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    Showing products that you don't really approve of
    I was just curious how everyone felt about showing products on your site that you aren't too crazy about.

    For example, let's say you have a site that features socks.

    You are totally okay with every style of socks except green socks. You have a moral disapproval of green socks.

    Now, there are a lot of people that love green socks and wear them often. Do you show the green socks on your site so that you can offer a full line of socks? Or do you censor those because you don't approve?


    Just to clarify a little, the items that I am questioning aren't pornographic or anything of that type. Just not my cup of tea.

    Thanks for all opinions.

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    I had said something about this earlier today. If I am an itunes affiliate, I can't control what songs (possibly parental advisory) people are going to buy through my site. Same thing with eBay. They have an adult section that you need age verification for. If someone just clicks through my banner and purchases something there, I get commission on some "dirty" money. It happens and there is no avoiding it. Now if it comes down to showing something on your site that you have issues with, then just don't do it if you don't feel comfortable.

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    It depends on why I don't approve of it.

    If it's due to moral or religious reasons then it's not going on my site. If it's just a personal preference with no other basis then I don't let that get in the way of doing business.

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    It depends on why I disapprove.

    For something like color or style, I wouldn't hesitate to run it anyway. My bestsellers are always, and always have been, things I'd never use, or things in colors I wouldn't want. But the GREEN from selling it is just as useful and beautiful as if I sell my favorite kinds of things--and, more plentiful!

    The only time I could really see censoring something is if it was printed with some extremely offensive-to-me statement (like some t-shirts I've seen, for example). I also stay away from anything that makes an outright political endorsement or condemnation--no need to piss off all the customers from the other party...better to have sales from both sides!

    But for the vast majority of things, whether to sell them or not is purely a business decision. I don't think it's a seller's place to play moral police.
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    ProWebAddict has it right - it depends. I may dislike backpacks, and would never wear one myself, but I still sell them. But I could never do a site promoting that other political party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettylou
    I was just curious how everyone felt about showing products on your site that you aren't too crazy about.

    For example, let's say you have a site that features socks.

    You are totally okay with every style of socks except green socks. You have a moral disapproval of green socks.

    Now, there are a lot of people that love green socks and wear them often. Do you show the green socks on your site so that you can offer a full line of socks? Or do you censor those because you don't approve?


    Just to clarify a little, the items that I am questioning aren't pornographic or anything of that type. Just not my cup of tea.

    Thanks for all opinions.

    Bettylou
    Well, just to give you my real thought about your ( except green socks ) example.

    If I have a candy site, and I want to promote a candy merchant, and I want to use that merchant datafeed, I may not promote that merchant because on their datafeed I discover that they have a category of candy shapes that represent some adult private parts.

    Not that I get ofended by those candy shapes or anything, but even by now that I have learned how to filter an entire category from any feed and that I can safely just list the other categories, I still may not put that merchant on my candy site.

    Why?

    Because even if they're just funny adult candy shapes, to me still is not appropriate material for my general family content site, on were minors may show up, click on a heart shape candy link, and wind up seeing a candy shaped like this , or worse .

    Just to clarify a little, the items that I am questioning aren't pornographic or anything of that type. Just not my cup of tea.

    Since I you say that those items are not por.... or related to those type of products, I would guess you also mean not adult related.

    So in that case I have another example for you, and this is based on my principles.

    If my site is related to t-shirts and I have only 's on that site, I will not promote any that goes against my principles. (something related to a very off topic issue here.)

    Everyone of us are free to decide what to promote or not, some would promote anything that would make them money, some would not let money come first.

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    Money thrumps Morals

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProWebAddict
    If it's due to moral or religious reasons then it's not going on my site. If it's just a personal preference with no other basis then I don't let that get in the way of doing business.
    Exactly. I'm not going to let money come before ethics, but I could care less about my personal preferences (colors, etc.).
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    To specify a little further, this has to do with my own personal beliefs of animal rights. There is a category, albeit a small category, that has to do with products that are for hunters or gun advocates.

    Now I know that I have always lived in southern Indiana where people eat squirrels and such (No, I'm not kidding!) but I am a card-carrying member of PETA. My shampoo, toothpaste, etc. contains no animal ingredients and wasn't poured into the eyes of screaming bunnies. Now the products in question aren't really part of the "No Animal Cruelty" beliefs that I have but they still make me cringe a little.

    I guess I just don't know if I should get off of my soapbox and learn to live and let live, or do I delete this entire category from my site?

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    Ethics trumps money.

    And there are things outside my personal comfort zone that I would not promote such as choke collars, shockers and other inhumane products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardwareGeek
    Money thrumps Morals
    Not to me!

    And especially after standing my ground all this decades.

    Money can buy sex, but not love.

    Money can buy liberty, but not freedom.

    Money can buy some people, I am not for sale!

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    But we aren't talking about you buying things or being bought, i thought the topic was on selling things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardwareGeek
    But we aren't talking about you buying things or being bought, i thought the topic was on selling things.

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    Yes, we're talking about selling things!

    Example:

    Would you sell Adolf H. memorabilia or books on your site?

    I would'nt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardwareGeek
    But we aren't talking about you buying things or being bought, i thought the topic was on selling things.
    This is where my struggle comes from. My husband says if they don't buy it from you, they will just buy it from someone else. Why not go ahead and give them what they want and gain the profit that would go to the other vendor?

    I guess I want to save the world. Yes, with my affiliate marketing ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sal
    Not to me!

    And especially after standing my ground all this decades.

    Money can buy sex, but not love.

    Money can buy liberty, but not freedom.

    Money can buy some people, I am not for sale!
    I'm with you. Morals thrump Money!



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    Quote Originally Posted by bettylou
    To specify a little further, this has to do with my own personal beliefs of animal rights. There is a category, albeit a small category, that has to do with products that are for hunters or gun advocates.

    Now I know that I have always lived in southern Indiana where people eat squirrels and such (No, I'm not kidding!) but I am a card-carrying member of PETA. My shampoo, toothpaste, etc. contains no animal ingredients and wasn't poured into the eyes of screaming bunnies. Now the products in question aren't really part of the "No Animal Cruelty" beliefs that I have but they still make me cringe a little.

    I guess I just don't know if I should get off of my soapbox and learn to live and let live, or do I delete this entire category from my site?
    Here in S.W. Ohio, squirrel hunting along with most other hunting is big business. I'm not a hunter although I do enjoy a good fishing trip. This seems like it's not just a, I don't care or am indifferent about these products, but a I dislike these products. If it were me, I wouldn't promote it if it bothered you in the least. First, you won't put your heart into the promoting the products. Secondly there are far too many other things you could put your time into that you would be able to promote without this dilemma.

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    There are many, many ways to make money. If you're not comfortable (at whatever level) with a particular product (for whatever reason), don't sell it. Simple as that. Find something else to promote... there's more than enough goods out there to replace the stuff that makes you squeamish with!
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight01
    This seems like it's not just a, I don't care or am indifferent about these products, but a I dislike these products. If it were me, I wouldn't promote it if it bothered you in the least. First, you won't put your heart into the promoting the products. Secondly there are far too many other things you could put your time into that you would be able to promote without this dilemma.


    But am I making a judgment call. I mean, on another site of mine, I have a section that shows various magazines. I filter the -naughty- titles out of the feed so they don't show up on my site. I am not a prude, I just don't want a 10 year old boy coming to my site looking for Sports Illustrated for Kids and seeing Do Me Doris instead.

    Am I just being one of those "book burners"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettylou
    Am I just being one of those "book burners"?
    The book burners, the truly (in my opinion) evil people, are the ones that try to get the books and magazines they disagree with shut down or "burned" permanently. Refusing to sell things you don't agree with isn't nearly the same thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettylou
    But am I making a judgment call. I mean, on another site of mine, I have a section that shows various magazines. I filter the -naughty- titles out of the feed so they don't show up on my site. I am not a prude, I just don't want a 10 year old boy coming to my site looking for Sports Illustrated for Kids and seeing Do Me Doris instead.

    Am I just being one of those "book burners"?
    I'm not a prude either, but as mentioned earlier there is a clothing line that is now available that I won't be promoting. It's just not my 'cup of tea'.

    You have the right to burn a book if you own it. You don't have the right to make me burn it because I own it. In the end, we all live with ourselves and that is who we must please.

    It's your website, you decide what goes on it. If this bothers you take it off. It's really that simple. Yes, someone else will sell it and they will make a commission.. who cares. To thine own self be true.

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    To specify a little further, this has to do with my own personal beliefs of animal rights. There is a category, albeit a small category, that has to do with products that are for hunters or gun advocates.

    Now I know that I have always lived in southern Indiana where people eat squirrels and such (No, I'm not kidding!) but I am a card-carrying member of PETA. My shampoo, toothpaste, etc. contains no animal ingredients and wasn't poured into the eyes of screaming bunnies. Now the products in question aren't really part of the "No Animal Cruelty" beliefs that I have but they still make me cringe a little.
    Ah...so it's more important to you than the color of socks!
    It's going to drive you nuts unless you delete that category.
    And business-wise, hunting and gun stuff makes it hard to get PPC bids accepted.
    So whack it.

    I guess I just don't know if I should get off of my soapbox and learn to live and let live, or do I delete this entire category from my site?
    You don't have to get on any kind of soapbox to avoid pushing what you don't want to. Deleting the category isn't soapboxing unless you make a statement about it. If I don't run something, I don't advertise that fact--the offending items just aren't there. And since I'm not trying to have all categories anyway, nobody thinks anything of it.
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    Marketing a product or category of products, in my mind anyway, is supporting that industry to some degree. If you don't wish to support an industry, it's okay not to. There's nothing wrong with making that choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettylou
    To specify a little further, this has to do with my own personal beliefs of animal rights. There is a category, albeit a small category, that has to do with products that are for hunters or gun advocates.

    Now I know that I have always lived in southern Indiana where people eat squirrels and such (No, I'm not kidding!) but I am a card-carrying member of PETA. My shampoo, toothpaste, etc. contains no animal ingredients and wasn't poured into the eyes of screaming bunnies. Now the products in question aren't really part of the "No Animal Cruelty" beliefs that I have but they still make me cringe a little.
    What? People don't eat squirrel everywhere? Next, you'll tell me that some people don't eat rabbit, frog legs, and snake.

    My beliefs in that area are quite the opposite of yours. Although I'm not a card-carrying member of the NRA, I have been hunting and I think just about everyone on ABW knows how much I like to eat meat (especially beef). (I'll spare you the details, though.)

    I would suggest that you stick with your convictions. You'll sleep better at night, and it really won't affect your income. You'll lose some sales from those who would have bought the hunting items, but you'll gain sales from those who appreciate your stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelColey
    My beliefs in that area are quite the opposite of yours.
    Most people feel that same way. And that is another thing that I am on the fence about. I would never try to pretend that I have never eaten meat in my life. And, while the thought of eating steak makes me a little sick, I don't think badly of you for enjoying it.

    I was a vegetarian for years. And now, I do occasionally have turkey or bacon. I know, I know, don't be wishy washy. But I would never go out of my way to encourage you to eat a steak or shoot a deer. And I feel that by showing a certain type of product that I would be doing just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelColey
    What? People don't eat squirrel everywhere? Next, you'll tell me that some people don't eat rabbit, frog legs, and snake.
    Michael, you forgot about 'possum!

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