Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 49
  1. #1
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    360
    I can't wait to get over the Google era!

    - Bored of watching Google do what they feel like every month.

    - Sick of the stockolm syndrome that has spread over the webmaster community, just go read some other forums related to google....ridiculous.

    - Always fear an unfair penalty or Google to shift their system again and make me loose $.

    The FACT is I'm tired of the Google era, 1999-2003 is enough.

    I'm positively sure this is the last year of the Google era. If you're bored like me hang in there, this year we'll see altavista, FAST and inktomi make a comeback!

  2. #2
    ABW Ambassador phillyburbs's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    in the PhillyBurbs!
    Posts
    3,097
    I'll repeat this again ... There's rarely a day goes by on ABW that I'm not thankful we do not depend on Google for the majority of our traffic. I don't think I'd have the stomach, nerves or patience for it.

    Karl Smith
    phillyBurbs - Your Internet Starts Here

  3. #3
    ABW Ambassador Radegast's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    1,978
    I haven't really built any significant traffic yet, so I haven't lost out, but I'd hate to become dependent on Google.

    One thing that I haven't seen mentioned - aside from the quality of search results, Google have a brilliant banner. Altavista is dull in comparison, Yahoo is cluttered.
    I think it will take a lot to wheen people away from Google. I really like landing in Google as my home page.

  4. #4
    Resident Genius and Staunch Capitalist Leader's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    12,817
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by phillyBurbs.com:
    I'll repeat this again ... There's rarely a day goes by on ABW that I'm not thankful we do not depend on Google for the majority of our traffic. I don't think I'd have the stomach, nerves or patience for it.

    Karl Smith
    _http://www.phillyburbs.com_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    LOL...that's just part of the game! I mean heck, what's a bit more stomach acid rolling around on top of that which comes from

    Merchants that may disappear tomorrow, the latest network falderal, good merchants appearing on the Deactivated list, dud (also saturated category) merchants coming by the dozens, and possible impending major market shifts!

    Throw a few cans of Barq's on top, mix well.

    As for the point of this thread--

    The only way I can agree that Google's era should end, is if it doesn't become a case of switching one for another. It really doesn't matter to me who has the near-monopoly, if the searchers still end up concentrated at one place!

    What would be nicer is if the SE market spread out a bit and the algos don't get so different that optimizing for one means tanking in the others. If all 3 of those engines rose up, and it's possible to get good free listings at them all, great! I have serious doubts about Ink giving up their paid listing model anytime soon, though, although seems to have become easier to get in there free.

    ~Revenue is King

  5. #5
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    360
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    What would be nicer is if the SE market spread out a bit
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Of course!!! I don't want more monopolies, I think we're all smart now as to what a monopoly can do, it's not fun, it's risky and stressful.

    What I'd really like is to have 20% traffic altavista, 20% google, 20% fast, 20% inktomi, etc, etc....

    phillyBurbs.com - congrats on not depending on search engines! I mean, if you don't depend on Google you don't depend on search engines at all cuz right now google is basically a monopoly.

    And I'm tired of the Google monopoly

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    84
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What I'd really like is to have 20% traffic altavista, 20% google, 20% fast, 20% inktomi, etc, etc.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Don't complain too much, at least google is free. Maybe you could end up with 20% traffic period.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sick of the stockolm syndrome that has spread over the webmaster community, just go read some other forums related to google....ridiculous <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    LOL, yes! wmw is suffering from the stockolm syndrome big time!

    [This message was edited by pornstar on May 30, 2003 at 03:05 PM.]

  7. #7
    ABW Ambassador Jane's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    1,350
    QUOTE]What I'd really like is to have 20% traffic altavista, 20% google, 20% fast, 20% inktomi, etc, etc....[[/QUOTE]

    But think how much time it would take to check all your search rankings if you had to check that many engines. Would be nice if Yahoo started using Inktomi listings.

    Microsoft should put out it's own free listing engine. They love to give stuff away.

  8. #8
    ABW Ambassador
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Reno, NV
    Posts
    856
    Phillyburbs,

    What percentage of your overall traffic comes from Google? And how much from all SE's combined?? Any secrets you care to share about getting non-SE traffic???

    For new sites, it seems, that it will be pretty inevitable that most traffic will come from SE's unless you want to pay for PPC and the like. But, over time, like 2 years or so, the majority of a sites traffic should come from other sources (links from other sites, direct referrals, bookmarks, etc...).

    I hate the SE dependance, too, but the site is new (less than a year in the SE's). Get about 2/3 of all traffic from the SE's on any given day (a percentage which is happily declining every month), with Google accounting for about 50-60% of it. MSN has just started beating out Yahoo, for some strange reason.

    Jim

  9. #9
    ABW Ambassador
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    West Coast USA
    Posts
    3,043
    If and when they IPO, that will change everything!

    Get ahead of the curve now.

    If you wish to know more - you can't. "For security reasons the only ones allowed to see the profiles are affiliate managers."

  10. #10
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    360
    I just wrote Overture an email, I told them if they don't take this opportunity to gain on Google's horrible new update then they don't deserve any respect.


  11. #11
    ABW Ambassador
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Posts
    1,797
    What Adam said.

    Originally posted by Moneychaser<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And I'm tired of the Google monopoly <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    And I'm tired of people who don't understand the meaning of the word 'monopoly'. Look it up.

    Search Engine Positioning - 1 Design 4 Life

  12. #12
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    360
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    And I'm tired of people who don't understand the meaning of the word 'monopoly'. Look it up.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    monopoly: NOUN: 1. Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or selling a commodity or service: “Monopoly frequently … arises from government support or from collusive agreements among individuals” (Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom 1982).

    Google = "one group of the means of producing or selling"

    That is. Google = monopoly on WEB SEARCH. If you're not on Google adn you depend on WEB SEARCH, forget it.

    BTW thanks for your enlightening ...argument???

  13. #13
    ABW Ambassador
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Posts
    1,797
    Ah, so Google has 'exclusive control' over where people search on the web, does it ? That's odd 'cos it seems to me that I can search at AltaVista, AlltheWeb or even Gigablast just as easily as I can search at Google. There is NO restriction on where I search at all.

    Furthermore, Google doesn't 'control the means of producing or selling...' search. Hence, they are not a monopoly. Just because they have a large market share doesn't make them monopolistic.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> BTW thanks for your enlightening ...argument??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It's no problem. Thanks for caring.

    Search Engine Positioning - 1 Design 4 Life

  14. #14
    ABW Ambassador Andy's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    4,178
    Google's just the latest greatest trend in SEs. It's "cool" to search with Google right now. But that can change as quickly as it happened.

    If Google doesn't get its act together, and consistently provide more current results with less spam, it will fall from grace. The once a month update with Freshbot pages thrown in for good measure in between doesn't cut it. What's hot on the Internet changes as often as the winds.

    Google won't stay on top forever, unless it straightens up. I'm getting better results in many instances from AltaVista, it seems more current than Google, and I'm sure Yahoo is going to give Google a run for its money as well.

    Andy

    "If you were born to be shot, you'll never be hung." -Unknown

  15. #15
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    354
    Google may be overstocked on PhDs with no real world experience. Overthinking everything.
    Sure is a mess currently.

  16. #16
    Resident Genius and Staunch Capitalist Leader's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    12,817
    I'd say it's a "near-monopoly" from a webmaster's perspective. Even though WordTracker says it only gets something like 30% or 35% of the searches, the rest of the market is so fragmented that it's almost impossible to capture as many searches from the other SEs!

    I do agree with what Andy said, things seem to change overnight on the Net and it may not be long before some other place has the large part of the searches. Hopefully that place won't be one of the ones that charges...

    ~Revenue is King

  17. #17
    ABW Ambassador affiliatemakeover's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Cleveland, OH
    Posts
    821
    Markymark is right. In the true definition, it's no monopoly.

    __________________
    Jim Kukral
    Direct of Emarketing/Brand Manager
    KowaBunga! Technologies
    http://www.kowabunga.net

  18. #18
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    360
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    Markymark is right. In the true definition, it's no monopoly.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    From the USER point of view YES you are correct, Google is not a monopoly, you can freely search anywhere.

    From a WEBMASTER point of view yes Gooogle is a monopoly because if you need SE traffic there is no other search engine to choose from(hopefully not for long).

    I did mention *search traffic* monopoly, I think you rushed to a wrong answer.

    Since my market is selling engine traffic to affiliates, yes Google is a monopoly.

    In userland you could be right....but I donno where userland is.

  19. #19
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    360
    Correction: monopoly in FREE traffic.

    If there's such a thing anymore...I may be totally wrong here, but as far as my vision goes I don't see a free SE traffic source other than google.

    PLEASE prove me wrong.

  20. #20
    ABW Ambassador affiliatemakeover's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Cleveland, OH
    Posts
    821
    Just because a majority of people CHOOSE to use Google's free service, does not make Google a monopoly.

    By the way, they've reached this point without an advertising campaign, or fancy tv commercials, or a spokesperson, etc... What got them here? The experience they provide is better, that's it. Good experience branding.

    I think you just need to change the word "monopoly" to something else, like "majority".

    "Google has the Majority in Free Traffic"

    Now if Google forced users to perform a search online through their patented piece of "search software" that came in every pc that they have given away for free...then you could say they are building a monopoly.

    __________________
    Jim Kukral
    Direct of Emarketing/Brand Manager
    KowaBunga! Technologies
    http://www.kowabunga.net

  21. #21
    Resident Genius and Staunch Capitalist Leader's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    12,817
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Now if Google forced users to perform a search online through their patented piece of "search software" that came in every pc that they have given away for free...then you could say they are building a monopoly.~Jim <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I doubt you could say it even then. I ignore that MSN search all the time, even though it came with IE (which I could dump easily enough if I wanted to) free with my PC.

    The element of "force" isn't there for M$ (which is who you seem to be alluding to) either. Super convenient and easy to leave alone, does not equal the use of force.

    ~Revenue is King

  22. #22
    ABW Ambassador Akiva's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    3,266
    The fact is that Google *does* have an excellent search product albeit a little "unfresh" lately From my knowledge of the behind the scenes workings at Google, they are working towards a more frequent update schedule and better filters to filter out spam and clone sites. This is not to say that I am not frustrated by the latest whatever-is-going-on update. Bottom line is that Google has the technology, the company and the expertise to run a huge search engine and they're not going away any time soon. You'd better go check your rankings

    Akiva Bergstrom
    Affiliate Partner Manager
    <TABLE BORDER=0 cellspacing=2 width=500><TR><TD> <FONT SIZE=1>EssentialApparel.com
    CJ/6%/120 days/Datafeed/Parasite free
    Email: akiva@essentialapparel.com
    Phone: 973.696.6200 ext 751
    > Join now! < </TD><TD><FONT SIZE=1>SportsFanfare.com
    CJ/10%/120 days/Datafeed/Parasite free
    Email: akiva@sportsfanfare.com
    AIM: akivabergs
    > Join now! < </TD></TR></TABLE>

  23. #23
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    315
    &gt;&gt; this year we'll see altavista, FAST and inktomi make a comeback

    The only big chance is for Ink that too if yahoo decide to use them ... but the rumour in the street is they may use a mixture of three ... yahoo directory + Google + Ink

    "The Future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their Dreams."

  24. #24
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    360
    I'm totally terrified at the thought of Google telling 85% of online searchers where to go and who's relevant for any given subject....

    In my view of things webmasters should be the first to fear and combat Google, but it's happening all the opposite, webmasters and affiliates seem to be in love with their executioner....

    I'll say it again, any webmaster in love with Google has got a type of Stockolm Syndrome and is not seeing things clearly. In 2,3 years where is all this going?

    It's going where no Affiliate Marketer will be allowed to go.....you better open your eyes, you may have to chew on these words of support for google for a long time pretty soon!

    Unless you start taking off the user hats and trying to think of ways to get Google off control before it's too late.

  25. #25
    Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    144
    Pepsi is still waiting for the Coca-Cola era to be over.

    Some things, you just have to live with.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. New Era - Merchandiser
    By bradk in forum Rakuten LinkShare - LS
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: December 2nd, 2010, 12:39 PM
  2. The End of an Era
    By flamingoworld in forum Virtual Family and Off-Topic
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: March 31st, 2008, 11:15 PM
  3. End of an Era
    By markwelch in forum Commission Junction - CJ
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: January 2nd, 2007, 03:33 PM
  4. Is it still possible to get 5 cent clicks at Google or is that a bygone era?
    By HumbleFish in forum Search Engine Optimization
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: November 18th, 2005, 10:54 AM
  5. Submit new pages to Google, or wait?
    By Andy in forum Search Engine Optimization
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: August 3rd, 2002, 09:35 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •