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    (2008) Google and Link Cloaking
    This thought crossed my mind last night as I was falling asleep.

    If you're cloaking links on your site - any link, not just an affiliate link - doesn't that mean that you don't need a nofollow and that you're not giving any link juice to the final destination?

    Say I've got redirection set up like this:

    www.<>.com/visit?my-custom-text where in the visit.php file, I do the redirects.

    Does Google get through that? Do they follow the link into the visit.php file, then end up at the destination? Because if not, it seems to me that it neatly solves the problem of having too many outbound links or too many affiliate links.

    Anyone know?
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    As long as visit.php is in your robots.txt file, google shouldn't follow the link.

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    but whats the problem with using a no-follow?

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    I highly recommend using both the robots.txt and the nofollow attribute. Spiders regularly ignore the robots.txt file. Google admits that they only periodically check the file. I've seen pages that were removed a year ago still show up in Google's index even when they are blocked by the robots.txt file. Search engines will periodically visit any page that shows up in their index.

    I also include a routine in my redirection file that detects a spider and displays a blank page with a noindex meta tag. That should always stop a spider from following a link.

    Spiders will follow links with the nofollow attribute. They just aren't supposed to count them or pass link juice to the receiving page.
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    I think it depends on how it's cloaked. If you use a javascript "onclick" that loads the next page from a javascript function, as I understand it, Google won't follow...



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    An example here.

    Code:
    <a onclick="x=window.open('http://www.your-affiliate-link')" href="#">
    what-you-want-the-link-to-say-here</a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgerBoy
    An example here...
    Whata team!



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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgerBoy
    An example here.

    Code:
    <a onclick="x=window.open('http://www.your-affiliate-link')" href="#">
    what-you-want-the-link-to-say-here</a>

    This is great advice, can anyone suggest or direct me to the best place to learn more?

    Thanks great job guys ... we will all prosper as a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikejonessmith
    This is great advice, can anyone suggest or direct me to the best place to learn more?

    Thanks great job guys ... we will all prosper as a team.
    you could copy this text 'javascript link cloaking' (without the quotes) and then paste it into the big field on Google. then press the [ Google Search ] button. Google will provide many pages of interesting links related to this. you can look at any of the pages by clicking the blue links. you should find something to help in less than 5 minutes - it's amazing!!

    superCool has tried this Google thing and it really does work!!

    superCool is on the team!!

    GO TEAM!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by superCool
    you could copy this text 'javascript link cloaking' (without the quotes) and then paste it into the big field on Google. then press the [ Google Search ] button. Google will provide many pages of interesting links related to this. you can look at any of the pages by clicking the blue links. you should find something to help in less than 5 minutes - it's amazing!!

    superCool has tried this Google thing and it really does work!!

    superCool is on the team!!
    GO TEAM!!!

    You are outstanding ... very helpful. Thanks for taking time out of your life/day to direct me to GOOGLE.

    That is what sincere help is all about.

    I might have hoped after reading this post and spending hours on the "Google thing" someone intelligent that learned all about this subject might have learned it from a unique latitude & longitude "URL" and would care to share that location.

    However and But, then your post and the time it must have taken to architecture your insightful and quick witted comments. I would like to suggest ever youR sarcastic comments lack clear direction if I was to follow them. Sorry to say.

    To be open minded about your comments and after consideration, maybe your lack to convey the message that maybe moderators do not like link and hence your sarcastic remarks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikejonessmith
    You are outstanding ... very helpful. Thanks for taking time out of your life/day to direct me to GOOGLE.

    That is what sincere help is all about.

    I might have hoped after reading this post and spending hours on the "Google thing" someone intelligent that learned all about this subject might have learned it from a unique latitude & longitude "URL" and would care to share that location.

    However and But, then your post and the time it must have taken to architecture your insightful and quick witted comments. I would like to suggest ever youR sarcastic comments lack clear direction if I was to follow them. Sorry to say.

    To be open minded about your comments and after consideration, maybe your lack to convey the message that maybe moderators do not like link and hence your sarcastic remarks.
    You ARE Steve!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomers
    You ARE Steve!
    Or his other MPD personality.

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    yes to the good stuff - superCool is good

    Quote Originally Posted by mikejonessmith
    I would like to suggest ever youR sarcastic comments lack clear direction if I was to follow them. Sorry to say.
    if you are really having problems with this (Google), let us know what issues you are seeing and maybe someone will be able to help.

    (time = 15 seconds)

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    superCool regrets taking this thread off topic - sorry HecticDMC...back to Google and Link Cloaking

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    Well SuperCool - you will have to agree that Google is very hard to understand and use for some disadvantaged people.

    You do have to be a rocket scientist to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superCool
    superCool regrets taking this thread off topic - sorry HecticDMC...back to Google and Link Cloaking
    I think it was stevejonessmith that did that...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomers
    I think it was stevejonessmith that did that...
    stevejonessmith = mikejonessmith

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    Allow me to try to bring it back a little bit...

    If the solution you guys are talking about involves javascript, that's going to cause problems for those users that have javascript turned off or otherwise disabled. I know, I know, it's not a huge number of people. But if there are alternatives that don't cut off the non-javascript folks, shouldn't they be used?
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    In the example:
    <a onclick="x=window.open('http://www.your-affiliate-link')" href="#">
    what-you-want-the-link-to-say-here</a>

    What do you use for "#"?
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    That's the correct character to use. The # represents a link on the current page. When it's empty with nothing after it, it just goes nowhere...



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    The href="#" is a required attribute for the <a tag to work correctly so must be included.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    In the example:
    <a onclick="x=window.open('http://www.your-affiliate-link')" href="#">
    what-you-want-the-link-to-say-here</a>

    What do you use for "#"?
    You don't have to have the # in the code. Where the # is put what you want the link to say on mouse over.

    Example:

    <a onclick="x=window.open('http://www.your-affiliate-link')" href="Rhia7 website">
    what-you-want-the-link-to-say-here</a>


    The mouse over will say http:// www. your-affiliate-link/Rhia7 website.

    It will not show where the link is really going.

    If you just have href="" the mouseover will just have your domain url http:// www. your-affiliate-link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomers
    That's the correct character to use. The # represents a link on the current page. When it's empty with nothing after it, it just goes nowhere...
    Wrong - see post 22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgerBoy
    You don't have to have the # in the code. Where the # is put what you want the link to say on mouse over.

    Example:

    <a onclick="x=window.open('http://www.your-affiliate-link')" href="Rhia7 website">
    what-you-want-the-link-to-say-here</a>


    The mouse over will say http:// www. your-affiliate-link/Rhia7 website.
    Thank you
    I have difficulty understanding cloaking coding, but your examples seems pretty clear & simple -- I'll have to try it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HecticDMC
    Allow me to try to bring it back a little bit...

    If the solution you guys are talking about involves javascript, that's going to cause problems for those users that have javascript turned off or otherwise disabled. I know, I know, it's not a huge number of people. But if there are alternatives that don't cut off the non-javascript folks, shouldn't they be used?
    There was a post the other day of a survey or something that said that 98% (I think) of users had their javascript on.

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