over 12 cents a click now Andy has the individual product links going to alternate choices within that category if out of stock. Cashed the check for 204.00 made in January and played Blackjack with it at the local casino. Walked out with 805.00 ssso this affiliate stuff works if your lucky.
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