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    affiliate links on different website
    I have sent the question to CJ, SAS, Performics and Linkshare: do I need to re-apply for affiliate links if I want to put the links on a different website that has different url?

    So far, only linkshare has replied and the answer is yes. I am wondering whether I need to re-apply for the rest of the them.

    If the new affiliate links are just for better tracking (from which website), I'd rather use my old links.

    Thanks,

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    Linkshare told you wrong. Now I started a new channel and reapplied so I can track better. They have another setup, signature that you can use. But your links will still track if you put them on another site of yours.

    SAS, CJ, Performics, you can put your links on other sites too.

    With SAS, I listed all the sites I have links on. But you don't have too. Some people have hundreds of sites and don't list them all.

    With CJ, you can add new sites, which I do because I like to see where my sales are coming from. Each site gets their own id which will show in the reports.

    Performics the same. They had it where you could only list one site. Once you were accepted, you could put the links on any of your sites. Recently they made it where you can list more of your sites.

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    so in one word: all of them (CJ, SAS, Linc and Performics) can track affiliate link clicks on different websites other than the one registered with them.

    thanks!

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    yep

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    question along the same lines.


    IF I made a advertiser search box can i put it anywhere ?

    for example I make a sarch box for Walmart and allow people that visist my site to grab the code for walmart search box and put it on their site this is legit ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hideous
    question along the same lines.


    IF I made a advertiser search box can i put it anywhere ?

    for example I make a sarch box for Walmart and allow people that visist my site to grab the code for walmart search box and put it on their site this is legit ?
    probably not without their approval. when you apply to stores, they approve you based on what sites you told them. I think you'd need a sub-affiliate account setup to do that. But you risk getting in trouble if one of your users goes and puts your affiliate links on some porn or gambling site.
    I'd say it's pretty risky.

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    thanks for the reply

    I have found search boxes for a cariety of advertisers one of them is viewed over 100,000 times per week if only 1% are using code on own site this person is getting their affiliate code on 1000 sites a week via an advertiser search box.

    If (and I have no reason to doubt you ;-) ) what you say is true don't you think that this person would have gotten the smack down already ?

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    Hi Dealpigg,

    Just from a manager's point of view - when applying for programs, make sure that the URL you plan to post the merchant links on is included on your account. It makes the probability of approval go up if there is a match.

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    Hmm I can't seem to find any info on this other then to say I know it happens and I have seen it many times.

    An example is I make an ebay search box

    I have a links section and someone with a homepage can add the code to their homepage. Whenever they use the search box I would get a cut becasue my affitilate ID is embedded in the search box.

    Another example is google gadgets you will see search boxes for amazon ebay walmart etc embedded with affiliate IDs

    How is it that these people can do this if its not legit ?

    I know from looking at sourcce code that alot of these are CJ affilitates.

    TIA

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    Another example is google gadgets you will see search boxes for amazon ebay walmart etc embedded with affiliate IDs
    The eBay terms and conditions are brutally specific...

    a. Agents. You must identify each Sub-Publisher with a unique tracking ID (PID). eBay reserves the right to terminate any affiliate engaging in "Sub-Publisher" or "distribution partner" agent relationships at any time, at eBay's discretion, based on a breach of these terms and condition by Your Agent
    Anyone that you supply your code to with your PID would be your Sub-Publisher. I supply custom code to my site members all the time for their own sites, but they all get their own PID.

    Just because others are doing it doesn't mean it's allowed. It just means they either haven't been caught, or they have and that PID has been deactivated.

    So in a nutshell, I would say each advertiser would be different and you need to be sure because once your code is out there..... it's out there.

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    bobby131313 thanks for responding I want to know if you can answer more questions about how exactly this works ?

    1. How do I get these other sub-affilite PIDS ?

    2. I have a basic knowledge of Google Gadgets, I understand they are "usually" iFrames, but how do you insert a new PID ?

    3. How do I adapt a google gadget to my own website to be picked up by one of my users for use in a webpage and not an an iFrame ?

    4. If a google gadget user adds your search tool then they take the whole code right PID included?




    I dont know if its legit but I might be able to trade something for some knowledge or dontate to a cause on your behalf.

    I am eager to figure this out and wish not to wait longer then I have to for forum post to trickle in. I understand everyones time is valuble;-)

    Also If something is beyond my scope I am wondering if you freelance ? and might be willing to make some gadgets and like items ?

    I wanted to ask this later part in a PM but it wont let me becasue im a newb

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    The problem with newbies is the desperation that drives them to do things of questionable legality

    If you are not sure that it is legit, why do it?

    The rest of us are managing to make some money online using legitimate methods

    If you get caught, you may lose a significant part of your business. Think about it
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    1. Just set up another site in CJ
    2. Dunno, never used 'em.
    3. See #2
    4. Ummm... I would think they would get exactly what you built.

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    bobby131313

    maybe i am confused in regards to the sub-affiliate.

    From what you quoted above it seems that each person that used the IFramed google gadget would need their own PID ?

    Niche

    I am not sure what your talking about.

    I am here asking questions about this becasue I DO NOT want to DO ANYTHING AGAINST THE RULES.

    I don't know what I posted that made you think otherwise. I am sure that there is a way to make a search box and distribute it becasue many many affilites do it. If there is a certain way to go about it to make it legit I hope that someone will guide me.

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    From what you quoted above it seems that each person that used the IFramed google gadget would need their own PID
    For eBay, yes.

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    bobby

    Will you do me a favor ?

    I really wish I could PM this non-PM'ing rule is annoying..

    anyways ...

    Google "google gadgets" then search for 'ebay seach' the top google gadget is an iFramed eBay search box and its viewed 2.5 million time a week.

    This has 1 PID are you telling me that this guy has 1000's of these iFrames all over the web and he has evaded eBay finding out ?

    I don't know if eveyone is misunderstanding me or what here.

    So is this legit ?

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    You can beg here all you want for someone to tell you it's OK. I doubt it's going to happen.

    I quoted you the rule word for word. It's pretty blunt. You make the call. Risk getting caught or don't. It's that simple.

    As far as the Google guy, what makes you think that PID is active? I doubt very much that it is.

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    I see the rule and i dont doubt you i just want to make sure that the rule applys to what i am talking about.

    I have another question what if you

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    I see the rule and i dont doubt you i just want to make sure that the rule applys to what i am talking about.
    What else would it apply to?

    I have another question what if you
    You're grasping at straws now. You obviously want to do this badly so do it. But when your Iframe ends up on a porn site or on an eBay page and eBay poopcans you , you'll get no sympathy here, because "technically".... don't mean squat to eBay. Sorry.

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    lol I know that anyone person is quat to eBay believe me I am a seller I deal with it all the time. A price increase here a rule change there.

    Really I don't understand the hostility.

    I just want to understand how one goes about disrtibuting search boxes legelly.


    I just cannot for the life of me believe that there is a peron out there that has had a google gadget viewed 2.5 million times a week and that it could be against the rules and still there.

    Also ebay looks at the list of google gadets or I am sure did at one time as there is an official ebay google gadget and I find it hard to believe that the person involved in setting that up wouldn't have checked on who else had made them for ebay.

    Also there are many other persons that created these that don't get viewed quite as often I counted about 7 others.

    Now for the record i am not trying to argue with you or anyone else I am trying to narrow down whats legit and whats not.

    PS I happened upon that link before reading your post quite odd that you would link to a just read post. Nevertheless that post has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I am asking. And it appears that it was a copy and paste job which can happen to anyone even if they are following the rules.

    I have asked the ebay affiliate themselves as well I just thought I would get a faster answer here.

    IF no one knows how these others are doing it then no need to answer I guess sooner or later eBay personal will respond ;-)

    TIA

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    I just cannot for the life of me believe that there is a person out there that has had a google gadget viewed 2.5 million times a week and that it could be against the rules and still there.
    Tell me, how does eBay stop it from being "out there"? Please explain it to me. Do they email each and every site that it displaying it and ask them to take it down? Do they waste time and money getting a court order for everyone to take it down? Do they appeal to foreign governments for the ones on foreign sites? Do you think they have the power to make Google take it down? Do they pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to fight Google?

    Hell no, they flip a freakin' switch and turn off the stinkin' PID. Done. They couldn't care less about it anymore. I've said this 3 times so far in this topic, but you obviously are only reading the words that you want to hear and that's all. You keep insisting that because it's "out there" it must be OK.

    Nevertheless that post has absolutely nothing at all to do with what I am asking.
    It's a demonstration of what can happen when your PID ends up where it shouldn't. They wanted to flip the switch as mentioned above.

    I see now you've asked on the eBay boards. Someone there will probably tell you it's fine. Keep in mind that there is more misinformation spewed there than good information. Heck there's one guy that may sit up all night writing a step by step eBook full of affiliate links explaining exactly how to do it, just so he can spam the boards and disguise it as an answer for you. He doesn't give a crap if they flip the switch on you.

    But you're going to do... what you're going to do.

    My work is done here, this record keeps skipping and I'm taking it off the platter.

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    I understand that ebay can deactivate a PID

    I'll tell you what though if I was the one that made that gadget and they deativated me the first thing I would do is take the gadget down.

    I actually had a post all writen that I did not post becasue i didn't want anyone to get defensive.

    Basically what I did was an ebay search for 'ebay affiliate iframes' and looked through the first few pages.

    There are actually companies that write iframe tools for people and also some companies such as terapeak that actually have a search box you can embed on your site etc.

    Now all these people may have gotten special permission I don't know.

    I still can't find anything anywhere that says you can't have a search box on your site but displayed on others through an iframe.

    This is from the CJ rules

    this is found in the second paragraph under section

    2.2 Use of Links to Advertisers

    You shall not cause any Transactions to be made that are not in good faith, including, but not limited to, using any device, program, robot, Iframes, hidden frames, redirects or clicking on Links that You place to the Advertiser.

    i take this to mean that the use of iframes is not allowed if one is using them deviously such as an iframe cookie, etc.

    An iframe that shows the ebay search box I believe is in good faith.

    I do not see any other references to iframes in cj or ebays documentation.

    Can anyone else help me out here ? I see soooooo many people reading this thread over and over and no one other then Bobby is willing to attempt an answer.





    Update

    I was doing a search for 'iframes commission junction' and found this post of all places on abestweb ;-)

    http://forum.abestweb.com/archive/index.php/t-3450.html

    apparently this Todd Crawford works for Commission Junction ?


    If so then it would appear that CJ has no proplems with iFrames if used in good faith

    Anyone willing to comment ?
    Last edited by Hideous; March 9th, 2008 at 06:55 AM.

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    Hideous, I originally posted that according to the way I was reading the paragraph on Iframes that they were prohibited under all circumstances. After reading Todd's response in the thread that you referenced, I'm not certain that this is the case. I would be curios to see how CJ measures "intent" though.

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    Todd Crawford hasn't worked at CJ for a long time now.

    I would not assume that what he said back then is still valid now.

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    I don't know if anyone read the last post on that thread. It isn't quite the use I had in mind but another very helpful use of iframes.

    Make an ad space on your various pages an iframe then if that advertiser leaves etc you can swap out thier ad with another by changing the source info ofpage.

    Obviously this would be hugely powerful as anyone that had 1000 content pages on the subject of say skin care could change one page and viola all the adds are replaced.

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