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    Digital Download Products No longer allowed on e-Bay.
    effective end of the month, information ebook type products shipped digitally (email, download, etc) no longer allowed in the regular lisitings.
    http://www.ebaychatter.com/the_chatt...l-downloa.html

    They can be put in the classified ad section (didn't realize they had one).

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    I think that's largely a good thing -- nothing worse than seeing the same cruddy ebook on a gazzilion auctions. I wonder if they will do the same for the loads of 'turnkey' websites of various sorts. Also a pain to see those page after page.

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    Yeah, there's several kinds of products that are sent by email/download. Websites, templates, clip-art, etc.)

    Some people will get around this by burning a copy to disk and mailing, I guess.

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    It's really funny how these things progress. A few years ago eBay was showcasing the whole idea of digital DL and what a great feature it was...



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    Good! I recently had a guy selling something almost identical to something I offered free since 2004. Another person actually copied one of my photos for use in his offering ad. One ClickBank is enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesehead
    Good! I recently had a guy selling something almost identical to something I offered free since 2004. Another person actually copied one of my photos for use in his offering ad. One ClickBank is enough!
    Google "eBay VERO" for copyright infringement.

    We reported more than 500 + listing over 5 days but that person is listing on eBay. Those listing were removed but apparently, eBay just inform them and remove it.

    Getting sick of being ripped off and eBay says.. I will only act on listing reported. Which we have to spend hours generating that.

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    When eBay was young, it was a great place for everyday people to list items they found in their attic, books that were out of print, or old toys, among other things. Anything that gets them back to that is - to me - a good thing. Getting rid of digital downloads moves them back toward that, and I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Ewe
    Google "eBay VERO" for copyright infringement.

    We reported more than 500 + listing over 5 days but that person is listing on eBay. Those listing were removed but apparently, eBay just inform them and remove it.

    Getting sick of being ripped off and eBay says.. I will only act on listing reported. Which we have to spend hours generating that.
    Wonder what happened with the eBay rule "three strikes and your out" in this case? I suppose this instance would have been one strike.



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    This is wonderful. Do you know how many buyers and sellers have padded their feedback records via these 1 cent and 99 cent transactions? Daniel, again...right on the money. This does push eBay back in the right direction. A little less clutter for the customers goes a long way toward some good and meaningful sales. Now if we could just get rid of those mystery auctions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomers
    Wonder what happened with the eBay rule "three strikes and your out" in this case? I suppose this instance would have been one strike.
    Not if you spend > $10k with them per month. I was going to cry foul but crying ain't gonna get me anywhere. Spoke to our ac manager and he said, continue with Vero. Yeah, like that helps.

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    Thanks for posting, Simcat. I missed seeing that.

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    I wonder how this will affect affiliates who promote these types of products? Anybody know if they pay affiliate commissions on classified ads?

    There are a lot of categories in which ebooks can be annoying if you're looking for a "real" book. On the other hand, like Simcat pointed out, there are also a lot of interesting and original things that digital transmission makes the most sense for. Fonts, clip art, stock photos and stuff like that. Not everybody wants to charge istockphoto prices for their work.

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    Never mind, that was a dumb question on my part. Of course there are no commissions for classified ads- because the transaction would take place off of ebay, wouldn't it?

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    I think this change must be happening because the ebooks sold by digital download sellers would have an advantage under the "best match" system. In theory, no shipping charges should equal a 5 star rating on the shipping DSR for ebook sellers. In theory that would mean that all of a sudden ebooks would be displayed ahead of real books which ship by media mail and might arrive a month later, thus subjecting the seller to terriby low DSR ratings (even if the seller shipped same-day, media mail is sloooooowwwwwww.)

    And yeah, the feedback padding issues are even more critical when they affect what shows up in search results first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amysolovay
    I think this change must be happening because the ebooks sold by digital download sellers would have an advantage under the "best match" system. In theory, no shipping charges should equal a 5 star rating on the shipping DSR for ebook sellers. In theory that would mean that all of a sudden ebooks would be displayed ahead of real books which ship by media mail and might arrive a month later, thus subjecting the seller to terriby low DSR ratings (even if the seller shipped same-day, media mail is sloooooowwwwwww.)

    And yeah, the feedback padding issues are even more critical when they affect what shows up in search results first.
    Boy Amy, you're really on your game tonight.
    You know, while reading the eBay Chatter article, I couldn't help but think there was more to the story (than the feedback issue) than they were telling...



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    People are getting around this by posting a regular auction for software downloads on CD (with shipping charges), but they have a link in their auction to their eBay store where you can buy the product as a digital download.
    There's good, fast and cheap. Pick any two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomers
    Boy Amy, you're really on your game tonight.
    You know, while reading the eBay Chatter article, I couldn't help but think there was more to the story (than the feedback issue) than they were telling...
    "Best Match" is a particular pet peeve of mine, so it didn't take me long to think of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Evangelist
    People are getting around this by posting a regular auction for software downloads on CD (with shipping charges), but they have a link in their auction to their eBay store where you can buy the product as a digital download.
    Interesting! Thanks for posting this. I appreciate the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Evangelist
    People are getting around this by posting a regular auction for software downloads on CD (with shipping charges), but they have a link in their auction to their eBay store where you can buy the product as a digital download.
    The way I read it was that eBay was also banning digital DLs in store listings and canceling existing ones. I don't know how they'd get away with this...



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    I think its a good thing.

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    From what I understand, they are banning digital downloads in regular auction listings. You can still run them as classified ads.

    eBay Digital Downloads

    I know that people are using the method I described above because I just bought a digital download this weekend. I don't know if listing the downloads in stores is legit.
    There's good, fast and cheap. Pick any two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Evangelist
    From what I understand, they are banning digital downloads in regular auction listings. You can still run them as classified ads.

    eBay Digital Downloads

    I know that people are using the method I described above because I just bought a digital download this weekend. I don't know if listing the downloads in stores is legit.
    Ok, I see what you are saying. eBay stores have nothing to do with classified ads though. Any digital DL listings in eBay stores have been canceled along with auction and fixed price listings. Are you saying that they're including a link to an eBay classified ad? I bet that's against eBay policy...



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    eBay does have some sort of classified ad format, but I don't know what that is. That terminology is new to me.

    The article says that you must use the eBay classified ad format for digital downloads.

    Here is the original announcement.

    Digital Downloadable Goods in Classified Ads Format Only

    eBay is so immense that it will take them a while to police this change. There will be a dozen ways around it. I found an eBay auction yesterday that offered a plan to circumvent the new policy at a price of $0.01. I got a kick out of that one.
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    They could still allow digital download by simply making each product have minimum price of say $10 to avoid all the $.99 auctions. I think the problem with ebooks is that there was too much crap being sold and, as merchants got desperate, they also started to post porn-like images to draw attention to their auctions. The turnkey sites also got out of hand. Most are just crap that you can get cheap or free and they always imply that you can make all this money "if you promote them" which is not really realistic or true.

    I think cleaning house is a good thing for eBay. However, doing away with digital download altogether seemed a little too drastic. They could have just made it more difficult to sell digital junk.

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    You make some good points, Videobroker, except that I don't think a minimum price of $10 is completely realistic. It might work for some things, but most downloaded craft patterns and digital scrapbooking kits don't sell for that much money. But I think the point you made is valid. If there were some way of filtering out the junk, it would be better than what they are planning on doing, in my opinion.

    I don't blame anybody for getting annoyed at the "junk". The biggest problem is that everyone's idea of "junk" is different. I personally hated all those "I am leaving ebay forever" listings, all the wholesale list auctions and get rich quick ebooks. Good riddance to those, in my opinion. (But I think there are people who would disagree with me on that and want to see them stay.)

    BUT it also means the same restrictions apply for things I really value being able to purchase as downloads on ebay. It also means that ebay will be losing some links on my affiliate sites, because there is no longer any way for me to monetize some of the things I was promoting. I can't say that I am thrilled with the change. However I am glad that a lot of other people seem to be happy about it. Overall maybe it will be a good change even if I do not personally like it.

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