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    Water Feuled Car Unveiled In Japan
    Heard about this before but looks pretty cool -

    http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...26714&src=news

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    We should look at that car they way Kennedy look at the Russians during the space race. We should strive to build a better version.
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    It won't help countries that are plagued by drought.

    Water Now More Valuable Than Oil?


    Ethanol has contributed to the problems that have sparked massive food riots

    Can you imagine what might happen if droughts get worse around the globe and water was being used like a commodity for automobiles?
    Droughts happen in the U.S. too.
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    It can run on any kind of water, according to that video - sea, rain, even tea works. With no processing needed, it's fair to say that water will not have too many negative points going for it - unlike oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HecticDMC
    It can run on any kind of water, according to that video - sea, rain, even tea works. With no processing needed, it's fair to say that water will not have too many negative points going for it - unlike oil.
    Fresh water is one thing, salt water is another.

    Three quarters of the earth is water ... not like it's gonna just go just away anytime in the near or far future.

    Meanwhile, we can easily get plenty of oil nationally without making the rest of the world rich buying it from them.

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    You are still talking about hybrid technology.

    Here's a quote with practical questions to consider:
    There's a big problem here: electrolysis requires energy. Where is the energy coming from to separate the water into hydrogen and oxygen? They claim that the car is self-contained, that you only need to add water. They don't seem to be implying that you plug it in at night, no suggestion of solar panels on the roof, or anything of that sort. [source]
    engadget
    has an article about this vehicle:
    The key to that system, it seems, is its membrane electrode assembly (or MEA), which contains a material that's capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction. [source]
    NOVA|Car of the Future|Beyond Technology|PBS has an interesting article about alternative cars and says this about the hydrogen:
    Hydrogen is a very interesting long-term technology. But hydrogen vehicles are not anywhere near ready for the market yet. They're too expensive, the fuel cells are not durable enough, and of course we have the problems of storing hydrogen on board the vehicle. So in the next 10 or 15 years, I don't think we're going to see hydrogen have a significant impact on the transportation system.
    We can get oil from bugs

    This is an article from the British newspaper TIMESONLINE: Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol

    Let's use those bugs before we drill and ruin the beautiful ecosystem and land of Alaska.

    The Japanese "water car" will probably end up with the collection of other notable cars at the Whitney Museum of American Art.

    There was a time when only the very rich had cars; everyone else traveled via horses or horse-powered vehicles -- maybe horses should be considered again [Rhia7 likes horses]

    I noticed during my "research" that there are many marketers scamming people by charging them for e-books, pdf files, etc., with the promise that people can use water for fuel now to save money. As PT Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute."
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    Hey, I'm not saying this thing is going to be the be-all, end-all, final solution to all our woes. I'm simply saying that when you hold up water next to oil, there's no comparison as far as abundance and renewability (if that's a word ).

    Rexanne, the video specifically said that that particular vehicle will run on either salt or fresh water (they actually say "all" kinds of water). I don't disagree that we should be drilling within our borders where possible. We should be - as long as we don't say "okay, we're drilling at home now, no need to look for alternatives in the long term". I think there needs to be a balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HecticDMC
    I don't disagree that we should be drilling within our borders where possible. We should be - as long as we don't say "okay, we're drilling at home now, no need to look for alternatives in the long term". I think there needs to be a balance.
    A balance would be a huge improvement over what's going on now.
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    Agreed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    You are still talking about hybrid technology.
    Details are minimal, but if I read the articles on this car right they are not using electrolysis to break the water apart, but are using a separate process to break it. I'd guess this car costs more than coastal real estate, but it probably is a clean alternative.

    The "water powered" car ads you may be seeing online are bunk. You can't use electrolysis to make enough H2 to power a car unless you have more than enough electric power to drive it anyhow. Conservation of energy and all that...
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    Details are minimal,
    They usually are on bunk stories like this.

    Energy is created by a reaction, and god knows what they would have to have in that box to create a reaction enough to power a car. Probably not too efficient, $$$ wise.

    But I am rooting for a water powered, solar powered, etc. car someday.

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    RE: the add water to your gas guzzler has an historical precedent - the high powered internal combustion engines of the driven fighter planes of the WW2 era were often equipped with a small tank of water that was injected in the air intake manifold when the pilot pushed a 'boost button'. This water vapor expanded as steam during the internal combustion cycle and because steam at high temperature expands many fold, the developed power increased significantly. Pilots did not use this boost all of the time because it strained the motor but it was a valuable tool to help a heavily loaded plane take off or add performance in a dog fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simcat
    But I am rooting for a water powered, solar powered, etc. car someday.
    I'm rooting for the return of Rickshaws

    If they were good enough to be used in the streets of Paris during the 17th and 18th century, heck they're worth another shot.

    In many major cities [of the United States], because yellow cabs licenses medallions are artificially capped, bicycle rickshaws have been used for about a decade.

    Rickshaws are still present on the boardwalk of Atlantic City, N.J. They transport gamblers from one casino to another.
    Bicycle rickshaws would be fun to sell online -- a great affiliate item
    Or at least they could be related [as curio items] to the sale of regular bicycles and related accessories/biking gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcwaller
    ... but if I read the articles on this car right they are not using electrolysis to break the water apart, but are using a separate process to break it.
    Cite the articles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    Let's use those bugs before we drill and ruin the beautiful ecosystem and land of Alaska.
    I say drill the world. If it's ok to drill in a Federal Wildlife Refuge here in Louisiana, then we should be able to drill anywhere. While the greens fuel up they should ponder who's environment is it ok to take oil from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by micheck
    RE: the add water to your gas guzzler has an historical precedent - the high powered internal combustion engines of the driven fighter planes of the WW2 era were often equipped with a small tank of water that was injected in the air intake manifold when the pilot pushed a 'boost button'. This water vapor expanded as steam during the internal combustion cycle and because steam at high temperature expands many fold, the developed power increased significantly. Pilots did not use this boost all of the time because it strained the motor but it was a valuable tool to help a heavily loaded plane take off or add performance in a dog fight.
    Mostly correct, but it was not the expansion of water to steam that caused the power boost. The water cools and slows the combustion process, allowing greater power production without detonation. I've know people to add water (truly water/alcohol) injection to race engines or high performance car engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    Cite the articles.
    http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...080613/153276/

    "According to Genepax, the main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction."

    There are a number of potential ( and who knows how far off these are from being commercially viable) ways to get H2 from water:

    http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Hydrogen_from_Water
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    Hydrogen Cars Are The Wave Of The Future.....
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    Fuel cells are not necessary and are a dumb idea. Once the Automotive world realises this, the revolution will take a huge turn.

    Also, "water powered cars", as they are often derided, are capable of reducing the worlds oil production needs by nearly 70% . ~ That's how much is used for unnecessary things like gas.

    BumpAw

    In a way I see your point. but this not a solution. these cars {& semi trucks, ships ect} could be produced tomorrow with little effort since all the hardware has existed for 30 years.

    Unfortunately greed, ignorance, & fear rules the roost and people don't really wanna lose OR change HOW they get paid, so they are trying to separate hydrogen from oil & coal, use batteries & use crap like fuel cells that are NOT needed at all.

    complete redesigns are not necessary again, the hardware already exists & the mounting brackets do not need to change at all.

    At that point you could get a gallon of distilled water at Wal*Mart for 68 cents. Or get it from your garden hose.

    When traveling, gas stations restaurants, all sort of places already have the infrastructure in place to provide this service.

    Imagine Motel packages coming with a free fill up instead of a rental car ? This is a fraction of what will be on the horizon in the future and many respected automakers produce these & have for 20 years. Some More. MAN is one of these more recent players.

    It is such a simple simple thing. Just that many want to drag this out as long as possible. No matter how good it really is.

    One last thing. GE produces a commercial sized version of one of these. A bad idea, due to its enormous size. It has been about for around a year.

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    To me the best solution is just pure electric cars. That way we can get the electricity from a huge variety of sources. Get rid of "fuel" altogether, both oil and hydrogen.

    Sure Oil companies don't mind hydrogen cars as they will probably be the ones to sell us the hydrogen in the long run.

    Soon as battery technology catches up and we can get 300MPC (miles per charge), and a quick charge it will be an easy solution.

    I would prefer to choose where I get my electricity from whether it's the electric company or if I decide to put up a small array of solar panels.

    T. Boone Pickens is investing billions in a massive windfarm in TX as he is one that recognizes alternative energy sources are just as valuable and lucrative as oil.

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    How about "The Joseph Newman's Machine"

    Has anyone here seen his video?

    The Joseph Newman's Machine full video ( updated on 10-22-07 )

    Note: That video is 38:18 minutes long, it's the first video on that page, it's a Google video.

    Btw, it's about an special electric motor, no gas, no water, so just think about another way that you may one day will run your car motor.

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    Just saw this pop up:

    "Honda rolls out a new zero-emission car
    FCX Clarity uses hydrogen, electricity; set for Hollywood debut"

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25190604/wid=18298287

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trust
    Good way to kick things off -- give it the Hollywood Razzle Dazzle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trust
    Just saw this pop up: "Honda rolls out a new zero-emission car
    FCX Clarity uses hydrogen, electricity; set for Hollywood debut"
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25190604/wid=18298287
    and a good deal too with "three-year lease will run $600 a month, which includes maintenance and collision coverage"

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    I'd like to pay $600 a month for a car worth "less" than a million dollars! I bet I'll see it around, since one of the first people to get one lives nearby and I've seen his old one (that one cost Honda a million) a number of times.
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