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    According to the blog, these are currently the ISP's using PHORM:
    BT PHORM
    Virgin Media PHORM
    TalkTalk PHORM Also http://www.carphonewarehouse.com

    If enough people dump their service because of this, it will stop.

    More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm
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    doesn't cox and comcast use the nebublu one (spelling)

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    Phorm is not spyware - Spyware is software that resides on a client computer and records all internet activities, and potentially serves ads (as in adware), as well. While similar to spyware, Phorm is located on the ISP's end, and hence, is not spyware in the traditional sense that users can remove it by removing a piece of software on their computer. What exactly to call it, I'm not sure, but it's quite different than the spyware issue. Maybe Intrusivetargetedadsbasedonobservedsurfinghabitsontheispendnotsoftware would be the best way to describe it, but I doubt that'll catch on.

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    Does a piece of software have to really reside on your computer to be called Spyware?

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    Spyware is nothing more than software that spies on you or your machine. So in the strictest sense, I think that it is.
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    Doesn't have to spy on your machine just on your activity.

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    Phorm is Delaware,US incorporated company. The company was originally 121media but changed it's name after problems with a downloadable adware product they were provided was considered by some to be spyware. When the FTC became involved they appeared to change direction.

    Their new concept is on the cutting edge of technology and possibly on the cutting edge of legality?.

    Their servers are based at the ISP and by a convoluted series of 307 redirects (see the diagram on the wikipedia link) they create a profile of the browsers habit.

    But the keywords they use are not only the ones the users enter but keywords taken from the sites the user visits.

    So if a Phorm 'infected' user visits one your sites they 'steal' your keywords!

    You may have spent many days and dollars optimising your site for those keywords but they are used by Phorm to present your competitors targeted ads to their users.

    They claim "we work on the basis that if a site allows spidering of its contents by search engines, then its material is being openly published. Conversely, if the site has disallowed spidering and indexing by search engines, we respect
    those restrictions in robots.txt."

    They do not have a specific user agent that you can add to your robots.txt. The only way you can block them is to block Google also.

    There has been much debate in the UK about the legality of interception of telecommunication (RIPA) or in the US http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18...1----000-.html (or possibly even the Fourth ammendment). Phorm's argument appears to be that those laws are to protect citizens from unwarranted intrusion by civil authorities and don't apply to adware (spyware)!

    This is just the tip of the iceberg other similar systems (Barefruit) can actually alter your page when it is displayed to the end user.

    If you thought it was a UK only problem - think again! http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=104559

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardwareGeek
    Doesn't have to spy on your machine just on your activity.
    Well yeah, that's kinda what I meant... I mean, it doesn't exactly look at you in the shower
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    This is just the tip of the iceberg other similar systems (Barefruit) can actually alter your page when it is displayed to the end user.
    Yes, ISP's switching out your 3rd party ads (adsense, etc?) and replacing them with their own.

    http://www.cs.washington.edu/researc...tripwires.html
    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...r-to-inse.html
    http://www.webmasterworld.com/google...se/3649194.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by simcat
    This even goes beyond the "Parasites Issue" or spyware. This is just plain old white collar crime (in spirit) that happens to be barely legal at the moment! One article mentions that the alternative would be hosting our sites on encrypted https pages! The analogy would be the paperboy pasting his own ads over the newspaper's ad of every paper he delivers.
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    while the technology is there, it doesn't mean ISPs will actually replace our ads with theres. When I first heard about the technology a few years ago it was more geared towards free ISPs, where they inject a frame into your browser for an add and the second frame would be the website you were visiting.

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    Some Congressmen just asked Charter to not continue with their plans to do this:

    http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...ssmen-ask.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardwareGeek
    Does a piece of software have to really reside on your computer to be called Spyware?
    Yes. The difference between spyware and something like Phorm is that a consumer can easily protect against spyware on their computer with products like Windows Defender, AdAware, Norton, Spybot S&D, while they are at the mercy of the ISP in the case of Phorm unless they happen to read into the ISP's policies and figure out how to opt out of this.

    There is no real difference in the "spy" aspect, but there is in the software. The last thing that consumers need to think is that Phorm is normal spyware, as consumers who already have spyware protection won't do anything further.

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