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    SEs that do not support pornography??
    Does anyone know of search engines that use PPC that do NOT accept money to promote pornography?


    Thanks!

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    All of them or none of them, depending on your definition of pornography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HecticDMC
    All of them or none of them, depending on your definition of pornography.

    I think the definition from a third grade dictonary would work out just fine.

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    Or Webster's ...


    "pornography"

    Main Entryor·nog·ra·phy
    Pronunciation:\-fē\
    Function:noun
    Etymology:Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from pornē prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey — more at fare, carve
    Date:1858
    1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
    2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
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    Considering the supreme court couldn't define it, I don't think I was being unfair. Besides, "erotic" is a pretty subjective term, and people find sexual excitement in a pretty wide range of things. Ask any third grader, since you brought them up, what happened the first time they found a classical art book in the library (well, the boys at least). Is that the kind of content you're talking about? Or are you aiming squarely at the hard core stuff that's found online? In the context of your question, it makes a difference.
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    All the major SEs make millions per month supporting adult searches.

    Some put it out to bid with 3rd party providers.
    MSN uses nightsurf.com
    http://www.nightsurf.com/NSConfirm_MSN.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merchant Consultant Team
    All the major SEs make millions per month supporting adult searches.

    Some put it out to bid with 3rd party providers.
    MSN uses nightsurf.com
    http://www.nightsurf.com/NSConfirm_MSN.htm

    Yes I know and the reason for my initial question.

    I just spent the weekend at a retreat and the speaker shared some very SAD statistics about the current culture of our Youth today who look up to us:

    Percentage of students by grade that have sex:
    20% - Middle Schoolers
    34% - of 8th graders
    43% - of 10th graders
    51% - of 11th graders
    63% - of 12th graders

    One in 3 teenage girls will become pregnant before the age of 20
    33% of those pregnancies among 15-18 year olds will end in an abortion

    Only 33% of teen moms graduate from High School and only 1.5% from college.

    By age 25, one out of every 2 sexually active young people will contract an STD.

    All that said... It's hard to imagine what our future generations are going to look like. I have a 6 year old daughter and am scared to death to think about what she is capable of viewing with her eyes at the click of a mouse.

    My post was to find out if there is a Search Engine Company out there that is pro-family values and that engages in moral-social responsibility protecting the hearts and minds of our children that does NOT make millions a month of the adult industry that I could choose to spend my affiliate PPC advertising dollars with instead.

    Incidentally - 50% of teens surveyed believe that looking at pictures of nudity or sexually explicit behavior is morally acceptable.

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    "Incidentally - 50% of teens surveyed believe that looking at pictures of nudity or sexually explicit behavior is morally acceptable."

    It's normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trust
    "Incidentally - 50% of teens surveyed believe that looking at pictures of nudity or sexually explicit behavior is morally acceptable."

    It's normal.
    Yea - sort of Trust. I did when I was a teen as well - not that we should of but did out of curiosity.

    However, I work with High School kids at my church and just within the last 30 days have dealt with two young me who were physically crying because they couldn't get themselves to STOP looking at it now - even though they truly want to stop. The internet has made it much more readily available.

    In our days we would've had to "find" a magazine or video if we were underage. Now you can be on the internet and trip a google search or a youtube video and have almost zero say so in what comes before your eyes.

    Yes the boys could never get on the computer again in private - and so they are. But they continue to struggle with the thoughts and cravings that challenge their personal purity.

    I don't want to start a moral debate with this thread - just seeking clarity on the original question about search engines.

    Thanks for your input.

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    If you're looking for SE's tailored to kids, a quick search reveals
    http://www.ivyjoy.com/rayne/kidssearch.html#filter
    http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2156191

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    Quote Originally Posted by simcat

    Using your second link I found that:

    "LookSmart: LookSmart has never accepted adult content for listing within its directory results. However, obscure queries might bring these up in the crawler-based results that are sometimes provided."

    That's awesome. Not sure if they accept revenue for PPC ads from the adult industry though.

    Either way - great info on setting up awesome filters for my daughter - thank you very much!

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    In large urban areas the numbers are a bit worse. And even more surprising are the types of sexual behavior in which those young people are engaging. I worked in that environment until last year and have two city school guidance counselors among my friends. Some of their stories are even shocking to me.

    On another note, however, I used to use two kid-friendly search engines in the classroom. 1) What used to be Yahooligans.com is now kids.yahoo.com; and 2) the original AskJeeves had/has a "kids" version at ajkids.com. The parent companies still earn $$$ from all kinds of search, but at least the kid versions are fairly well monitored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachy
    In large urban areas the numbers are a bit worse. And even more surprising are the types of sexual behavior in which those young people are engaging. I worked in that environment until last year and have two city school guidance counselors among my friends. Some of their stories are even shocking to me.

    On another note, however, I used to use two kid-friendly search engines in the classroom. 1) What used to be Yahooligans.com is now kids.yahoo.com; and 2) the original AskJeeves had/has a "kids" version at ajkids.com. The parent companies still earn $$$ from all kinds of search, but at least the kid versions are fairly well monitored.
    Thanks for the add. info Beachy.

    Yes I'm not sure why it is that way with the closer urban you get - same goes here. I can only assume there is a likely increase of narcotics/alcohol abuse at a much higher rate showered with poverty = depression and other mental health problems.

    I actually work in the juvenile court field by day and so I thought I was completely numb by now - until I heard those statistics this weekend (they are not on an urban scale but national).

    It would be interesting to conduct a poll on this topic of pornography vs. youth sexual activity with a control group of young people with no access to the internet and see how/if the results differ. Probably have to go to another country for that now though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoColts
    That's awesome. Not sure if they accept revenue for PPC ads from the adult industry though.
    Even if they don't, in my experience the traffic from Looksmart PPC campaigns is virtually useless compared to Google/Yahoo/MS.

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    In our days we would've had to "find" a magazine or video if we were underage.
    In our days, some people would spank their kids if caught with that stuff.
    Now you can be on the internet and trip a google search or a youtube video and have almost zero say so in what comes before your eyes.
    Now you can only talk them out of it, otherwise they can take you to court.

    I actually work in the juvenile court
    So you may be familiar with the news about the guy that got arrested a few weeks back, for using his belt on his kid, and you probably also heard what that judge say about the belting too.



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    That's is just one of the problems with how things were 30, 40, or 50 years ago, and the way things are now.

    With every new generation, there is going to be new laws, and with new laws, there may be new problems that were no problems before, so we either move on with the times or we fight for the way it was, because unfortunately, we can't have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sal
    In our days, some people would spank their kids if caught with that stuff.

    Now you can only talk them out of it, otherwise they can take you to court.


    So you may be familiar with the news about the guy that got arrested a few weeks back, for using his belt on his kid, and you probably also heard what that judge say about the belting too.



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    That's is just one of the problems with how things were 30, 40, or 50 years ago, and the way things are now.

    With every new generation, there is going to be new laws, and with new laws, there may be new problems that were no problems before, so we either move on with the times or we fight for the way it was, because unfortunately, we can't have it both ways.

    Well said

    I recently heard a couple of powerful quotes from the movie daddy's little girls (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ig5Fs5GsWVA)...

    "There's no sin in getting weary. There's sin in giving up!"

    Also...

    "The only time the devil wins is when you quit fighting"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoColts
    It would be interesting to conduct a poll on this topic of pornography vs. youth sexual activity with a control group of young people with no access to the internet and see how/if the results differ. Probably have to go to another country for that now though.
    I've though about responding to many of the things you've posted, and inferred, in this thread, but have not done so, and I doubt if I will (I've actually written two posts, and deleted them both), other than to provide the following.

    There actually has been at leaset one study on this issue, and from a very conservative group.

    The Church Educational System of the Mormon Church conducted such a study, involving 5,000 high school students in the US, Great Britain, and Mexico. Their findings were, not surprisingly to anyone actually familiar with such behavioral influences in society, that specifically, pornography did not have a significant influence on the sexual activity of the subjects, but rather the major influences on whether to engage in sexual behavior were peer pressure and family influence. The study also found that where you live matters far less than family influences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffiliateHound
    I've though about responding to many of the things you've posted, and inferred, in this thread, but have not done so, and I doubt if I will (I've actually written two posts, and deleted them both), other than to provide the following.

    There actually has been at leaset one study on this issue, and from a very conservative group.

    The Church Educational System of the Mormon Church conducted such a study, involving 5,000 high school students in the US, Great Britain, and Mexico. Their findings were, not surprisingly to anyone actually familiar with such behavioral influences in society, that specifically, pornography did not have a significant influence on the sexual activity of the subjects, but rather the major influences on whether to engage in sexual behavior were peer pressure and family influence. The study also found that where you live matters far less than family influences.

    Report on the study
    Thanks for the input AH, however, I did visit that link and I'm a little unclear by your post...

    Here is a direct quote from that site you gave me...

    "THE INFLUENCE OF PORNOGRAPHY Pornography emerged as a statistically significant predictor of premarital sex for young men in the structural equation model. Given the explosion in accessibility of pornography via the Internet, this finding is worrisome. There is awful potential for pornography to lead young men to sexual sin.

    Pornography was not a significant predictor of sexual activity for young women.
    This is welcome news, but it does not mean that young women are not affected by pornography. Little research has been conducted concerning the impact of pornography. It may be that young men who view pornography tend to treat young women as sex objects and become more aggressive in their sexual demands. Thus pornography may influence young men, who in turn influence the sexual behavior of young women. More research is needed in this area. It is clear, however, that pornography contributes to the pollution of our moral environment, and all youth, but particularly young women, are facing increasingly dangerous sexual pressures."

    http://magazine.byu.edu/?act=view&a=1289

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    I will add one more thing:

    The Guttmacher Institute is a nonprofit organization that focuses on sexual and reproductive health research, policy analysis and public education. They report that:

    "Data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) suggest that the fear of increasing rates of teenage sexual behavior may be unfounded. For example:

    Teenagers seem to be waiting longer to have intercourse. For example, the percentage of 12th-grade U.S. students who reported having had intercourse declined from 66.7% in 1991 to 60.5% in 2001."


    One final note: I've spent a lot of time researching health-related issues the past couple of months for a new website on healthy living, and I have a life-long affection for the First Amendment and any hint of the evil of censorship raises my neck and tail fur.
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    The bulk of what you are quoting consists of not the findings of the study, but the personal opinions of the researchers, in a superfluous addendum, seeking to vilify the factor the study found insignificant as compared to the more relevant influences. The findings of the study were very clearly, that of the factors they chose to research, pornography came in last, following peer pressure, family and religious influence. .1% can be called a statistically significant factor, but that does not change the findings of the study.

    Among young men, peer pressure emerged as the strongest factor influencing premarital sexual behavior, followed by religiosity and exposure to pornography.

    Although the results for the young women were similar (see figure 2, p. 53), there were a couple of notable differences. First, peer pressure was an even stronger factor. Second, pornography did not have a significant influence.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoColts
    ...Here is a direct quote from that site you gave me...

    "THE INFLUENCE OF PORNOGRAPHY Pornography emerged as a statistically significant predictor of premarital sex for young men in the structural equation model. Given the explosion in accessibility of pornography via the Internet, this finding is worrisome. There is awful potential for pornography to lead young men to sexual sin.

    Pornography was not a significant predictor of sexual activity for young women. This is welcome news, but it does not mean that young women are not affected by pornography. Little research has been conducted concerning the impact of pornography. It may be that young men who view pornography tend to treat young women as sex objects and become more aggressive in their sexual demands. Thus pornography may influence young men, who in turn influence the sexual behavior of young women. More research is needed in this area. It is clear, however, that
    pornography contributes to the pollution of our moral environment {Value judgement - not scientific finding}
    , and all youth, but particularly young women, are facing increasingly dangerous sexual pressures."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffiliateHound
    I will add one more thing:



    Teenagers seem to be waiting longer to have intercourse. For example, the percentage of 12th-grade U.S. students who reported having had intercourse declined from 66.7% in 1991 to 60.5% in 2001."
    Unfortunately the net was still a baby in '01.

    However, the speaker at our retreat did mention that over all (currently) teen pregancy has dropped over the last few years and educators and planned parenthood are patting themselves on the back for the mass distribution of condoms.

    Ironically though, the rate of children born out-of-wedlock has skyrocketed over the same time period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoColts
    Unfortunately the net was still a baby in '01.
    Not so. It was before Google dominated the world, but the net was already the net and there was a wide selection of SEs and metacrawlers around where you could find whatever you were looking for,
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    Well I tried to avoid this turning into a debate. That was not my intent.

    However, several of you did leave very encouraging links to websites that will filter and block pornography which is very helpful for those of us who have children.

    If you come across this post in the future - I'll still be here and would love to hear from you if you come across a SE that refuses to advertise pornographic website ads.

    Thank you everyone for your valuable input and time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoColts
    However, I work with High School kids at my church and just within the last 30 days have dealt with two young me who were physically crying because they couldn't get themselves to STOP looking at it now - even though they truly want to stop. The internet has made it much more readily available.
    They're in bondage to it, same as being held captive to an addiction to gambling or alcohol or drugs. But its only available on the internet to those who are looking for it. That's how search engines work: you type in a query and the search engine returns pages that match the request. The search engines are in no way responsible - in fact they have very effective filters for adult content. But people (of any age) choose whether or not to use them.

    Yes the boys could never get on the computer again in private - and so they are. But they continue to struggle with the thoughts and cravings that challenge their personal purity.
    Search engine > books deliverance

    Search engine > deliverance ministries

    There are either no answers or answers that haven't been found yet. But this thread is about search engines, and besides being a tool that can help, they're by no stretch of the imagination responsible for anyone's problems and neither is hiding from them dealing with people's real issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    They're in bondage to it, same as being held captive to an addiction to gambling or alcohol or drugs. But its only available on the internet to those who are looking for it. That's how search engines work: you type in a query and the search engine returns pages that match the request. The search engines are in no way responsible - in fact they have very effective filters for adult content. But people (of any age) choose whether or not to use them.

    Search engine > books deliverance

    Search engine > deliverance ministries

    There are either no answers or answers that haven't been found yet. But this thread is about search engines, and besides being a tool that can help, they're by no stretch of the imagination responsible for anyone's problems and neither is hiding from them dealing with people's real issues.

    Well said Webworker.

    It's just that at some point any business (and Google is definitely for profit as well as the others) has a certain social responsibility to say enough is enough. I/we can applaued their responsibility in creating filters but - I don't care how good their filters are - any one of us can type in a phrase and get pornographic results unintentionally.

    I won't even touch the fact that Google is making millions off the garbage and promoting further moral decay in our society.

    That would probably end the day they see some of their own children posted on their engine in the nude.

    But social responsibility debates are definitely reserved for other forums on the web and I'm sure it won't be long now before this thread gets closed for that very reason.

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