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    Herby edited Icicle's post which contained the forwarded emails below.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Herby Olschewski
    To: Shawn Collins
    Sent: 1/23/03 5:52 PM
    Subject: RE: New User at iAfma.org
    I'd be the first to advocate the spreading of that link :-)

    I don't think you or I should do it though. Encourage Lauren to do so.
    If she make a post with it iAfma.org, I shall not mind at all ;-)

    H

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Shawn Collins [mailto:SCollins@ClubMom-inc.com]
    Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:42 PM
    To: 'Herby@iAfma.org'
    Subject: RE: New User at iAfma.org



    Do you think there's any liability in sharing that link, so people can
    see what a loon he is?

    I was bothered by his domination of that Times article on Monday - I
    haven't heard back from the author after a number of e-mails, and a nice
    copy of my book.

    Shawn

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Herby Olschewski [mailto:Herby@iAfma.org]
    Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:41 PM
    To: Shawn Collins
    Subject: RE: New User at iAfma.org



    Amazing. That man needs help. Seriously.

    It peturbs me he gets into the NYTimes. We have to combat him. Affiliate
    marketing is going to look like a joke if he gets too much airtime.

    Cheers,

    Herby

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Shawn Collins [mailto:SCollins@ClubMom-inc.com]
    Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:32 PM
    To: 'Herby@iAfma.org'
    Subject: RE: New User at iAfma.org



    I actually invited her. She contacted me today to share a voicemail from
    Haiko - [Link Removed by Haiko]>



    Shawn

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Herby Olschewski [ mailto:Herby@iAfma.org <mailto:Herby@iAfma.org>
    ]
    Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:28 PM
    To: Shawn Collins
    Subject: FW: New User at iAfma.org
    Importance: High



    A major rabble-rouser just came in. We have to watch her.

    Herby

    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: iAfma.org Forums Mailer [ mailto:forums@iafma.org
    <mailto:forums@iafma.org> ]
    >Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:20 PM
    >To: forums@iafma.org
    >Subject: New User at iAfma.org
    >
    >
    > There is a new user, LaurenStephens in the iAfma.org Forums!
    >
    > To view their profile, go here:
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    [This message was edited by Haiko on July 28, 2003 at 01:00 PM.]

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    that bastard!!!!

    he banned her and is still lying! saying that he didnt invite and didnt know about it!

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    Wow, my opinion of Herby just dropped a few levels....

    I don't post there due to lack of time, but all i can say is that it's a shame and I'm glad Shawn finally separated himself....

    Can we say - True colors

    Herby -

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    [mea culpa]
    Haiko -

    Sorry about the loon remark. An indefensible case of being green with envy over your accomplishments in the media.

    Shawn
    [/mea culpa]

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    wow, those people are truly sick...I wonder if they're capable of joejobbing those whom they're jealous about...scary sh!t.

    "If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?" -anon

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    Why the heck is all this cr@p from over 6 months ago being dragged up again? I did follow that link over, but couldn't make heads or tails out of any of that nonsense. Of course that's why I don't go over there to begin with. It's too cumbersome getting around that forum.

    There's some folks who really need to find some things to do with their time. I'm going to go be productive now and make some money.

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    Please take this the right way Haiko,

    Shawn "Lee Harvey Oswald" Collins, I think we all think Haiko is a loon in one way or another.

    BLFH, it is being brought up - ignoring the splinter reasons because Herby is trying to proclaim he is not iAfma, while begging for more money. But he is iAfma, it is not an origanization, but an individual who plays with the rules and misleads while putting on this face of just being the head person in an organization that allows its members to have a say.

    I think forum members here have more of a say in running ABE than paid iAfma members have over on that forum.

    Chet

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    Twats.

    Shawn Collins - you are unprofessional
    Herby -you are the biggest w*nker I have heard of in a long time. Shawn, can you tell you bum buddy what I said?



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    I realize I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but why would people have such a potentially slanderous discussion electronically? Isn't it the most fundamental of business practices to keep all negative [and potentially actionable] statements out of written form in almost every instance?

    * s i g h *

    Unbelievable.



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    Hilarious. Mainly because of the self-importance and cliqué-ness of it all. At the end of the day, who really cares what Herby said to Shawn and Shawn said to Lauren.

    It all reminds me of being sixteen and hearing that "Catherine told Vicky that Nick didn't like her any more and what a ***** Catherine is because she fancies Nick even though she's going out with Mark, who doesn't really like her anyway and called her a loonie when he was talking to Susan, who he's fancied for ages."

    Haven't we all moved beyond this stuff ?

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    Who are Herby, Lauren, Shawn etc.? Really?

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    My question (oh ok, I have LOTS of questions but this one is eating at me) is how did anyone outside of Shawn and/or Herby get their hands on this email?

    A woman is like a tea bag: You never know her strength until you drop her in hot water

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    PW,

    Was sent to me from Lauren (header below), might be another set up, may not ... I just posted it as I couldn't post it on iLaughma - I've been banned for 7days as I said that Herby could only sell so much snake oil!

    [Removed header for privacy and as point made]


    <font size="2" face="Verdana">Haiko


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    [This message was edited by Haiko on July 25, 2003 at 08:59 PM.]

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    Bizarre, eh? Why would Lauren have it? oh well, we'll probably never know but it's just one of those things that make you wonder.

    I read the whole thread over there, I think in deleting Icicle's comment they caused more problems then they were prepared to deal with.

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    Lauren and Icicle are sh*t-stirrers. I'll leave it at that for now.

    I really don't know too much about Herby and Shawn except from the obvious:

    Herby and Haiko seem to hate each other openly.
    Shawn has a competing shopping site. I don't know too much about either Herby or Shawn, other than what I posted and a few allegations which have been pitched around but that I haven't tried to verify.

    As for the actual content of the emails, yeah, sux, but not everyone will have nice things to say (especially when they think they're in private)! I think whether the person is an open enemy, or pretending to be a friend, is the more important part. Herby's made no bones about not liking Haiko, so the actions and commentary are pretty much predictable. It is the behavior pattern of an enemy! If he'd been acting all kissy-kissy to Haiko's face, then the emails would be a very low backstab indeed! But he wasn't. It would have taken a superhuman effort to resist that juicy ammo!! The fact that it disappeared from iAfma so fast shows he did manage to gin up the strength after all... (As for Shawn, I don't know...he seemed fairly neutral here/hard to read)

    On the other hand, the one (Icicle) who chose to PUBLICIZE THIS STUFF so long after the fact is the real blighter, IMO. The only purpose I can see for such a revelation is to stir up sh*t for those who won't do things Her Way.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>On the other hand, the one (Icicle) who chose to PUBLICIZE THIS STUFF so long after the fact is the real blighter, IMO. The only purpose I can see for such a revelation is to stir up sh*t for those who won't do things Her Way.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    And she succeeded too didn't she? In fact, by posting that she got a 3 for 1 special...got to take a stab at Herby, Shawn, and Haiko all at once.

    OTOH, maybe it's a good sign she had to go back 6 months to find something to drag up.

    Chet... When is Herby NOT asking for money?? So what's different now? Except he gave suspensions to some folks who had paid memberships? (silly silly to pay for a membership to begin with IMO).

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    This sounds like a soap opera.. Maybe even an award winning movie.

    Someone could write a movie script in this.

    Wonder who would star as Lauren, who would star as Shawn or as Haiko.

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    Leader,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The fact that it disappeared from iAfma so fast shows he did manage to gin up the strength after all... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Amazing what a few heated emails/PMs and legal threats can do no? The disappearing of those threads was because Herby did not want a legal battle, nothing more!

    There is sooo much crap about this guy out there that it astonishes me, even more so because it is 2003 - not 1903, that people actually "buy" his crapola (snake oil).

    I owe, I owe,
    off to iLaughma I go,
    to post some pledge drives and piddly wink affiliates,
    I owe, I owe off to iLaughma I go ...

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    B,

    Yep, appears so.

    [end of my posting on this subject]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The disappearing of those threads was because Herby did not want a legal battle, nothing more! ~Haiko<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ah...I should have guessed!

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    Sometimes, I just can't help myself. I have been jerking his chain for the last couple of days, as well, you know, only I, the super sh#t stirrer can. I expect to be kicked out very soon. LOL What a bogus jerk, he is.

    Well, a girls has to have SOME fun.

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    Sandra,
    Nice post over there about the begging for money and stuff!
    So very true! Wonder how long it will last!

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    He'll delete it before breakfast, that's for sure.

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    SSanf, great post. Don't forget, while there is no actual manifesto (those take money to write), I guess they need to change the wording on this page.

    http://iafma.org/member-levels.html
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    Geez. When it makes ME have to edit my own post a dozen times to take out all the bad words that slipped in there, you know it's bad.

    Good post, Ssanf. His implied crap burned my ass.

    If he delets yours, then I'll know I REALLY should have posted what was on my mind

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    Well, he didn't delete it. He did move it to Unhappy Valley > Miscellaneous Rants & Reports > Complaints about the member benefits.

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