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    Is this a good link cloak?
    Is this an alright method of link cloaking?

    Is the downside that the Publisher might not allow the affiliate sale due to the framed page?

    <head>
    <title>Cloaked Page Title</title>
    </head>

    <frameset framespacing="0" border="false" frameborder="0" rows="0,100%">
    <frame name="top">
    <frame name="body" src="http://publisher.link.and?affiliate&code">
    <noframes>
    <body>

    <p>This page uses frames, but your browser doesnt support them.</p>
    </body>
    </noframes>
    </frameset>

    Thank for any feedback at all on pros and cons of the above framing/cloaking method.

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    What is in frame "top" - your web site navigation? I think most merchants would frown on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afilyit
    What is in frame "top" - your web site navigation? I think most merchants would frown on that.
    Frame "top" appears to be devoid of any content whatsoever. As far as I can see it's a "0px" height frame.

    So, all one sees is the entire merchant page - with my sites cloaked link in the browser address bar.

    Does that help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afilyit
    What is in frame "top" - your web site navigation? I think most merchants would frown on that.
    For example, if I save the cloaked filename below as - nicemerchantdeal.htm - then clicking a link on my site to that file brings up only the merchant page - in a "0px" frame - with http://www.mysite.com/nicemerchantdeal.htm in the Browser address bar.

    HTH

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    I'm not an expert on this subject, but from what I've read,

    "Not all affiliate programs can guarantee proper credit and tracking if an affiliate url is placed in a frame or encrypted frame."

    If that's the case, it's a huge "downside".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afilyit
    I'm not an expert on this subject, but from what I've read,

    "Not all affiliate programs can guarantee proper credit and tracking if an affiliate url is placed in a frame or encrypted frame."

    If that's the case, it's a huge "downside".
    Hmmmm. Yes. I wonder how true that is??

    I was at a clients site t'other day helping them purchase an (affiliate) item from my site. My Site's cloaked link stayed in the client's address bar all the way through the Merchants' shopping cart process until it came to the "add this Item to cart" button. When the Add to Cart button was clicked on the Merchant's site the Item did NOT go into the shopping cart. We phoned the Merchant and I, as a cloaking affiliate lost the sale!!

    Whereupon I went back home and repeated the process with the same cloaked link - it worked flawlessly and added to the Merchant's cart with no problem!

    I'm getting hopelessly confused between "Don't let people see your affid and afflink" and "Cloak and Hide your id's and links"

    Between NOINDEX, NO Follow's, Google guidelines, Merchant's rules and AffID stealers I am just not sure which way to tuen or, even worse, where exactly I'm going any more!

    Maybe I'll just leave the plain old AffID and AffLink in it's virgin state and take my chances with "the unscrupulous ones" rather than the other penalties from the Big Search Engine and the Big Merchants. The latter two wiels a much more haeavier and longer lasting clucb than the odd unscrupulous AffID thief - it seems to me

    I'm confused and see no clear route to solving the issue.

    Thank you for your feedback Afilyit, I appreciate that.

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    If someone wants to see your aff ID bad enough there's really no way to keep them from it. Right click in the frame, view source, copy link. Even if it's encoded hexadecimally it can still easily be decoded. Other than someone maliciously using your affiliate ID against you by posting them improperly, why worry about it? You'll probably do a lot more harm by trying to "hide" it. Google's getting pretty picky about this kind of stuff too.
    If you're trying to trick people into thinking they're purchasing from YOUR site, my advice would be not to go there.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomers
    If someone wants to see your aff ID bad enough there's really no way to keep them from it. Right click in the frame, view source, copy link. Even if it's encoded hexadecimally it can still easily be decoded. Other than someone maliciously using your affiliate ID against you by posting them improperly, why worry about it? You'll probably do a lot more harm by trying to "hide" it. Google's getting pretty picky about this kind of stuff too.
    If you're trying to trick people into thinking they're purchasing from YOUR site, my advice would be not to go there.
    Thanks for the "Why worry about it?" phrase Boomer - I guess that's what I needed to hear.... I do appear, through my own lack of experience and misunderstandings, to have done a lot more harm to my monthly income by "trying to hide it". - Having an income generating page be Sandboxed by G. is certainly a "lot more harm" than 'maybe' getting my AffID picked off once in a while ! - thank goodness I've stayed away from "link exchanges.

    It's never been my intention to trick people into thinking that they're purchasing from my site. I just provide "purchasing assistance" for products and pricing.

    What does appear to have been the cause of my Sandboxing tho' is my gross misunderstanding of not only how to create an "SE friendly enough link" but also the dangers of being Sandboxed vs. the odd ID 'maybe' being ripped off by the odd unscrupulous one!

    My focus and paranoia was on "getting an ID ripped off" when it should have been on "not getting sandboxed".

    Thanks for the - redirection - Boomers. That helped a lot!

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    We would all prefer pretty links but the problems associated with making them pretty (for the average aff) is probably not worth the trouble. I used to use php redirects and started finding my links floating around loose in search engines and directories. I thought I had the redirects all locked up, but they're out there and I still see clicks from programs I am no longer promoting because of it.
    I'm sure there are excellent ways to do it but I am using my links "nekkid" and people still click them. Nofollow added, yes.
    Good luck.

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    Here's a neat little script. Just place it in your head section and you're done. Don't have to deal with redirects or other questionable cloaking methods. Of course, it's not 100% foolproof, but as others here say, "why worry so much about it?"


    <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
    //Visit rainbow.arch.scriptmania.com for this script and more
    //Hides all status bar messages
    function hidestatus(){
    window.status=''
    return true
    }
    if (document.layers)
    document.captureEvents(Event.MOUSEOVER | Event.MOUSEOUT)
    document.onmouseover=hidestatus
    document.onmouseout=hidestatus
    </script>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afilyit
    Here's a neat little script. Just place it in your head section and you're done. Don't have to deal with redirects or other questionable cloaking methods. Of course, it's not 100% foolproof, but as others here say, "why worry so much about it?"
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afilyit
    Here's a neat little script. Just place it in your head section and you're done. .... Of course, it's not 100% foolproof, but as others here say, "why worry so much about it?"
    This hides my text links from the status bar just fine but...... the hyperlinks on Buttons still always show - onmouseover ? (Is this the "...not 100% foolproof..." aspect of it?)

    Can this script be modified so that it works for Button links as well as Text links?

    Thank You.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspasa
    This hides my text links from the status bar just fine but...... the hyperlinks on Buttons still always show - onmouseover ? (Is this the "...not 100% foolproof..." aspect of it?)

    Can this script be modified so that it works for Button links as well as Text links?

    Thank You.
    Yes, part of the not totally foolproof aspect, but it's at least a start.
    Sorry, I don't know how to modify the script.
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    It might be just me, but if you disable my use of the status bar I'm gone. It spells something to hide.


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    "Between NOINDEX, NO Follow's, Google guidelines, Merchant's rules and AffID stealers I am just not sure which way to tuen or, even worse, where exactly I'm going any more!"

    You know, I've always used a regular affiliate link, copy and paste from the network. Never had an issue. I think in another thread you mentioned something about Google. Like I said, I use regular affiliate links, no effect on ranking. I have many pages rank on page 1 and elsewhere. Here it is:

    "Also, Google has decided to dump those pages containing that type of CJ generated link to about page 798 or somewhere!"

    I don't think so. That Google will dump a page just because of how you code your CJ links. I think people will worry about that sometime and they'll see a page go up or down and attribute it to affiliate links somehow but pages go up and down all the time and there are many factors for that, doubtful it has anything to do with the link. So one has actually provided any hard proof on it.

    If you're talking about Google, links and ranking, I always try to think like a search engine as far as that. Does the way you code your link have anything to do whatsoever with the relevancy of any given search? Does it make your page any more relevant? Of course not, so the answer is no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumpaw
    It might be just me, but if you disable my use of the status bar I'm gone. It spells something to hide.
    I believe most people would even notice that a "script" is disabling use of the status bar. To get to the point of believing that the majority of users are feeling this way, or are checking source code and finding other ways of getting around affiliate links is ridiculous. Most people spend very little time on any web page before moving on to the next one. The shortest distance from one page to another is a click, regardless of what that url is (again, I'm speaking about most people).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afilyit
    I believe most people would even notice that a "script" is disabling use of the status bar.
    True, but what percent of your users do you find expendable. I don't want to turn off even 1% of my visitors with a tactic that has no benefit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bumpaw
    True, but what percent of your users do you find expendable. I don't want to turn off even 1% of my visitors with a tactic that has no benefit.
    OK, let's put it this way

    You are going to lose "1%" of your visitors because they "believe" that the webmaster has put in a script that hides the status bar.

    Ok, fair enough. Now take out the script. Now you are going to lose 1% of your visitors because they don't like to click on affiliate links.

    See that point? I haven't checked, but wonder if anyone has ever did a study to show realistic percentages.

    I don't think there's a winning situation anywhere, other than do what YOU wanna do.
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