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    Mars Landing Today
    Didn't know but - http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasat...l?param=public

    also - http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spacevidcast

    Don't think I have Nasa TV with my cable package.

    So touchdown is supposed to be 7:53:33 PM Eastern, so another hour or so. The schedule - http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/
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    Thanks, Trust. I wasn't aware of that - and I'm an ol' spacy junkie from "way back." And I am a former Earth/Space Science teacher. WE don't have NASA TV here either, but the coverage on the links you provided is fine. Good find.
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    Success, it landed.

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    "The White House is Briefed: Phoenix About to Announce "Potential For Life" on Mars"

    http://science.slashdot.org/article....8/08/02/133259

    http://www.universetoday.com/2008/08...-life-on-mars/

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    This could go down as one of - if not the - most important discoveries/announcements in all of human history. Of course we're not expecting to find little green alien guys up there, but potential for life? That's huge.
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    Of course we're not expecting to find little green alien guys up there
    Of course not!

    We moved down here long, long ago.

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    Me and Mr. Sal were actually just talking about this and are in contact with your government to encourage them to just call it bacteria and not let out what's really there. You humans are just too curious sometimes, so were the humans on Mars, they used to be the third rock from the sun until we made a "shift". So I would stop digging, stop sending out radio waves that mess with our sleep etc. unless you want to be the 4th rock from the sun. Be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HecticDMC
    This could go down as one of - if not the - most important discoveries/announcements in all of human history. Of course we're not expecting to find little green alien guys up there, but potential for life? That's huge.

    Dan

    You are correct. This is another giant leap for man kind. The implications go far beyong simple life matter for all of us. Most people will never be able fully appreciate the full embodiment of this landing and its implications.

    From medical break throughs to materials, this is truly the next frontier in so many ways.

    Also, the countries that control space, will control the military land scape too.

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    We can't get a car to get 50 mpg but we can dig for water on Mars, even worse is that people believe it happens. It took us a few days to dig Baby Jessica out of the well for pete's sake and now we can dig on other planets all of a sudden.

    I hope they find Jimmy Hoffa while they are digging at least, oh wait I think he is buried on Pluto
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    Apples and oranges. Do you really think that trying to dig for the kid in the well, where her safety (her very life) was the primary concern is the same as shooting a rocket to Mars and just scooping up whatever random stuff they can grab?

    But that's not really the point... the overall skepticism that you and others demonstrate about the very existence of the space program... well, that's fine. If that's what you want to believe, that's fine. But answer me this - if the core problem here is that you don't believe in something that you haven't seen, then why do you believe that Pluto even exists? Or Mars for that matter? When you look through a telescope, you don't "see" Mars, you see a bright dot that scientists tell you is another planet. Where does the line get drawn? Are shuttle flights real or staged? You know what I mean?

    My father-in-law retired from a 40 year career at the Johnson Space Center last year. My brother-in-law still works there. I, myself, did network administration at Mission Control for two years. I can tell you, unequivocally, that this stuff is real.
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    I had much rather the goverment spend the money on making the United States energy independent instead of wasting the money on outer space.

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    Let me show some ignorance and confusion. I recall seeing and hearing about the ice caps on Mars back in 2003. That they shrink as the planet gets closer to the sun. I went to the local planetarium and even bought a telescope to watch them back then.

    Why is the fact that they've found ice under the surface so important? It's been my understanding that they've known the ice caps are made out of water and not frozen CO2 for many years.

    If in fact they had found some type of enzyme, a building block of life, in the ice I could understand the excitement.
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    My problem is we shouldn't be wasting money looking for water on another planet if that is whats really happening. We are going to have a problem finding drinking water on this planet eventually. We have a problem looking for cure for diseases here on Earth. We can't feed people on this planet why are we looking for stuff on other planets.

    You are right it is apples to oranges comparing baby Jessica to digging on mars. Do I believe the shuttles are staged yes, it goes up and probably lands in North Dakota for a week or so and then it flys "into our atmosphere" again when CNN needs ratings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyfalcon
    We can't get a car to get 50 mpg but we can dig for water on Mars, even worse is that people believe it happens. It took us a few days to dig Baby Jessica out of the well for pete's sake and now we can dig on other planets all of a sudden.

    I hope they find Jimmy Hoffa while they are digging at least, oh wait I think he is buried on Pluto
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgerBoy
    I had much rather the goverment spend the money on making the United States energy independent instead of wasting the money on outer space.
    If Christopher Columbus never had left Spain in search of the New World, you humans probably would still be wearing fig leafs in the woods.

    But anyway, for all of you humans that are complaining about all of the money wasted so far on missions to Mars, just because you think is nobody there, and that finding water on Mars is not a big deal...

    Well, we'll see what you humans say when another Columbus, announce that there is OIL too, on Mars...

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    I think that when private companies start (well, they've already started, but when they get more affordable) you'll change your mind. Private companies offering space flight - that's built on the strides that NASA and other international space agencies have been making for the past 40 years or so. And it's happening now.

    As for the budget concerns, the budget for NASA accounts for less than 1% (about .5% in fact) of all federal spending. We're not going broke funding space exploration by any means - the total budget is was about $17 billion last year. We spend about $200-300 million a day on the military (just getting perspective, not commenting on the rightness or wrongness of it). In fact, it's because of a decline in federal funding that NASA has been contracting out equipment and staff for the past decade. It's lowest-bid-wins in a lot of cases, between Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, and many others. Then those corporations turn around and sub-contract. When I worked there, I was an employee of a company that was contracted by Lockheed-Martin to provide network support. I was a cousin twice removed, so to speak. Back in the 60's, NASA accounted for nearly 5% of federal spending and they actually employed people and invented things. These days, it's nearly all off-the-shelf.

    Check out this breakdown. Actually read the numbers Budgetary concerns are not really a valid reason for discontinuing space exploration (especially considering that China and others are ramping their programs up, not down).
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    The technology to get cars to 50mpg exists - but you'll have to ask the oil companies when they intend to let industry take advantage of it.
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    .5% is .5% too much for me. I am glad China is stepping it up let them spend their money instead of using it to buy US treasury bills, which is the real reason why we are in a recession.

    The US doesn't publish how much money we are printing so why would we believe the numbers they say they are spending on space exploration.
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    Why believe them about anything then?
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    You raise a good point. Is there anything that they tell you that you don't believe?
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    Sure, but nothing on a scale like this. The space program has been going for over 40 years and spans nations... this is one of those cases where there are hundreds of thousands of people involved over the years, and you simply can't keep a hoax of that magnitude going for that long with that many people involved. I'm not saying the government, the U.S. government by itself, can't cover stuff up - but this is larger than just the U.S. government. Like I said, it's mostly run by private industry now anyway, with all of the private contractors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgerBoy
    I had much rather the goverment spend the money on making the United States energy independent instead of wasting the money on outer space.

    BB

    We can easily afford to do both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyfalcon
    My problem is we shouldn't be wasting money looking for water on another planet if that is whats really happening. We are going to have a problem finding drinking water on this planet eventually. We have a problem looking for cure for diseases here on Earth. We can't feed people on this planet why are we looking for stuff on other planets.

    You are right it is apples to oranges comparing baby Jessica to digging on mars. Do I believe the shuttles are staged yes, it goes up and probably lands in North Dakota for a week or so and then it flys "into our atmosphere" again when CNN needs ratings.

    Control. Period.

    He who controls space controls the world. Space is the next great military frontier after the the nuclear arms race.

    Also there are things we will want to exploit from these places w/o the need to transport long distances and the implications for verifying religious claims new materials, new methods of manufacture and the implications for the chemistry industry is enormous indeed.

    How anyone does not see this simply baffles me.

    This is a giant a leap as finding the gates of heaven, while you are still able to take pictures.


    Many cars get 50 mpg now w/ NO mods to them. Have for twenty years. Buy then drive.

    Also fuel economy is about ignorance greed and no one really wanting to stop making more oil.

    Inexplicably, the owners of major Trucking firms, Airlines Railroads, and Ship lines will not spend 50 million USD on a new engine, but will spend a retarded 535,000 usd on a bus that is absolutely unnecessary.

    These boys got billions and duuno they .... You get the idea. Worse, none of them will research it. EVER. Things go unchanged. I can tell you right now that if I had a 35,000,0000 USD/ mo fuel bill, I'd have that engine made ASAP.

    If my fuel bill was 1% of that I'd still make money on it. Why would a dude violate his fiduciary duty, and spent triple on a new vehicle rather than what amounts to 15,000 USD per vehicle on a new engine that has existed for twenty five years ? {15,000 USD is the going rate for this specific engine, BTW. It don't cost any more than whats currently in use now.}

    If Amtrak used this design, they'd post a profit. Permanently. W/o switching to new cars.

    There are many forces at work.

    Hope this helps.

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    Space program money isn't even close to a waste.

    Some incredible technology has come out of developments originally intended for the space program.

    This is an argument that can't be won though, as even my wife fails to see it. Meanwhile, she blindly looks the other way when 50% of "social" money is handed out fraudulently. Cuz that helps people.

    By the way, the day we stop funding space research, we should ban ALL auto racing as well. What a waste of resources that is. Sorry NYF....
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