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    ill keep refreshing here, if you want me to ask stuff, just post it here....

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    "restraint of trade" springs to mind.

    Oh yes, and the fact that they'll never have an affiliate promote any of their products ever again.

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    ugh, this is getting ugly...

    looks like its time to send out a cease and desist letter

    they have no right to create a software that allows nonpaid users to access my site by blocking my rights to earn income.

    i consider this to be theft of services or piracy.

    i wonder how they would like it if i uploaded their products and gave them away for free?

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    Well I'm kinda pissed at Symantec since I created a nice page about how the infamous Norton SystemWorks Spam was a bad and nasty thing and urged people to report it, giving them the correct reporting address.

    I have a good mind to change it to "yeah, Symantec are theiving b*stards, so buy this cheap pirated version and let's hope they go bust"

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    I take it the conversation didn't go so well lotta this and a lotta that some of this some of that and a whole lot of this

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> they have no rigth to create a software that blocks my rights to earn income.
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    I would have thought the same line of thinking would have applied to the parasites? but apparently they do it and get the backin g of the networks in the bargain

    BTW BigTop you have a lithp (rigth)

    I got my parasiteware t-shirt
    <font color=red size="1">All parasites are scumbags and should be treated as such....</font><font color=blue size="1">STAMP EM OUT!!!</font>
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    they are effectievly allowing their users to gain access to my property without proper payment.

    so in essence they have creaetd a software that aids people in getting web content for free. if I put up a site with free mp3s or with free passwords, would this not be illegal?

    why is what they are doing legal? because they are symantec?

    and why is it called internet SECURITY? are they saying that online ads are not secure??

    webmistress, i think we have another conspiracy on our hands here

    i think THIS can be a very big legal issue.

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    put notices on your sites saying that if people are accessing your sites using blockers that they are stealing web content and that it is illegal!

    im having my programmer write up some stuff to block this.

    haha the irony here

    http://www.symantec.com/corporate/antipiracy.html

    [This message was edited by BigTop on September 10, 2003 at 11:51 AM.]

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    We could inform the world that you can make your symantec products never expire by [ Removed] before installing the product but that would be wrong wouldn't it.

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    Heyder,

    You know better than to post stuff like that!

    [This message was edited by Haiko on September 10, 2003 at 11:53 AM.]

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    It should be fairly easy to do, I tinkered with the Doxdesk parasite detector and you can use it to detect any installed app, so you'd really just need the correct thingies from the registry. It'd only be a very small script if targetted at these users, so shouldn't impact too much on page response.

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    In all seriousness being malacious isn't to our advantage.

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    Oh oops lol

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heyder:
    In all seriousness being malacious isn't to our advantage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    that may be true, but it sure will be effective...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigTop:
    stealing web content <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You don't own the ad content

    Are we "acting" or re-acting? HMMMM

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    You don't need to be malicious, you can use the javascript to insert a bit in the page to ask them to check their settings.

    So, you could use the javascript to detect the software installation and then add text to the page, maybe complete with one of the image sizes that's being blocked and say "if you can't see this, then you need to change your Norton settings".

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    Could someone post the javascript that would do that?

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    I feel that we are only reacting and that makes me crazy. Haiko, is there anything that we can get back to action?


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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Haiko:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigTop:
    stealing web content <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You don't own the ad content

    Are we "acting" or re-acting? HMMMM

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    i didnt say i owned the AD content, i said WEB content! do i not own my sites?

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    How can someone steal what isn't there???

    It's Your Money. You earned it. What are you going to do to make sure you get to keep it?

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    I'm going to take action. My action will be once I receive that javascript to detect the program I will send my visitors elsewhere.

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    ok guys, i lucked out big time!

    after being told repaetedly by some symantec receptionist Shelley 408-517-8000 that she was REFUSING to put me thru to legal, i started dialing around to find someone sympathetic to my cause.

    i found Michael Roske! he is the controller of SALES of all things!

    he acted VERY concerned at the possibility of legal action against symanetc when i stated that his company has created software that allows people to STEAL and that would hinder a webmasters right to a living!

    please feel free to email him, as he asked me to, his email is

    michael_roske @ symantec.com

    he seemed to be a VERY kind and generous person who wasnt really aware of the implications of this software... please be nice!

    he promised he will deal with legal and pass along all concerns and comments!

    i hope this helps!

    meanwhile, ill be putting up splash pages on my sites and no longer allowing direct access to any of them without them ageeing to terms specifically stating that adblockers and teh like are not allowed. if people dont like it, i really dont care!

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    BTW when this thing is running it causes abestweb to have "Done, but with errors on page."

    Now isn't that tampering with your page?

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    when i told symantec that they wouldnt like it if i gave away their product, they saw the light. i also told them this was being heavily discussed at several webmaster forum boards and most specifically by webmasters who have MILLIONS of people on their mailing lists!

    i also mentioned the fact that some knucklehead obviously never thought of THEIR own ads being blocked!

    idiots!

    i also gave them an extra ration of sh!t by mentioning that CALLING and IMPLYING that internet ads require "security" and that they are evil or even possibly harmful is VERY negligent!

    if you email this gentleman PLEASE do send him your pages that are being blocked!

    i also mentioned that they are taking away my right to collect and solicit advertising dollars directly, by blocking pages that i am using the word advertising on!

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    I'm not sure if you are progressing or not. I fear they may be humoring you while changing to their new phone numbers. I really do hope I'm wrong

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gordon:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> they have no rigth to create a software that blocks my rights to earn income.
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    BTW BigTop you have a lithp (rigth)

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    fixed!


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