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    Its not the (COC) crock of crap that is a piece of shit, it is the pieces of shit that drew it up and were suposed to implement it that are the real pieces of shit.

    Alongside the real pieces of shit are other pieces of shit known as parasites, these guys are truly big pieces of shit.

    They steal from anyone and everyone and have the cheek to try to bullshit their way out of the shit they got themselves into with the help of the real pieces of shit, thanks to the pieces of shit that drew the crock of crap up in the first place and made it so easy for the real pieces of shit to allow the big pieces of shit to thrive.

    If this offends anyone (apart from P Nichols the biggest ) please remove it.

    I got my parasiteware t-shirt
    <font color=red size="1">All parasites are scumbags and should be treated as such....</font><font color=blue size="1">STAMP EM OUT!!!</font>
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    [edited to CYA Gman]

    [This message was edited by Haiko on September 15, 2003 at 11:56 PM.]

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    im not offended!

    just makes a person wonder what you call the people who are still USING cj???

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    Seems to be a useful summary worthy of a NY Times byline.

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    The COC does work - "for parasites and for networks".

    It was desinged to be a CYA for the networks and clearly pushed responsibilities for "if theft is an acceptable business practice or not" as a choice of a merchant rather than a liability decision of "a trusted third party".

    This giant step was made with little forethought or participation by merchants yet it pushed most of the liability right square dab in the merchants lap (in my opinin anyway).

    The networks clearly said they would not play the role of "trusted third party" on this issue.

    Keep in mind too that these networks are competitors and do not want to do anything together "other than do a CYA that mutually benefits them all".

    What I percieve as "the real goals of the formation of the coc" were accomplished.

    The COC may have been pre-sold to affiliates that the trusted third parties were acting responsibly as it would disallow diversions and have a 60 day threshold in which time parasites had to comply - but how long has it been since last November anyway?

    It's been much longer than 60 days and not a single parasite that was identified at that time in abw (when the coc was formed and 60 days comply went forward) has been banished from the networks although repeated diversions have occurred and been documenhted time and time again. Ebates MMM application has been shown out of compiance time and time again diverting commissions and they are still on CJ's main login page as a success story - "wow".

    These "competing networks" have no desire to jointly get together and enforce the coc. They do want to string affiliates and merchants along as long as they can while they line their pockets with cash from the profits they get from sales they get a cut of that would otherwise not go thru the affiliate channel at all if the parasites were not in existance.

    While I certainly don't want to reduce the issues of diversions by parasites against affiliates, I'm willing to bet that the main profits obtained by the networks from parasites are the diversions that occur on visitors going directly or indirectly to a merchants site from a bookmark, a direct type in, a search engine hit, a link in a promotional email from a merchant and even ppc ad from merchants themselves. These diversions where the network gets a cut on sales that would never have gone thru the "affiliate channel" are likely much more than diversions being done in the affiliate channel.

    The networks clearly do not want this revenue stream cut off and are not going to enforce the coc in any way shape or form that the overall parasitic model is jeopardized.

    To think these same competing networks would develop systems for common filing of violations as well as reporting against them by a committee or otherwise is something that hasn't happened and you sure better not hold your breath on it either.

    If they can't develop a system for violation filing and reporting of violations do you really think they are going to develop sophisticated systems to detect, deter and or prevent violations? Don't hold your breath!

    There are some merchants who are "really awake to the issues" of the parasitic model but most are dumbfounded and as long as they can be suckered by the networks telling the merchant "they are in compliance" is nothing but a sure fire way to continue to string along merchants.

    The networks have a huge financial interest in seeing the parasitic model work.

    Affiliates themselves will likely never conquere or address the issues of the parasitic model. It will take a specialized affiliate organization dedicated to the effort "with financial support" or it will take a collective effort from a group of "savy AM's".

    Until "a dedicated group" can effectively convince merchants on a large scale that the parasitic model steals profits "from the merchants" the struggles we see will continue.

    We ***** "we affiliates are being stolen from" and this clearly is not heard or cared to much about by merchants on a huge scale because they continue to partner with parasites on massive scales fed by the compliance propaganda. The merchants will only re-act when they realize "they are being stolen from in much larger percentages" than we are and that they have and continue to be played "for suckers".

    One other option for potential massive change is avaliable via a lawsuit against a merchant for knowingly undermining affiliate contracts. Merchants should not have the right to allow one partner to divert commissions from another partner and doing so is unethical in my opinion and should be tested legally. Doing this "wont make the coc work" and will likely only force the reponsibilities back onto the networks.

    In either case - it'll likely be a very long drawn out battle before it is ever effectively addressed. Are we prepared to engage the enemy?

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    Why give parasites unlimited cookie durations and credit for sales where they divert our users and overwrite our cookies. PP merchants directly support what many consider unfair trade practices and thievery!
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    Astute observation Happypoon. Merchant's partnering with parasites are shielded by AM's who are not acting in the merchants best interests.

    "Affiliates themselves will likely never conquere or address the issues of the parasitic model. It will take a specialized affiliate organization dedicated to the effort "with financial support" or it will take a collective effort from a group of "savy AM's".


    New AM management firms, run by real folks wearing the online sales managers hat, will gather in wise merchant accounts and boot out the BHO interlopers from those programs. Time to inform one merchnat at a time their AM's are robbing them blind ...and replace those AM's with a pro-affiliate sales oriented manager. Law suits will be filed to keep BHO's off these merchants sites and no phone calls will be allowed from networks or guys like Afftrac pushing profit eating loyality shopping programs.

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    It's been much longer than 60 days and not a single parasite that was identified at that time in abw (when the coc was formed and 60 days comply went forward) has been banished from the networks although repeated diversions have occurred and been documenhted time and time again. Ebates MMM application has been shown out of compiance time and time again diverting commissions and they are still on CJ's main login page as a success story - "wow".
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    Yes, CJ continues to rub ebates in our faces on their home screen, just a brilliant PR move on their part. The only way that could be more irritating to affiliates is if they drew in a little cartoon bubble beside him saying, "Nyyyaaaahhh, Nyyyyyaaahhhhh."

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    This is your affiliate network -
    This is your affiliate network on Parasites -

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Yes, CJ continues to rub ebates in our faces on their home screen, just a brilliant PR move on their part. The only way that could be more irritating to affiliates is if they drew in a little cartoon bubble beside him saying, "Nyyyaaaahhh, Nyyyyyaaahhhhh."
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Oh, please, EC - don't give them any ideas! I get irritated every time PN's ugly mug shows up on the CJ home page. They are promoting a company that is unethical at the very least. I'm surprised that they really want that on the home page.

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    Nichols and his insider promoters pay to have the Advert there. Gives those merchants a warm fuzzy feeling when cutting huge checks for ebates effective thievery campaign.

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    If the COC worked, a representitive would be in here telling us more than "nothing".

    Ebates is actively overwritting "again" and if past history repeats itself, we'll not hear a single peep from a COC rep concerning the issue.

    A couple of things seem very obvious - the coc will do nothing to protect our rights and we will continue to be stolen from "more and more".

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    Why give parasites unlimited cookie durations and credit for sales where they divert our users and overwrite our cookies. PP merchants directly support what many consider unfair trade practices and thievery!
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    Oh, I bet I know why they haven't popped in here - they are probably too busy calling eachother so they can have a followup COC meeting to address unresolved issues in late November, lol.

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    I'm not sure we have the power, the structure or finances to fight the parasites through the legal channels. However, I recall from last year that when we all stood up and screamed about the injustices that were going on, WE WERE HEARD! I think we just need to be a little LOUDER this time. We start complaining to our merchants...start dropping them...and we get this information out to the News Media. Nothing will get the attention of these affiliate marketing companies faster than their name in the news media (in a bad light).

    And we don't let CJ and others draw us into some meeting where they make us think we had a part in the writing of the COC (when in fact we got nothing out of that). I sincerely thank those who went and made an effort on our parts, but after many months it is clear the COC is worthless. We all wasted our valuable time trying to get this magical COC in place only to find out there was no magic. Well, maybe Black Magic!!!!

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    Don't hold your breath waiting for Wayne to volunteer afftrac stat charts showing when the BHO on/off switches get pulled. Nice move for the outsiders to fill the peanut gallery with ABWer pro-affiliate voices, and swap Overstock's Shawn with someone more closely aligned with TopMoxie. Someone couldn't trust a phone call to Patrick Byrnes, during the event, causing the the perps to not dictate the verbage. Bad enough Stephen Messer's ethics put a damper on a unanimous endorsement of the CoC.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elbowcreek:
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    Yes, CJ continues to rub ebates in our faces on their home screen, just a brilliant PR move on their part. The only way that could be more irritating to affiliates is if they drew in a little cartoon bubble beside him saying, "Nyyyaaaahhh, Nyyyyyaaahhhhh."

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    cartoon? did someone say cartoon?



    excellent segway!

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    If parasitic activity is not made eventually illegal, the time will come when there will be nothing left but these "Super-Predators".

    They will devour everything in their path. Small and medium affiliates will become extinct.

    The networks are so Blinded By Greed that they cannot see that they are Destined to become the Last victims of the monsters they are helping to create.

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