LinkShare and WhenU - Page 3

kickaha · #51 February 3rd, 2003, 08:54 PM

Was that an obtuse reference to Saturday Night Live's segment bearing the same name or do you know Don more personally then I do?

-wayne

flamingoworld · #52 February 3rd, 2003, 08:54 PM

There you go using big words again Wayne. Now I have to hit the dictionary...
You teach me so much....

Connie Berg
www.flamingoworld.com

josephmonuit · #53 February 3rd, 2003, 09:09 PM

Wayne uses these words to impress us but writes beauties like: So as it stands LS has given WhenU a warning- if you don't sign our addendum we are going to kick out off the network.

Then again it's not like they have much choice other then to drop their relationships with networks. ....

I think he has the dictionary there as well .. looking for the next obscure word or phrase to woo us with...

I know, I know, probably typo's...

BTW, I use Mike's site as an example of "If this site can make money ... "

www.dictionary.com here I come...

----
-J
Merchants: Do you realize that some of your affiliates are being paid commission on sales which you have paid for via PPC, offline advertising, and your targeted mailings?

kickaha · #54 February 3rd, 2003, 10:29 PM

Joseph,

Maybe I should dumb down my diction (like the alliteration?) for the benefit of a few. Then again perhaps there are reasons for my word choice.

You can always just call me on the phone (or I can call you just e-mail me to setup a time) and you will discover, like others that actually know me, that I speak as a I write. Lame ad hominem attacks are beneath the newer, nicer Joseph and should be left to frothing zealots like Don.

Connie- the terms above are fencing terms. An old hobby of I mine I hope to revive this spring. In this case the fencing analogy carried the more subtle textures I wanted to paint. The same technique was often used by one of my favorite authors, Roger Zelazny, although I don't do him justice.

I also thought it was more in the spirit of your three-musketeers post.

regards and g'nite
Wayne

Wayne Porter
V.P. Product Development
AffTrack LLC.
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josephmonuit · #55 February 4th, 2003, 05:25 AM

Wayne,
I'll give a call a bit later, still looking up all these words.

----
-J
Merchants: Do you realize that some of your affiliates are being paid commission on sales which you have paid for via PPC, offline advertising, and your targeted mailings?

obstinatedon · #56 February 4th, 2003, 05:35 AM

Joseph....

Don't bother looking up Wayne's rather eclectic version of the English language. One could easily become frustrated attempting to decipher some of his more, shall we say - esoteric verbiage.

On a more pointed front, make sure to call or write the CEOs of the LinkShare merchants to congratulate them concerning their decision to drop WhenU.

Obstinatedon

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Mahatma Gandhi

Jaloppy · #57 February 4th, 2003, 06:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Smacie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>It is kind of a "point - counterpoint".
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don, you ignorant slut!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoa, 80's flashback.

IamJaloppy

mrmerchant · #58 February 4th, 2003, 08:49 AM

1) I will let others judge your words - all of them on this thread.

2) Your words speak volumes to your true fear-based motives

Rock on, dude.

obstinatedon · #59 February 4th, 2003, 09:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>1) I will let others judge your words - all of them on this thread.

2) Your words speak volumes to your true fear-based motives<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hate to have to repeat myself, but in this case it is fully justified; if for no other reason than to help a friend in need.

"Jeff, you've got to stop drinking during the day."

Obstinatedon

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Mahatma Gandhi

ecomcity · #60 February 4th, 2003, 09:45 AM

Jeff is a misguided realist, even if slightly off in his marketing efforts. OBdon sees the holes in his ebiz plans and rather than see a buddy go head long over the cliff in a drunken stupor he wants to grab his car keys. Jeff probably has bought into the whole BHO 'name of the game" spin as the savior of the affiliate industry. Don sees that only hard creative work on the part of the AM's and true domain affiliates will add creditability to the networks.

One wants immediate shortcuts to the merchants Ad budgets saying the hell with real ROI the figures are phoney anyhow. The other says the merchants are soon going to wake up and see paying Dupers extra cash from profits for doing traffic trickery is going to impload real soon.

Charlie ...

If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..

obstinatedon · #61 February 4th, 2003, 10:12 AM

Nah Mike...

In actuality, you have Jeff all wrong. In an article published some time ago, and written by none other than J.M., the opening sentence spells it all out in black and white. That sentence is in quotes below:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Affiliate marketing is old hat and limits an online marketer's true potential<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where you are wrong is the fact that Jeff, in his consulting business, does indeed take the merchant's ROI into account. As a matter of fact, he believes (and rightly so in many cases), that he looks at their ROI better than they themselves are capable of doing.

Obstinatedon

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Mahatma Gandhi

mrmerchant · #62 February 4th, 2003, 10:38 AM

Indeed, Don... I shall fall victim to your shameless baiting. (btw, thanks, Connie, for your kind words - I'm glad we rank high on your infotainment scale!)

Those of you who may wish to read more can find the article in full context here:

http://www.iirusa.com/index.cfm/Link=238

For those of you seeking a quick summary, here is the closing bit:

"Is affiliate marketing evil or not worth the effort? Hardly but marketers must dedicate skilled resources to such programs – culling affiliates and actively merchandising through the channel – to boost ROI. Number of affiliates and whiz-bang technology means nothing. Think qualitatively, not quantitatively and zero in on Web properties that drive transactions. Dedicating and focusing resources does work – as evidenced by those success stories we occasionally hear at conferences wherein 20 percent of a marketer’s total sales are generated through performance marketing."

flamingoworld · #63 February 4th, 2003, 12:50 PM

Jeff, In many ways I agree with your article.

"As a group, online marketers generally have not mustered adequate human resources to grow and properly manage affiliate relationships."

So many times I do not have a contact person for a program, I really don't think there is anyone there! Or the affiliate managers that are there are low paid and don't have any real control or authority over their programs. They are just figure heads to take in the emails from affiliates or to take the flak when the program isn't working.
If merchants want to have a successful moneymaking affiliate program they need to have a dedicated person who intereacts with affiliates and can actually have some control over the program.
In my many years, I have seen many great merchants fail at affiliate marketing because they put no effort into it.

Connie Berg
www.flamingoworld.com

happypoon · #64 February 4th, 2003, 01:15 PM

I'm very confused. The way I see the Linkshare addendum is that is clearly states no automatic overwrting of links but that the BHO can pop up and if the user selects the diversion it is acceptable. I always said the change becomes diversion of users and forcing them to click on OK rather than just a quick notice with auto direct and the user not clicking on the OK button. I'm confused because if this is the correct interpretation, it seems to me that WhenU is in compliance (unless they overwrite the cookie regardless when the popup is displayed) - Is this why they are not in compiance?.

Someone please clarify this and think twice before you applaud it. If what I say is correct, all whenU would have to do is change the code to overwrite the cookie after the user clicks on OK. Personally I don't see this as a big improvement I'm ready to start applauding.

Is it better sure - some users will close the browser but the fact would remain they are still poping up on my site and instead of automatically diverting, they just "divert the user".

If this is the case, Wayne will be able to laugh once agin in the future at affiliates and their stance towards linkshares addendum.

Oct / Nov - Everybody hates Linkshare
Feb - everybody loves linkshare
? - Changes impelemnted by parasites and affiliates see the real addendum - everybody hates linkshare.

I'm think I'm with Wayne on this one (at least in regards to affiliates bouncing opinions).

I do applaud linkshare for taking a stance and for enforcement of their addendum but - as has been pointed out time after time - they have dragged their feet on this issue, so as usual.... I remain skeptical and still feel the end result will not be what I'm lookng for.

In one more week we'll see how the others and the COC come to bear with enforcement and be able to once again complain and get nothng accomplished!

addendum
Write this one down....

I applaud linkshare if the statement is true which I trust it is given the information.

However, I think some people are being suckered in as I don't fully expect "their agreement really holds what affiliateds want" which is No diversion

Right now I see the parasites in a mid state game waiting for full changes in their software to be implemented and then when they are Wayne can laugh again at everyone applauding this move when we were all not to long ago condemning their proposal.

The way I interpret the linkshare addendum is that - Ebates or whoever can not automatically redirect a user but

obstinatedon · #65 February 4th, 2003, 04:27 PM

Andy...

What the heck are you talking about. The LinkShare addendum goes much farther than, "...Ebates or whoever can not automatically redirect a user but..."

Let me ask you a pointed question on a public board just so that there is no misunderstanding. Do you really believe what you just wrote; or, are you upset that folks you have talked to are not interested as of yet in your concept as it applies to the death of small to medium sized affiliates?

Frankly pal, as you and I discussed on the phone at one time, I believe the mid-tier to be a substantially growing group, not one directly on its way to a horrible demise. The fact that you believe the "parasites" will eventually toss the networks and dominate is proof enough that you really know little of the dynamic as it applies to what is really happening.

Let me assure you that this is a positive move for the majority of the affiliate populace; although not necessarily for LinkShare itself. Hell man, they could reasonably be on the losing end of this stick - not the winning.

While I do indeed appreciate the concern you have expressed throughout this entire war (I don't know what else to call it), I think you might want to take a step back for a moment and think about common interests that you might have with the networks (yes, all of them), as opposed to betting on the negative.

Just my opinion...

Obstinatedon

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Mahatma Gandhi

obstinatedon · #66 February 4th, 2003, 04:33 PM

Hi Connie...

You are more right about your assessment of affiliate programs, and the lack of attention management of various firms give them than you know.

There are network providers out there who STILL say that a program can be run by a part-time affiliate manager who utilizes as little as two-three hours per day actually working the program.

If one wants to succeed, that is total bunk - period.

Obstinatedon

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Mahatma Gandhi

happypoon · #67 February 4th, 2003, 05:00 PM

LOL

As usual I screwed up my posts. One of these days I'll just shut up all together - getting close which will be to many who will be glad.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
I think you might want to take a step back for a moment and think about common interests that you might have with the networks (yes, all of them), as opposed to betting on the negative.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don, I thought thats what I was honestly doing. I started off the thread saying I was confused and asked for clarification.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Do you really believe what you just wrote; or, are you upset that folks you have talked to are not interested as of yet in your concept as it applies to the death of small to medium sized affiliates?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

(I cant resist to post this as you would) - Again PAL, LOL I asked for clarifaction. I love reading your posts where you use that word because those are usually great or funny or both.

Don I have other interests and I'm weary of fighting the parasites, networks and shady merchants. Do I think the trend will continue and more and more affiliates have a hard time making money in affiliate maketing? Yes - those are my thoughts but I've been wrong many many times in the past. My posts here stand for themselves - many have been wrong - but many more have been right on call.

The issue I want to bring forward was a simple one - any clarification on whenu overwriting the link prior to the popup regarding compliance or "a misinterpreation by me of the linkshare addendum" would be greatly appreciated.

obstinatedon · #68 February 4th, 2003, 05:13 PM

LOL! Thanks for the response Happypoon...

By the way, I never use the word "pal" without justification. I just happen to like the people with whom I use it - that's all.

Pal is a late 17th century word from the Turkish Romany, meaning mate. The folks from Australia here will understand that not all "mates" are married or of different sexes -

. In the United States, we bastardized the term in the 1930's to the informal phrase, "palsy-walsy", as a noun denoting in the sense - friend.

If I amuse you when I use the term, good. I use it frequently, and always to one whom I like.

As for your clarification of something that is not easily comprehended unless one happens to be a lawyer, I shall leave it to LinkShare to do it for you.

Obstinatedon

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Mahatma Gandhi

cazzie · #69 February 10th, 2003, 07:58 AM

Anything new on when the announcement will come? Or do we have to wait until the 30 days expire?
Cazzie

morpheus3000 · #70 February 10th, 2003, 05:47 PM

Linkshare and supporters are just a propaganda machine.

They instituted their Terms and Agreement in Feb 2002 but started making __exceptions__ to their own rules with the Addendum. Read the fine print of the Feb 2002 T&A.

Compliance? As long as they get their money out of the Merchants and their $1 check writing fee.

obstinatedon · #71 February 10th, 2003, 05:55 PM

Nice drive-by Morpheus.

I have seen this same sentiment raised time and again by those without a single clue. As a matter of fact, in a couple cases they actually utilized the same phraseology.

Perhaps you might want to change your name to metamorphosis, or simply to morph, or - just back to what you were when you first joined ABW some time ago. But, that would be telling, wouldn't it?

Obstinatedon

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Mahatma Gandhi

morpheus3000 · #72 February 11th, 2003, 04:43 PM

Obstinatedon: What part of this document is not clear? Linkshare wrote it in Feb 2002, everyone (by way of default) agreed to it. Since you haven't worked at Linkshare for awhile, *you're* the one without a clue. It's odvious to anyone looking at the history of this hijacking dispute that Linkshare is making exceptions to clearly stated rules.

6.5. You agree that You shall not:
Place or use any Link of any Network Merchant except with the intention of delivering valid sales, leads, applications, accounts, clicks or other specified compensable actions to that Network Merchant;

Distribute or display, or authorize or use any third party to distribute or display, any Qualifying Link or any other Link of any Network Merchant created or obtained through the Network by means of any browser extension or other software or technology which is downloaded to or installed on the Web user's personal computer or other Web access device and which serves advertisements, promotional material or links as an overlay upon, a substitute for content in, as a "pop-up" keyed by content or key words on a Webpage requested or viewed by such Web user;

ecomcity · #73 February 11th, 2003, 07:14 PM

Hey Morph ...how many millions has Linkshare paid out to violators of the TOS adendium since Feb. 2002? I do know that money belonged to their normal affiliates or were derived by design from non-commissionable links paid for by merchants...ie e-mails -SE's and PPCSE keywords.

Charlie ...

If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..

morpheus3000 · #74 February 12th, 2003, 10:12 AM

http://www.linkshare.com/affiliates/...iate_cover.gif

ecomcity · #75 February 12th, 2003, 10:26 AM

You need to add to the image ...NO QUESTIONS ASKED!

Charlie ...

If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..

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#51 February 3rd, 2003, 08:54 PM
kickaha ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 817	Was that an obtuse reference to Saturday Night Live's segment bearing the same name or do you know Don more personally then I do? -wayne

#52 February 3rd, 2003, 08:54 PM
flamingoworld ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 18th, 2005 Posts: 5,199	There you go using big words again Wayne. Now I have to hit the dictionary... You teach me so much.... Connie Berg www.flamingoworld.com

#53 February 3rd, 2003, 09:09 PM
josephmonuit ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 1,916	Wayne uses these words to impress us but writes beauties like: So as it stands LS has given WhenU a warning- if you don't sign our addendum we are going to kick out off the network. Then again it's not like they have much choice other then to drop their relationships with networks. .... I think he has the dictionary there as well .. looking for the next obscure word or phrase to woo us with... I know, I know, probably typo's... BTW, I use Mike's site as an example of "If this site can make money ... " www.dictionary.com here I come... ---- -J Merchants: Do you realize that some of your affiliates are being paid commission on sales which you have paid for via PPC, offline advertising, and your targeted mailings?

#54 February 3rd, 2003, 10:29 PM
kickaha ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 817	Joseph, Maybe I should dumb down my diction (like the alliteration?) for the benefit of a few. Then again perhaps there are reasons for my word choice. You can always just call me on the phone (or I can call you just e-mail me to setup a time) and you will discover, like others that actually know me, that I speak as a I write. Lame ad hominem attacks are beneath the newer, nicer Joseph and should be left to frothing zealots like Don. Connie- the terms above are fencing terms. An old hobby of I mine I hope to revive this spring. In this case the fencing analogy carried the more subtle textures I wanted to paint. The same technique was often used by one of my favorite authors, Roger Zelazny, although I don't do him justice. I also thought it was more in the spirit of your three-musketeers post. regards and g'nite Wayne Wayne Porter V.P. Product Development AffTrack LLC. http://www.afftrack.com http://www.revtrends.com Get a free two-week trial use code ABWEB at RevTrends.com

#55 February 4th, 2003, 05:25 AM
josephmonuit ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 1,916	Wayne, I'll give a call a bit later, still looking up all these words. ---- -J Merchants: Do you realize that some of your affiliates are being paid commission on sales which you have paid for via PPC, offline advertising, and your targeted mailings?

#56 February 4th, 2003, 05:35 AM
obstinatedon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 690	Joseph.... Don't bother looking up Wayne's rather eclectic version of the English language. One could easily become frustrated attempting to decipher some of his more, shall we say - esoteric verbiage. On a more pointed front, make sure to call or write the CEOs of the LinkShare merchants to congratulate them concerning their decision to drop WhenU. Obstinatedon You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Mahatma Gandhi

#57 February 4th, 2003, 06:15 AM
Jaloppy ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 600	<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smacie: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It is kind of a "point - counterpoint". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Don, you ignorant slut!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Whoa, 80's flashback. IamJaloppy

#58 February 4th, 2003, 08:49 AM
mrmerchant Full Member Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 140	1) I will let others judge your words - all of them on this thread. 2) Your words speak volumes to your true fear-based motives Rock on, dude.

#59 February 4th, 2003, 09:06 AM
obstinatedon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 690	<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>1) I will let others judge your words - all of them on this thread. 2) Your words speak volumes to your true fear-based motives<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I hate to have to repeat myself, but in this case it is fully justified; if for no other reason than to help a friend in need. "Jeff, you've got to stop drinking during the day." Obstinatedon You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Mahatma Gandhi

#60 February 4th, 2003, 09:45 AM
ecomcity 2005 Linkshare Golden Link Award Winner Join Date: January 18th, 2005 Location: St Clair Shores MI. Posts: 17,396	Jeff is a misguided realist, even if slightly off in his marketing efforts. OBdon sees the holes in his ebiz plans and rather than see a buddy go head long over the cliff in a drunken stupor he wants to grab his car keys. Jeff probably has bought into the whole BHO 'name of the game" spin as the savior of the affiliate industry. Don sees that only hard creative work on the part of the AM's and true domain affiliates will add creditability to the networks. One wants immediate shortcuts to the merchants Ad budgets saying the hell with real ROI the figures are phoney anyhow. The other says the merchants are soon going to wake up and see paying Dupers extra cash from profits for doing traffic trickery is going to impload real soon. Charlie ... If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..

#61 February 4th, 2003, 10:12 AM
obstinatedon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 690	Nah Mike... In actuality, you have Jeff all wrong. In an article published some time ago, and written by none other than J.M., the opening sentence spells it all out in black and white. That sentence is in quotes below: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Affiliate marketing is old hat and limits an online marketer's true potential<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Where you are wrong is the fact that Jeff, in his consulting business, does indeed take the merchant's ROI into account. As a matter of fact, he believes (and rightly so in many cases), that he looks at their ROI better than they themselves are capable of doing. Obstinatedon You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Mahatma Gandhi

#62 February 4th, 2003, 10:38 AM
mrmerchant Full Member Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 140	Indeed, Don... I shall fall victim to your shameless baiting. (btw, thanks, Connie, for your kind words - I'm glad we rank high on your infotainment scale!) Those of you who may wish to read more can find the article in full context here: http://www.iirusa.com/index.cfm/Link=238 For those of you seeking a quick summary, here is the closing bit: "Is affiliate marketing evil or not worth the effort? Hardly but marketers must dedicate skilled resources to such programs – culling affiliates and actively merchandising through the channel – to boost ROI. Number of affiliates and whiz-bang technology means nothing. Think qualitatively, not quantitatively and zero in on Web properties that drive transactions. Dedicating and focusing resources does work – as evidenced by those success stories we occasionally hear at conferences wherein 20 percent of a marketer’s total sales are generated through performance marketing."

#63 February 4th, 2003, 12:50 PM
flamingoworld ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 18th, 2005 Posts: 5,199	Jeff, In many ways I agree with your article. "As a group, online marketers generally have not mustered adequate human resources to grow and properly manage affiliate relationships." So many times I do not have a contact person for a program, I really don't think there is anyone there! Or the affiliate managers that are there are low paid and don't have any real control or authority over their programs. They are just figure heads to take in the emails from affiliates or to take the flak when the program isn't working. If merchants want to have a successful moneymaking affiliate program they need to have a dedicated person who intereacts with affiliates and can actually have some control over the program. In my many years, I have seen many great merchants fail at affiliate marketing because they put no effort into it. Connie Berg www.flamingoworld.com

#64 February 4th, 2003, 01:15 PM
happypoon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 2,435	I'm very confused. The way I see the Linkshare addendum is that is clearly states no automatic overwrting of links but that the BHO can pop up and if the user selects the diversion it is acceptable. I always said the change becomes diversion of users and forcing them to click on OK rather than just a quick notice with auto direct and the user not clicking on the OK button. I'm confused because if this is the correct interpretation, it seems to me that WhenU is in compliance (unless they overwrite the cookie regardless when the popup is displayed) - Is this why they are not in compiance?. Someone please clarify this and think twice before you applaud it. If what I say is correct, all whenU would have to do is change the code to overwrite the cookie after the user clicks on OK. Personally I don't see this as a big improvement I'm ready to start applauding. Is it better sure - some users will close the browser but the fact would remain they are still poping up on my site and instead of automatically diverting, they just "divert the user". If this is the case, Wayne will be able to laugh once agin in the future at affiliates and their stance towards linkshares addendum. Oct / Nov - Everybody hates Linkshare Feb - everybody loves linkshare ? - Changes impelemnted by parasites and affiliates see the real addendum - everybody hates linkshare. I'm think I'm with Wayne on this one (at least in regards to affiliates bouncing opinions). I do applaud linkshare for taking a stance and for enforcement of their addendum but - as has been pointed out time after time - they have dragged their feet on this issue, so as usual.... I remain skeptical and still feel the end result will not be what I'm lookng for. In one more week we'll see how the others and the COC come to bear with enforcement and be able to once again complain and get nothng accomplished! addendum Write this one down.... I applaud linkshare if the statement is true which I trust it is given the information. However, I think some people are being suckered in as I don't fully expect "their agreement really holds what affiliateds want" which is No diversion Right now I see the parasites in a mid state game waiting for full changes in their software to be implemented and then when they are Wayne can laugh again at everyone applauding this move when we were all not to long ago condemning their proposal. The way I interpret the linkshare addendum is that - Ebates or whoever can not automatically redirect a user but

#65 February 4th, 2003, 04:27 PM
obstinatedon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 690	Andy... What the heck are you talking about. The LinkShare addendum goes much farther than, "...Ebates or whoever can not automatically redirect a user but..." Let me ask you a pointed question on a public board just so that there is no misunderstanding. Do you really believe what you just wrote; or, are you upset that folks you have talked to are not interested as of yet in your concept as it applies to the death of small to medium sized affiliates? Frankly pal, as you and I discussed on the phone at one time, I believe the mid-tier to be a substantially growing group, not one directly on its way to a horrible demise. The fact that you believe the "parasites" will eventually toss the networks and dominate is proof enough that you really know little of the dynamic as it applies to what is really happening. Let me assure you that this is a positive move for the majority of the affiliate populace; although not necessarily for LinkShare itself. Hell man, they could reasonably be on the losing end of this stick - not the winning. While I do indeed appreciate the concern you have expressed throughout this entire war (I don't know what else to call it), I think you might want to take a step back for a moment and think about common interests that you might have with the networks (yes, all of them), as opposed to betting on the negative. Just my opinion... Obstinatedon You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Mahatma Gandhi

#66 February 4th, 2003, 04:33 PM
obstinatedon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 690	Hi Connie... You are more right about your assessment of affiliate programs, and the lack of attention management of various firms give them than you know. There are network providers out there who STILL say that a program can be run by a part-time affiliate manager who utilizes as little as two-three hours per day actually working the program. If one wants to succeed, that is total bunk - period. Obstinatedon You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Mahatma Gandhi

#67 February 4th, 2003, 05:00 PM
happypoon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 2,435	LOL As usual I screwed up my posts. One of these days I'll just shut up all together - getting close which will be to many who will be glad. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think you might want to take a step back for a moment and think about common interests that you might have with the networks (yes, all of them), as opposed to betting on the negative.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Don, I thought thats what I was honestly doing. I started off the thread saying I was confused and asked for clarification. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Do you really believe what you just wrote; or, are you upset that folks you have talked to are not interested as of yet in your concept as it applies to the death of small to medium sized affiliates?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> (I cant resist to post this as you would) - Again PAL, LOL I asked for clarifaction. I love reading your posts where you use that word because those are usually great or funny or both. Don I have other interests and I'm weary of fighting the parasites, networks and shady merchants. Do I think the trend will continue and more and more affiliates have a hard time making money in affiliate maketing? Yes - those are my thoughts but I've been wrong many many times in the past. My posts here stand for themselves - many have been wrong - but many more have been right on call. The issue I want to bring forward was a simple one - any clarification on whenu overwriting the link prior to the popup regarding compliance or "a misinterpreation by me of the linkshare addendum" would be greatly appreciated.

#68 February 4th, 2003, 05:13 PM
obstinatedon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 690	LOL! Thanks for the response Happypoon... By the way, I never use the word "pal" without justification. I just happen to like the people with whom I use it - that's all. Pal is a late 17th century word from the Turkish Romany, meaning mate. The folks from Australia here will understand that not all "mates" are married or of different sexes - . In the United States, we bastardized the term in the 1930's to the informal phrase, "palsy-walsy", as a noun denoting in the sense - friend. If I amuse you when I use the term, good. I use it frequently, and always to one whom I like. As for your clarification of something that is not easily comprehended unless one happens to be a lawyer, I shall leave it to LinkShare to do it for you. Obstinatedon You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Mahatma Gandhi

#69 February 10th, 2003, 07:58 AM
cazzie ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 2,087	Anything new on when the announcement will come? Or do we have to wait until the 30 days expire? Cazzie

#70 February 10th, 2003, 05:47 PM
morpheus3000 Newbie Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 4	Linkshare and supporters are just a propaganda machine. They instituted their Terms and Agreement in Feb 2002 but started making __exceptions__ to their own rules with the Addendum. Read the fine print of the Feb 2002 T&A. Compliance? As long as they get their money out of the Merchants and their $1 check writing fee.

#71 February 10th, 2003, 05:55 PM
obstinatedon ABW Ambassador Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 690	Nice drive-by Morpheus. I have seen this same sentiment raised time and again by those without a single clue. As a matter of fact, in a couple cases they actually utilized the same phraseology. Perhaps you might want to change your name to metamorphosis, or simply to morph, or - just back to what you were when you first joined ABW some time ago. But, that would be telling, wouldn't it? Obstinatedon You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Mahatma Gandhi

#72 February 11th, 2003, 04:43 PM
morpheus3000 Newbie Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 4	Obstinatedon: What part of this document is not clear? Linkshare wrote it in Feb 2002, everyone (by way of default) agreed to it. Since you haven't worked at Linkshare for awhile, you're the one without a clue. It's odvious to anyone looking at the history of this hijacking dispute that Linkshare is making exceptions to clearly stated rules. 6.5. You agree that You shall not: Place or use any Link of any Network Merchant except with the intention of delivering valid sales, leads, applications, accounts, clicks or other specified compensable actions to that Network Merchant; Distribute or display, or authorize or use any third party to distribute or display, any Qualifying Link or any other Link of any Network Merchant created or obtained through the Network by means of any browser extension or other software or technology which is downloaded to or installed on the Web user's personal computer or other Web access device and which serves advertisements, promotional material or links as an overlay upon, a substitute for content in, as a "pop-up" keyed by content or key words on a Webpage requested or viewed by such Web user;

#73 February 11th, 2003, 07:14 PM
ecomcity 2005 Linkshare Golden Link Award Winner Join Date: January 18th, 2005 Location: St Clair Shores MI. Posts: 17,396	Hey Morph ...how many millions has Linkshare paid out to violators of the TOS adendium since Feb. 2002? I do know that money belonged to their normal affiliates or were derived by design from non-commissionable links paid for by merchants...ie e-mails -SE's and PPCSE keywords. Charlie ... If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..

#74 February 12th, 2003, 10:12 AM
morpheus3000 Newbie Join Date: January 17th, 2005 Posts: 4	http://www.linkshare.com/affiliates/...iate_cover.gif

#75 February 12th, 2003, 10:26 AM
ecomcity 2005 Linkshare Golden Link Award Winner Join Date: January 18th, 2005 Location: St Clair Shores MI. Posts: 17,396	You need to add to the image ...NO QUESTIONS ASKED! Charlie ... If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..