OneCause - Is Linkshare a parasite now? - Page 41

Adarsh · #**1001** April 24th, 2009, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micker

OneCause will not be in the Corel Program as of May 1st.

Thanks Miker! Loved to know that!! Thanks for taking a stand against the evil. You are the man!

Regards.

Adarsh · #**1002** April 24th, 2009, 01:09 PM

Well, OneCause is affiliated with over 700 merchants. What are other merchants and affiliate managers waiting for? Come on guys, we all know whats linksteal and OC all about, what are ye all waiting for? Why can't you take a stand? What special certificate or invitation letters you need to take a stand against such thieves? Isn't all that information enough to figure out what OC is all about? WAKE UP!

purplebear · #**1003** April 24th, 2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micker

OneCause will not be in the Corel Program as of May 1st.

jzjzjz · #**1004** May 13th, 2009, 11:35 AM

Hey guys, I'm new to Linkshare and after reading the first 20 pages think I have some understanding of how this affects me.. please correct me if I'm wrong

OneCause has spyware software that sits in browsers, overriding affiliate cookies with its own. OneCause is listed as an affiliate with the major Affiliate Networks and steals commissions for itself, which it then donates? to charity.

So, if users don't install the software, then OneCause won't have any effect on the commission from that user's purchase? LinkShare seems to have the best merchandisers for my specific niche.. the other networks don't compare (Avantlink, SAS, even CJ). I doubt most people in my target market will install the OneCause toolbar.. does it make sense for me to go ahead with LinkShare?

Thanks for the help. (<--- first post!)

rematt · #**1005** May 13th, 2009, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzjzjz

OneCause has spyware software that sits in browsers, overriding affiliate cookies with its own. OneCause is listed as an affiliate with the major Affiliate Networks and steals commissions for itself, which it then donates? to charity.

They donate a portion of the commission to charity and keep the remaining portion for themselves. They claim to have donated more than $200M since 1999 which is no trivial amount. Their cut BTW would be an additional $200M which means that in the past 10 years that they have stolen over $400M in affiliate commissions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzjzjz

So, if users don't install the software, then OneCause won't have any effect on the commission from that user's purchase? Linkshare seems to have the best merchandisers for my specific niche.. the other networks don't compare (Avantlink, SAS, even CJ). I doubt most people in my target market will install the OneCause toolbar.. does it make sense for me to go ahead with Linkshare?

Perhaps, one way to check is to visit OneCause's site to see if any of the merchants that you want to work with are listed as one of their merchants. But just because the merchants that you want to work with aren't listed today, it doesn't mean that they won't be listed tomorrow.

Also keep in mind that OneCause's parent company, RakutenUSA, also owns Linkshare. So not only is Linkshare condoning the theft of affiliate commissions, they're parent company is profiting from that theft. They also don't have the greatest reputation as a network that takes a stand against parasites. Remember they profit either way, so protecting their affiliates doesn't appear to be a very high priority. Trusted third party, right.

-rematt

Adarsh · #**1006** May 13th, 2009, 12:47 PM

All I can say is LS will always be at the last on my list. Umm lets just take it off the list ..

And jzjzjz .. OC and Linkshare are both owned by Rakuten. So, Rakuten is not only running/managing an affiliate network, but also running/managing OneCause to promote products as an affiliate. And if it is upto them, they would love to steal each and every affiliate's commission and fill their pockets ..

Sorry, nothing good I can say about Linksteal or OneCheat or Rakutit.

michaeleay · #**1007** May 16th, 2009, 08:14 PM

Thanks to Haiko's incredible expose I brought this to Microsoft's and Dell CA's attention through the LS Spam Mail interface.

Unfunnily enough I never received a reply. (In truth I have never ever received a Reply from Dell CA anyways regarding their inaccurate links and other "issues")

Do you think the lack of a response was because LS intercepted the email before it reached the intended recipients above or, is this just another case of Publishers not responding to affiliate's emails? (It well could be in Dell CA's case)

Maybe both? Wait, no, that couldn't be......

Anat · #**1008** May 21st, 2009, 11:27 PM

Does anyone know how popular the onecause toolbar is these days? I have been promoting Petsmart for years through Linkshare and I wonder whether I should continue. I am seeing a dramatic decrease in sales this year - I wonder if it's related.

When people have the onecause toolbar - do clicks still register to me? or does it take over the cookie, or whatever, before a click or pageview is registered?

Adarsh · #**1009** May 22nd, 2009, 01:41 AM

Anat,
Nobody can answer your questions. It is better that you yourself install the OneCheat's toolbar and test your links. Make sure to login to the toolbar. Once you do this experiment, I can bet you will be running around to find similar merchants on other affiliate marketing networks.
Can't you see, Linksteal mods don't give a shit to what people think/talk about them and their sister company OC? It is up to you (affiliates) to decide what's good for you and what's not. And if you have read each and every post in this thread and still asking such questions, man you are fooling yourself. If you didn't read all the posts in this thread, sorry, you should read each and every post. Specially, see all those videos that Haiko posted in the beginning of this thread.
Regards.

Chuck Hamrick · #**1010** May 22nd, 2009, 12:13 PM

Anat, I manage the FetchDog program on AvantLink and Shareasale if you want an alternative to Petsmart. Our sales have been increasing weekly this year.

glittered · #**1011** May 22nd, 2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anat

Does anyone know how popular the onecause toolbar is these days? I have been promoting Petsmart for years through Linkshare and I wonder whether I should continue. I am seeing a dramatic decrease in sales this year - I wonder if it's related.

When people have the onecause toolbar - do clicks still register to me? or does it take over the cookie, or whatever, before a click or pageview is registered?

I personally have all but given up promoting Linkshare merchants. I used to do well with them and get monthly checks but since OneCause (which is also owned by Linkshare's parent company) started to steal 90%+ of my commissions I have all but stopped bothering to promote their merchants. In fact I'm now starting to delete nearly all the emails that come in from Linkshare merchants with promotions and links. I would suggest to spend your time on converting networks.

Georgie Peri · #**1012** May 23rd, 2009, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glinted

since OneCause (which is also owned by Linkshare's parent company) started to steal 90%+ of my commissions

How do you know they have stolen 90%+ of your commissions?

twikker · #**1013** May 28th, 2009, 03:48 AM

BEWARE OF CJ.COM (CommissionJuiceSucking.com) as WELL!!!!

WELL Here is ONE MORE of these Bigg Bosses trying to suck the blood of their affiliates and then slam on there back (Commission Junction.com don't wants to leave the award for THE CROOKS OF THE 21st CENTURY for LINKSHARE alone) ----> http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=96126 All newbs (like me) please read this.

Many people here on abestweb.com will definately be knowing that already (who are long enough in this forum), but for the all new AFFILIATES AND MERCHANTS, It is now up to you all, if you people really want to promote such crooks and frauds and unethical bastards like commission junction and Link share still.

If one can not understand what this 41 pages long thread means than I think he (EVERYONE) should better read (atleast first few pages definately) and take action according to.

And I think it is better to open one or two threads every month related to the TITLE cj.com FRAUD and Linkshare.com raping the affiliates so that they can rank very high on google in rankings and let also the "Newbie Affiliates" know with whom they really should work.

Thanks to the Abestweb.com community for all there support and work for the affiliates and publishers.

Georgie Peri · #**1014** May 28th, 2009, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twikker

BEWARE OF CJ.COM (CommissionJuiceSucking.com) as WELL!!!!

WELL Here is ONE MORE of these Bigg Bosses trying to suck the blood of their affiliates and then slam on there back (Commission Junction.com don't wants to leave the award for THE CROOKS OF THE 21st CENTURY for LINKSHARE alone) ----> http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=96126 All newbs (like me) please read this.

Many people here on abestweb.com will definately be knowing that already (who are long enough in this forum), but for the all new AFFILIATES AND MERCHANTS, It is now up to you all, if you people really want to promote such crooks and frauds and unethical bastards like commission junction and Link share still.

If one can not understand what this 41 pages long thread means than I think he (EVERYONE) should better read (atleast first few pages definately) and take action according to.

And I think it is better to open one or two threads every month related to the TITLE cj.com FRAUD and Linkshare.com raping the affiliates so that they can rank very high on google in rankings and let also the "Newbie Affiliates" know with whom they really should work.

Thanks to the Abestweb.com community for all there support and work for the affiliates and publishers.

Posts like this may come back and haunt you ..

mmesarina · #**1015** August 3rd, 2009, 06:30 PM

Hi,
I saw the videos that are supposed to demonstrate overwriting of cookies of the affiliate that refers a buyer by the OneCause Toolbar. I want to make sure i understand what goes on behind the curtains. Can someone confirm or explain my understanding:

1. The OneCause Toolbar 'changes' or 'overwrites' the URL that contained the original affiliate site ID with the linkshare siteID associated with OneCause?

2. Then the merchant's server will read the siteID and think that this is a new linkshare affiliate siteID and will overwrite any cookie associated with the merchant's landing page? (will store the new siteID in the new cookies and associate with the merchant's landing page?)

Is this what is happening?

Also I have another question:

1.Who does the actual writing of cookies, is it Linkshare or the Merchant? My impression is that in the case of Linshare, only the Merchant does the writing of cookies in a buyer's machine?

2. but how about CJ, does CJ do the writing of cookies in the buyer's machine as well as the Merchant?

thank you very much for your help.

-Malena

mshanke · #**1016** August 6th, 2009, 04:19 PM

The Eastbay and Footlocker programs have terminated their relationship with Onecause based on extensive research into their practices.

CathyM · #**1017** August 6th, 2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

The Eastbay and Footlocker programs have terminated their relationship with Onecause based on extensive research into their practices.

That sounds like great news. mshanke, are you the affiliate manager for Eastbay and Footlocker?

HardwareGeek · #**1018** August 7th, 2009, 09:05 PM

great to hear, too bad other companies are being lied to by their AM's in particular AM's at the Major affiliate companies like LinkShare and CJ and have kept OneCause in their program.

Haiko de Poel, Jr. · #**1019** September 9th, 2009, 09:53 AM

http://forum.abestweb.com/showpost.p...6&postcount=11

Supasta · #**1020** September 14th, 2009, 03:31 AM

So basically FreeCause is at the root of this whole fiasco since they provide OC with the means and the parasiteware to steal from affiliates? Is there any relation between the three companies (FC, OC and LS)?

Am I also to understand they are now outsourcing their own parasitic toolbars to others? And apparently quite successfully since they were "Awarded to a new publisher who has achieved the highest total revenue" from CJ?

Zeus · #**1021** September 14th, 2009, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Supasta - Is there any relation between the three companies

OneCause is owned by Rakuten, the owner of LinkShare.
OneCause is using FreeCause, developer and provider of a toolbar stealing other affiliates commissions.
FreeCause is nominated as "Rookie Affiliate" of the year by CJ.

It rises many, many, questions about ethics in Affiliate Marketing.

Supasta · #**1022** September 14th, 2009, 03:55 AM

So if FreeCause is now nominated as one of the top publishers on CJ, does that imply they are also seeing a cut of revenue from OC's stealing affiliate commissions?

Oddly enough, FreeCause has their own affiliate network, what's that about?

Zeus · #**1023** September 14th, 2009, 04:01 AM

It's not unusual for parasites like FreeCause to have their own affiliate network or have an affiliate program with major networks. eBates, uPromise... are doing it.

FreeCause is affiliated with as many merchants as they can from all major networks, like CJ, LS and GAN and they steal commissions from affiliates and merchants using these networks.

Quote:

Monetize Your Social Network Applications
Online advertisers, search providers, and retailers are spending billions every year just to reach consumers as they surf the web. The FreeCause Affiliate Network lets you tap into that market and earn serious revenue.

Supasta · #**1024** September 14th, 2009, 04:05 AM

And CJ is giving them an award for this...fantastic. As a newbie to affiliate marketing this is really worrisome. I wonder how many schemes like this go undetected!

Zeus · #**1025** September 14th, 2009, 04:08 AM

Unfortunately, you'll find many more of these schemes.
CJ, LS, GAN have no respect for their affiliates. Their conduct is based on greed at the expense of their own affiliates.
You can't trust these networks. LS used to reward all the crooks in Affiliate Marketing and CJ is doing the same.

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#1002 April 24th, 2009, 01:09 PM
Adarsh ABW Ambassador Join Date: November 2nd, 2008 Location: CHD, India Posts: 691	Well, OneCause is affiliated with over 700 merchants. What are other merchants and affiliate managers waiting for? Come on guys, we all know whats linksteal and OC all about, what are ye all waiting for? Why can't you take a stand? What special certificate or invitation letters you need to take a stand against such thieves? Isn't all that information enough to figure out what OC is all about? WAKE UP!

#1004 May 13th, 2009, 11:35 AM
jzjzjz Newbie Join Date: May 13th, 2009 Posts: 6	Hey guys, I'm new to Linkshare and after reading the first 20 pages think I have some understanding of how this affects me.. please correct me if I'm wrong OneCause has spyware software that sits in browsers, overriding affiliate cookies with its own. OneCause is listed as an affiliate with the major Affiliate Networks and steals commissions for itself, which it then donates? to charity. So, if users don't install the software, then OneCause won't have any effect on the commission from that user's purchase? LinkShare seems to have the best merchandisers for my specific niche.. the other networks don't compare (Avantlink, SAS, even CJ). I doubt most people in my target market will install the OneCause toolbar.. does it make sense for me to go ahead with LinkShare? Thanks for the help. (<--- first post!)

#1006 May 13th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Adarsh ABW Ambassador Join Date: November 2nd, 2008 Location: CHD, India Posts: 691	All I can say is LS will always be at the last on my list. Umm lets just take it off the list .. And jzjzjz .. OC and Linkshare are both owned by Rakuten. So, Rakuten is not only running/managing an affiliate network, but also running/managing OneCause to promote products as an affiliate. And if it is upto them, they would love to steal each and every affiliate's commission and fill their pockets .. Sorry, nothing good I can say about Linksteal or OneCheat or Rakutit.

#1007 May 16th, 2009, 08:14 PM
michaeleay Newbie Join Date: May 10th, 2007 Location: Oregon, West Coast Posts: 22	Microsoft & Dell Ca @ LS Thanks to Haiko's incredible expose I brought this to Microsoft's and Dell CA's attention through the LS Spam Mail interface. Unfunnily enough I never received a reply. (In truth I have never ever received a Reply from Dell CA anyways regarding their inaccurate links and other "issues") Do you think the lack of a response was because LS intercepted the email before it reached the intended recipients above or, is this just another case of Publishers not responding to affiliate's emails? (It well could be in Dell CA's case) Maybe both? Wait, no, that couldn't be......

#1008 May 21st, 2009, 11:27 PM
Anat Member Join Date: May 11th, 2005 Posts: 71	Does anyone know how popular the onecause toolbar is these days? I have been promoting Petsmart for years through Linkshare and I wonder whether I should continue. I am seeing a dramatic decrease in sales this year - I wonder if it's related. When people have the onecause toolbar - do clicks still register to me? or does it take over the cookie, or whatever, before a click or pageview is registered?

#1009 May 22nd, 2009, 01:41 AM
Adarsh ABW Ambassador Join Date: November 2nd, 2008 Location: CHD, India Posts: 691	Anat, Nobody can answer your questions. It is better that you yourself install the OneCheat's toolbar and test your links. Make sure to login to the toolbar. Once you do this experiment, I can bet you will be running around to find similar merchants on other affiliate marketing networks. Can't you see, Linksteal mods don't give a shit to what people think/talk about them and their sister company OC? It is up to you (affiliates) to decide what's good for you and what's not. And if you have read each and every post in this thread and still asking such questions, man you are fooling yourself. If you didn't read all the posts in this thread, sorry, you should read each and every post. Specially, see all those videos that Haiko posted in the beginning of this thread. Regards.

#1010 May 22nd, 2009, 12:13 PM
Chuck Hamrick ABestWeb Admin Join Date: October 5th, 2005 Location: Park City Utah Posts: 9,074	Anat, I manage the FetchDog program on AvantLink and Shareasale if you want an alternative to Petsmart. Our sales have been increasing weekly this year.

#1013 May 28th, 2009, 03:48 AM
twikker Newbie Join Date: May 7th, 2009 Posts: 46	BEWARE OF CJ.COM (CommissionJuiceSucking.com) as WELL!!!! WELL Here is ONE MORE of these Bigg Bosses trying to suck the blood of their affiliates and then slam on there back (Commission Junction.com don't wants to leave the award for THE CROOKS OF THE 21st CENTURY for LINKSHARE alone) ----> http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=96126 All newbs (like me) please read this. Many people here on abestweb.com will definately be knowing that already (who are long enough in this forum), but for the all new AFFILIATES AND MERCHANTS, It is now up to you all, if you people really want to promote such crooks and frauds and unethical bastards like commission junction and Link share still. If one can not understand what this 41 pages long thread means than I think he (EVERYONE) should better read (atleast first few pages definately) and take action according to. And I think it is better to open one or two threads every month related to the TITLE cj.com FRAUD and Linkshare.com raping the affiliates so that they can rank very high on google in rankings and let also the "Newbie Affiliates" know with whom they really should work. Thanks to the Abestweb.com community for all there support and work for the affiliates and publishers. Last edited by twikker; May 28th, 2009 at 04:14 AM.

#1015 August 3rd, 2009, 06:30 PM
mmesarina Newbie Join Date: July 27th, 2009 Posts: 6	from URL overwriting to cookies overwriting, can someone explain please? Hi, I saw the videos that are supposed to demonstrate overwriting of cookies of the affiliate that refers a buyer by the OneCause Toolbar. I want to make sure i understand what goes on behind the curtains. Can someone confirm or explain my understanding: 1. The OneCause Toolbar 'changes' or 'overwrites' the URL that contained the original affiliate site ID with the linkshare siteID associated with OneCause? 2. Then the merchant's server will read the siteID and think that this is a new linkshare affiliate siteID and will overwrite any cookie associated with the merchant's landing page? (will store the new siteID in the new cookies and associate with the merchant's landing page?) Is this what is happening? Also I have another question: 1.Who does the actual writing of cookies, is it Linkshare or the Merchant? My impression is that in the case of Linshare, only the Merchant does the writing of cookies in a buyer's machine? 2. but how about CJ, does CJ do the writing of cookies in the buyer's machine as well as the Merchant? thank you very much for your help. -Malena

#1016 August 6th, 2009, 04:19 PM
mshanke Newbie Join Date: November 7th, 2006 Posts: 1	The Eastbay and Footlocker programs have terminated their relationship with Onecause based on extensive research into their practices.

#1019 September 9th, 2009, 09:53 AM
Haiko de Poel, Jr. ABW Founder Join Date: January 18th, 2005 Location: New York Posts: 21,651	http://forum.abestweb.com/showpost.p...6&postcount=11 __________________ Continued Success, Haiko The secret of success is constancy of purpose ~ Disraeli

#1018 August 7th, 2009, 09:05 PM
HardwareGeek MasterMike Join Date: January 18th, 2005 Posts: 3,813	great to hear, too bad other companies are being lied to by their AM's in particular AM's at the Major affiliate companies like LinkShare and CJ and have kept OneCause in their program. __________________ HardwareGeeks.com http://www.cutegeek.com

#1020 September 14th, 2009, 03:31 AM
Supasta Newbie Join Date: September 14th, 2009 Posts: 4	So basically FreeCause is at the root of this whole fiasco since they provide OC with the means and the parasiteware to steal from affiliates? Is there any relation between the three companies (FC, OC and LS)? Am I also to understand they are now outsourcing their own parasitic toolbars to others? And apparently quite successfully since they were "Awarded to a new publisher who has achieved the highest total revenue" from CJ?

#1022 September 14th, 2009, 03:55 AM
Supasta Newbie Join Date: September 14th, 2009 Posts: 4	So if FreeCause is now nominated as one of the top publishers on CJ, does that imply they are also seeing a cut of revenue from OC's stealing affiliate commissions? Oddly enough, FreeCause has their own affiliate network, what's that about?

#1024 September 14th, 2009, 04:05 AM
Supasta Newbie Join Date: September 14th, 2009 Posts: 4	And CJ is giving them an award for this...fantastic. As a newbie to affiliate marketing this is really worrisome. I wonder how many schemes like this go undetected!

#1025 September 14th, 2009, 04:08 AM
Zeus 15 years and counting Join Date: January 18th, 2005 Posts: 6,194	Unfortunately, you'll find many more of these schemes. CJ, LS, GAN have no respect for their affiliates. Their conduct is based on greed at the expense of their own affiliates. You can't trust these networks. LS used to reward all the crooks in Affiliate Marketing and CJ is doing the same.