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    As an affiliate manager, I review countless affiliate websites daily. I've come across countless AFFILIATE websites that are offering clock syncronizers, schedulers, weather utilities that come bundled with various parasites. Some of these affiliates are "anti-parasite" but do not realize that they are helping spread them! I figured I'd post this here since I am seeing this more and more often to the point where I see it almost on a daily basis.

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    [This message was edited by Akiva on June 17, 2003 at 12:46 PM.]

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    Akiva: I have noticed it too When I have been reviewing my affiliates too. quite disturbing indeed.

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    Akiva--

    Do you approve these affiliates? Do you point out their wrongdoings? Not only are they hurting themselves--they're hurting the rest of us, too.

    Michael

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    Regular aff. programs are easy enough to watch, but with CPM campaigns it's easier for things to slip by.

    A notification would almost certainly be appreciated by anyone who's anti-parasite but is inadvertantly running their ads!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Akiva:
    As an affiliate manager, I review countless affiliate websites daily. I've come across countless AFFILIATE websites that are offering clock syncronizers, schedulers, weather utilities that come bundled with various parasites.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ditto,

    I don't approve them, although i must admit i don't have the time to write a personal e-mail and tell them they are spreading the plague...

    However, this thread did give me an idea, i am going to update my rejection e-mail to include "parasitic" associations on their site as a posible rejection reason and point them to the ABW parasite forum....

    Too many applications, too little time...

    Andy Rodriguez,
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    Parasite Free in 2003!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>However, this thread did give me an idea, i am going to update my rejection e-mail to include "parasitic" associations on their site as a posible rejection reason and point them to the ABW parasite forum.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The best approach for educating and letting unsuspecting affiliates know is probably going to be from AM's. Very good move Andy.

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    EmDub,

    I don't approve them - but I started finding these downloads on sites that are already in my program. Yes, I review sites constantly based on certain criteria. If I have time to send an email, I do. If not... That's why I posted.

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    Many times it's the host that spawns the pop up (ie a subdomain hosted at cjb.com pops up a gator downlaod)

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    Are these free-hosted sites (topcities.com springs to mind) or free redirects (like cjb.net).. or are the muppets actually stupid enough to do it themselves?

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    Unfortunately not all the crap in the commission pool floats on top. Many CPC and lead affiliates just plaster anything on their sites without even seeing if the DUPER, so called merchant paying them pennies, is spreading spyware/theftware. Basically anything that pays lead or click fees that promotes a freebee is a frontend for BHO parasites or spammers. Exceptions are few and far between.

    Mike & Charlie ...

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    I've seen it on private domains.

    They're affiliates.

    Akiva Bergstrom
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    Ya, like Leader said, I've had a few slip threw on me too, Fastclick has let a few slide threw, but they don't usually auto approve those even if you are set too.

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    I must admit that I am guilty on one of my sites.

    Years ago I incorporated everyone.net email into the site to let my members have free email with my domain (niche market, recognizable term, 5 letters in domain). I now have nearly 10,000 people using the email system through everyone.net.

    In the past 6-8 months everyone.net started incorporating parasite advertising in its pop-ups.

    I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I can't change Everyone.net, but I can't tell all these people who depend on the email accounts to shove off either.

    It's reaching a point I must do something soon - it's not lost on me that my own site is siphoning off my own revenues. I'm leaning toward dropping the mailboxes and accepting the alienation it creates just to be rid of the parasitic scourge - but it's a darn tough choice to make.

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    Look at the positive side of dropping everyone.net's free e-mail and portal tool features from your site. Everyone of those 10K users get spammed to death by everyone.net merchant partners so using that freebee throw away e-mail account is no great loss as few every check mail on there anyway. Just send out a notice to them about using Ad-aware or SpyBot S&D to rid their systems of the BHO crap shoved onto their systems by the wanks at Everyone.net.

    PS: Overseas spammers sure love the back door to use your free e-mail account as a spam base on their mailserver open relay bugs.

    Mike & Charlie ...

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    Makes me wonder... These affiliates that are spreading the "plague". Do they get a commission for it? If so, they may be smarter than the rest of us. Sometimes... If you can't beat them, join them. LOL

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    IceIsHot,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Compare prices and features of over 100 different web hosting plans. Visit my new reseller section. followed by forum spam<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I have to admit, it is tempting to fall to the dark side. LIKE INCLUDING WHAT MAY BE CONSIDERED SPAM IN A FORUM POST!!!!!

    Valueclick pulled this trick last year. You display valueclick banners with a javascript file. With no fanfare, VCLK included popup code with the banners. That means all the pages with Valueclick banners are spawning popups for gator installs.

    The problem is that any time you use dyanamic media on a page, you open the door for abuse.

    It is actually a little scary, VCLK owns one of the big three affiliate networks.

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    I have to admit, it is tempting to fall to the dark side. LIKE INCLUDING WHAT MAY BE CONSIDERED SPAM IN A FORUM POST!!!!!

    Valueclick pulled this trick last year: You display valueclick banners with a javascript file. With no fanfare, VCLK included popup code with the banners. That means all the pages with Valueclick banners started spawning popups for gator installs.

    The problem is that any time you use dyanamic media on a page, you open the door for abuse.

    It is actually a little scary, VCLK owns one of the big three affiliate networks.

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    Double Ditto to this...every application I see for the network gets rejected, but often not with an explanation specifically detailing the popup/driveby,etc...

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Ditto,

    I don't approve them, although i must admit i don't have the time to write a personal e-mail and tell them they are spreading the plague...

    However, this thread did give me an idea, i am going to update my rejection e-mail to include "parasitic" associations on their site as a posible rejection reason and point them to the ABW parasite forum....

    Too many applications, too little time...
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    We started our program on auto approve and quickly found out that was a bad idea - since January we have been reviewing every application by hand and even double-checking DNS records to payee names in order to keep parasites and cheats from using back doors.

    It is incredible the amount of "drive by's" we are hit with in the process. We don't approve these affiliates and we do send them an additional (non-network) letter telling them about the scurge of parasites and the error of their ways.

    I know everyone can't take the time to do this and neither could we - we had to hire part-time college students to manage our approval process. It's worked out pretty well, and we have everyone here at ABW to thank for educating us.

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