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    House Votes to Block Web Gambling Payments
    Tue June 10, 2003 08:26 PM ET
    By Andy Sullivan
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives voted on Tuesday to outlaw credit-card payments to Internet casinos, hoping to choke the offshore gambling sites that draw billions of dollars from U.S. customers.

    The House passed the measure by a vote of 319 to 104, overriding the objections of lawmakers who said it could encourage online bets on horse racing, lotteries and other forms of state-approved gambling untouched by the measure.

    The bill did not include criminal penalties but supporters hope to add them after the Senate passes its bill. The Senate Banking and Finance Committee has held hearings on a similar bill but has not yet scheduled a vote.

    The lopsided House vote masked the controversial nature of the bill as lawmakers debated for hours the best way to block unregulated Web sites while not upsetting the thicket of state, local and tribal regulations that govern gambling in the United States.

    Most Internet gambling is already illegal under U.S. and state laws, but those laws have little power over the 1,800 offshore gambling sites that are expected to take in $2 billion from U.S. residents this year.

    Lawmakers instead sought to prevent credit-card payments and other money transfers to gambling sites, an approach already taken up voluntarily by many credit-card providers.

    Some lawmakers said the bill could allow horse tracks to extend their remote-betting operations into states like Utah that allow no gambling whatsoever, or prohibit American Indian tribes from running their own operations.

    "You might actually consider it an Internet gambling industrial policy bill because we're choosing a favored class" of gambling operations, said Utah Republican Rep. Chris Cannon.

    An amendment to remove such protections failed by a vote of 186 to 237.

    Bill sponsor Rep. Spencer Bachus said such efforts would gut the bill, and noted that the online gambling industry has grown exponentially over the years as Congress has failed to act.

    "This Congress continues to take the occasion when this bill comes up to have a turf fight on gambling," the Alabama Republican said.

    The bill survived a bruising jurisdictional battle at the committee level and was pulled off the House floor schedule last week after backers feared they did not have enough support.

    Bad enough this vertical market is a spammers dream, but now those stupid enough to think they'll get paid for directing traffic to offshore or domestic casinos are in for a rude awakening. Face it folks ...if the gamblers don't have to pay for the losses the online casino operators sure are going to pay you!!! OH ...you can always sue them for back commissions .....LOL

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    Google couldn't stop the online gambling spammers. I wonder if the Congress can.

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    They are a product to push - just like any other. There are some respected and trusted names in the industry and not everyone spams. It is just like any other product. I hope they leave it the hell alone - but i doubt that.

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    I wonder how much impact that would make on the networks. Do they derive much income from casino related sites?

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    I think most people who really promote the gambling sites use networks dedicated to gambling, they pay better.

    Overall any law passed in the USA will still only affect US users and it will only do this in the short term, they will figure some way around it. Since it will not be illegal under this bill to promote the gambling itself, affiliates will still keep at it.

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    Spin that logic to Mastercard-Visa-American Express and Discover card when the bill gets signed. Online Advertising for casinos took a nose drive from # 2 category last year when some States and the CC companies pulled the plug on their own. I'm sure the hooked american gambler wants to get paid if he wins and renig if he looses. Problem is he won't be able to use his credit card for either deposits or withdrawls if a casino site or holding company is part of the transaction.

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    I wonder if anyone is making money helping people get out of their online gambling bills.

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    I think the Saprannos have that angle covered if you watch HBO.

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    heh, I see lotsa 'consolidate debt' popups in gambling's online future....

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    seems to me if the US lawmakers really wanted to stop the offshore flow of $2 billion, they should just allow the online casinos to operate domestically.

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    jimbo2002, are you donating any of your money to the guy who just bought the giant screen TV he couldn't afford?

    Looking at US credit card debt, i think the number of shopaholics far outweighs the number of gamblingholics.

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    I'm not into online gambling or promoting it but having the US Government trying to control Internet industries makes me shudder. What's next, online flowers?? All kinds of new taxes on Internet commerce?

    Maybe I'll start promoting offshore credit cards. Anyone have a recommendation? Or will Congress act to prohibit US Citizens from holding an offshore credit card?

    I can see it now "Get your Barclay's Bank Card online now ... it's free ... shipped to you overnight direct from the British Virgin Islands, or just use your secure virtual card right now."

    How about debit cards? Paypal? Are they going to get a boost from this ill-fated attempt at controlling international Internet commerce?

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    All kinds of new taxes on Internet commerce?
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    Yep, I'm betting that's not far down the road.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> jimbo2002, are you donating any of your money to the guy who just bought the giant screen TV he couldn't afford? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Donate? Heck no! There is no law against shopping or using credit cards to pay retailers.

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    Oh, by the way, if there is no ban on internet gambling, can't we all open our own casinos? We could do it in places where casinos are illegal, like Florida. Or open them in places where the gaming taxes are too high, like Illinois. Or just avoid those pesky background checks and go head to head with billion dollar casinos on the Las Vegas Strip.

    Here's how-

    We could package computers in slot machine cabinets and hook them up to the internet. They would be set to only access an off-shore casino, and we would set them up in a glitzy nightclub-like building. Technically it would be an 'internet cafe'. They could even buy time by feeding quarters into the slot (1 quarter is just enough time to spin the reels one time).

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    Congress can't do anything about it. If it's illegal in the US it will remain legal in Nigeria.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> 1 quarter is just enough time to spin the reels one time <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    yeppers exactly! No matter what congress does there will be loopholes. Kind of like right now taverns are allowed to have "gaming machines" as long as they don't pay out. Hmm.... BTW they all pay out.

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    I don't see this as the final end to promoting online casinos. Most casino affiliates have already adopted the mindset that US customers can't make deposits with their credit cards since last year. Although, the fact that it might be law now makes it a bit more scary for them.

    I agree with the others that it's just another product/service to sell. There are many casino spammers, but the same is true for mortgages, inkjet cartriges, etc... Anyway, I would never put all my eggs in one basket and that includes online casinos.

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    &gt;seems to me if the US lawmakers really wanted to
    &gt;stop the offshore flow of $2 billion, they should
    &gt;just allow the online casinos to operate
    &gt;domestically.

    Yup. They're applying a bandaid to a estering sore they creted themselves. What a surprise.

    But they've only killed off a revenue source for the CC companies.

    Watch the offshore banking industry react with glee.

    Thankfully there's no law against having a bank account in another jurisdiction, and wiring funds to it (as long as you account for it in your tax return).

    U.S.politicians will never shut down offshore trusts, because that's where they hide all their "campaign contributions".

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    I thought that online casinos accept money from Neteller which is an online payment system. This is pretty easy for the online casino patrons, they just need to transfer money from their credit card to neteller then from neteller to the casino. Just one more step involved. As neteller (and other similar payment systems) are not USA based company, the US can't stop it. They are similar to Paypal, but the US governemnt has stopped paypal from having any casino customers.

    Personally I don't know why anyone would gamble online. I can't imagine anything more boring or wasteful of money.

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