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    Hi,
    the search results at google turn more and more into crap. When I tried a keyword search for some of my main keywords the first 3-4 results were coupon sites from amazon. I think that the industry and also the networks is looking for a concentration on the web. It should become a closed market where the industry has the saying and SE are with them because then it is possible to charge money from the searchers in future.

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    What?

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    what what?

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    confused

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    Have no idea what you are talking about or trying to ask.

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    I wanted to inform here that google results are very poor and that in my eyes the industry is trying to eleminate as much competitors as possible. This would IMHO then lead to a situation where searchers must open a prepaid account of e.g. $10 and then they can search google until this amount ends. If you only have 1 or two players in SE this would be the result.

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    Still don't get it. Searchers have to pay to search If thats what you're saying, that will never happen.

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    If there is no other possibility then it will happen. Here in Europe we had only 1 phone company in each country and they charged the phone number information. Even more than normal calls.

    carneol

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    With the coupon sites spamming the SE's and PPCSE's with every trick in the book it must be making Gator/WhenU/Upromise/iWon/eBates/iGive and the other BHO's rich. They just TAG ALONG on those links and popup once on the affiliate's or merchant's site. Seems the last popup wins the coupon war!

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    Mike they popup on any traffic that goes to merchant site, coupon sites, product link sites and even your site. They look for merchant name in address bar right? So you make them rich too.

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    TrustNo1 you are correct. EcomCity is a popup paradise as a starting point for the B-A-HO's. I have a Miva.com Cybermall shopping cart interfaced to the site, which also becomes a spot for the incent pitchman to operate from. If I loaded datafeeds into Miva my site becomes more of a nesting ground for the carpetbaggers.

    No ecommerce industry is allowed to operate unscaithed from the traffic hijackers and incnet BHO's by design. They want it all and will devise even sleezier ways to get into the checkout lanes where they can hawk their wares.

    Funny the merchants don't realize that the BHO's left unteathers to their domains threaten to negate all advertising efforts and alienate online shoppers who's machines fall victim to Freebee bundles and drive by installs. Who regularily spamms the PPCSE's -uses e-mail blasts with incent offers and drives down the incentive for merchant AM's to make pages or prices that sell real bargains.

    Couponers are a dime a dozen toolset for the advertising crowd. Those with BHO's pitching the points/rewards and earn money to shop are just more automated branches on the same tree. As folks like me get cut out of the commission mix then the lazy good for nothing AM's with a pure play advertising mindset get to earn their pay for doing squatt. Imagine all the time 600 merchant AM's have spent putting up temporary coupons/rebates and incent network datafeed offers, bypassing their real jobs of being responsible to the actual merchant for increasing conversion ratios and profits. Non-automated incent sites are dying on the vine, or resorting to shady affiliate proactices. The damn incent BHO's have grown revenues 1000% in the last year and reduced merchant profits to the point where they will soon forget the real value of referral sales teams.

    I object to the whole incent idea as a advertiser's trick just like pizza, furniture store and restaraunt coupons. All incenters are worthless salemen relying upon the freebee mass marketing appeal of the internet. Herding my domain shoppers to some jump thru the hoop landing page is a worthless effort as Overstock DRM creative has proven out. If Google banned all links and domains with coupon or rebate in the keywords or domains then the internet would be a much better place for shoppers. Force the lazy merchants to promote and place their incent deals on their domains and cut off all forms of incent marketing within the pay-per-performance industry.

    Imagine the online world of shoppers who would'nt have to sort thru the pages of coupon keyword spammers on Google or put up with incent popups if the networks completely banned all forms of incent marketing and pulled their incnet autofeeds. Hell even the charities would have to make sites that appealed to donnors and merchants would have to compete on pricing and product displays like TigerDirect does.

    Name one evil of affiliate marketing that doesn't originate from an advertising mindset. I refuse to be the advertising pawn of either the networks or the merchants. No real value at the end of the click and I loose interest real quick. Some incent wank jumping in front of my shopper offends me to no end. I own the store and competitors not buying something are not welcomed. If a couponer wants to entice my shopper they'd best offer something more than the special displayed by 10,000 other incent marketers. My showcase merchants can drop all forms of incent marketing to lower prices and it would make my commissions rise.

    Hey I'm consistant and will never change my spots. Tigerdirect -EA and JC Whitney will testify that all forms of incent marketing are tainted by an advertising mindset. Overstock will never florish again till they lose all forms of incent marketing. Think of Porn as the prime model of incent marketing. You want to buy advertising ...pay the publisher but don't run your Ads on my dime. If this offends anyone then so be it. I do not, and never will infringe on another affiliates ebiz model or seek to covet their customers. Others here would not be so inclined in this dog eat dog affiliate business.

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    "Tigerdirect -EA and JC Whitney will testify that all forms of incent marketing are tainted by an advertising mindset."

    JCWhitney uses incent marketing, pick up their catalog and they usually have coupon codes to use.
    EA uses incent marketing, Free shipping on orders over $95 using code LOWPRICES.

    I agree with you on BHOS and parasites. But you tend to lump all coupon sites and incent together which is wrong. Coupons have been around long before the internet, since the dawn of business, will always be around. Theres nothing wrong with coupon sites, saving people money is a good thing. And maybe its just me but i feel affiliates that have links to merchants that have codes available and don't post them, are doing a disservice to their site visitors. You should keep your focus on the real problem, bhos and parasites.

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    "Tigerdirect -EA and JC Whitney will testify that all forms of incent marketing are tainted by an advertising mindset."

    All three do incent advertising on their sites and in e-mails. They also spend the majority of their affiliate efforts pushing products through affiliates. Incent/loyality marketing is an inhouse function best kept inhouse... rather than threw the HBO outhouse.

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    "I object to the whole incent idea as a advertiser's trick"

    Mike, that is part of business, offline and online. Most, if not all merchants use some sort of incent, from coupon codes, to clearance sales, holiday sales, to percentage off site or specific product, to get our store card and get % off, to 50% off list etc. Hoping one day that merchants don't use this is not reality. And affiliate sites that promote these offerings are not the problem. These things help generate sales, and i gave past examples of merchants you have problems converting with that i do fine with, because i use these promotions. Your focus should be on the real problem, bhos and parasites. And if you disagree with this you're wrong But thats just my opinion and my last post in this thread.

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    Mike, on the day that you die, I am coming there and am going to put hundreds of those paper coupons in your casket just to spite you! Unless I die first that is!

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    LOL Connie ...I get enough coupons in the mailbox everyday to satisfy all the real shoppers on the block. Although your suggestion would probably keep me from coming back and haunting the incent advertising crowd in a second life. Little like driving a coupon wrapped stake thru the heart of a BHO vampire. I can safely bathe in holly water at this point in my life if need be.

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    don't worry, I'm sure there'd be a long line...

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Connie Berg:
    Mike, on the day that you die, I am coming there and am going to put hundreds of those paper coupons in your casket just to spite you! Unless I die first that is!

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    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EcomCity.com:
    Incent/loyality marketing is an inhouse function best kept inhouse... rather than threw the HBO outhouse.

    Mike & Charlie ...
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    Ohh, Mike. You can't even spell your favorite abbreviation anymore! It's BHO.

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    "threw the HBO outhouse" so sorry ..had the TV on when I penned that typo. Charlie and my girlfriend said I make more sense if you just read every other word.

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