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    Verisign have mucked around with the root DNS servers, so that if you type an invalid domain into your web browser, you get a Verisign search page up.. for example:

    http://www.abestwebb.com/

    Comes up with:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Did You Mean ?
    We did find these similar Web addresses.
    [li]<LI>www.abestweb.com
    <LI>www.bestwebs.com
    <LI>www.westwebb.com
    <LI>www.bestweb.net
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    And then offers a search box powered by Overture (and localised for whatever country you are in).

    There's a very long discussion thread at Slashdot about it and I did notice this one quote:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So let me get this straight.....If I own http://www.hardtospelldomain.com, and someone mispells it, Verisign now has the opportunity to offer up the highest bidders site for redirects? Even potential competitors? Perhaps I'm missing something here, but wouldn't this open them to all kinds of lawsuits from companies that were affected in that way?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sounds to me like Verisign signed up for Slimeware Corporation's Dynamic Diversion to me

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    I don't like it at all.

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    Another example of Verisign putting revenue as a higher priority than the smooth working of the DNS.

    Another example is the WLS (Wait List Service) where instead of the current system of multiple companies competing to re-register expired names Verisign cuts off all those companies and introduces their own monopolistic solution at the registry level.

    An analogy for this typosuatting was if you called 1-800-haiko for affiliate advice but got the numbers slightly wrong and instead of getting a wrong number message you got directed to 1-800-affiliatecruise as they bid more money.

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    THIS SUCKS BIG TIME!

    These big companies seem to think they can just do whatever they want to do, because it's good for them.

    This just brings to mind corruption and lying to the public a la Worldcom, Enron, Tyco, etc.

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    It appears that Verisign think they own the Internet.

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    LOL..."An analogy for this typosuatting was if you called 1-800-haiko for affiliate advice but got the numbers slightly wrong and instead of getting a wrong number message you got directed to 1-800-affiliatecruise as they bid more money."

    The day Herbie answers Haiko's phone call the cops immediately.

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    http://WMD-in-Iraq-so-impeach-President-Bush.net

    Copyright claimed by Verisign, I believe?

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    I didn't understand that link, Drewbert, until I clicked on it

    http://it-necessary-to-consult-with-...e-did-this.com

    Somebody posted the one below to Slashdot:

    http://sitefinder.verisign.com/lpc?url='%3E%3Cfont%20size=+5%20color=%23FF0000%3EVERISIGNSUCKS%3C/font%3E

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    Ha Ha Ha ,

    I called and asked how I can get Verisign unloaded from my computer. I explained that I selected the option within IE to not auto go to a search word or page. But now when I type in an address it goes to Verisign. So how do I get Verisign off my computer? I explained I used my spyware remover and it did not find this nasty program.

    Of course I am acting completely unknowledgeable. I keep asking how to get Verisign off my computer.

    Finally I got someone not happy with it either. He told me if we have enough people write and complain they will have no other option but to have a close button or not automate it any longer.

    Being female and acting stupid really works sometimes!


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    Verisign is completely pathetic.

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    hey I am workng on a draft to complain anyone want to help?


    Draft!


    Greetings Verisign,

    I am extremely unhappy with your new site finder option. I intentionally selected the option within IE to not go to a search word or search page. And now you are forcing me to view your page when I do not type in a correct web address or select a site that is no longer in business.

    At first I thought you messed with my system and loaded some nasty spyware on my computer. I did my very best to get your program off my computer. Come to find out it was no program, I am now FORCED (no longer aloud the option) to utilize your services when I do not find what I wanted.

    As I utilize google and ssan.com for all my search needs, you do not give my selections any consideration. You are trying to shove your service onto my computer. Not only am I offended but I am going to find someone to listen to me and get you to stop intruding on my privacy and my freedom to choose!

    Very Unhappy USA Citizen


    P.S. I did not believe they add something to my system, I am saying that for emphasis! SPYWARE no one wants association (at least publicly)

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dynamoo:
    It appears that Verisign think they own the Internet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    As someone who worked for Verisign after they acquired Network Solutions I would have to agree with you.

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    I tried:
    http://www.abestwebb.com/

    I'm getting this:

    The page cannot be displayed
    The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

    I've tried misspelling some other domains and don't see the verisign thing. Is there another url that will bring it up?

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    Try this one, Trust. www.eventicketstoday.com - that brings it up for me.

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    Ok, thanks i see it now.

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    I think that most of the top-level root servers are running this new thing, but not all, so that would explain why it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.

    You'll notice that Overture is in on the act again though.. that just goes to prove they're happy to deal with any scumsucking traffic generator including Gator. And of course Overture is owned now by Yahoo, a company quite happy to shove it to its own advertisers.

    <sigh>

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    >As someone who worked for Verisign after they acquired Network Solutions

    Yikes, Mark. That's something I certainly wouldn't admit in public. :^)

    Sign the Petition everyone (and send the URL to all your friends!)

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    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/030916/internet_typos_3.html

    hehe

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    http://www.forbes.com/2003/05/01/cx_...ernetpoll.html

    People are frantically voting "no" to Sclavos. Apparently he's down below 5% approval rating for September.

    Don't forget to vote, people!!!

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    Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse ...
    Verisign/Yahoo teaming up (yahoo=Overture & Inktomi) to control and monitize all 404 DNS traffic that kicked off on 9/15 to drain merchant and affiliate accounts.

    http://www.haque.net/verisign_dns_rant.php

    9/15
    VeriSign stands to gain financially, take a look at this excerpt from an AP
    > news blurb published yesterday the 15th:
    > [...]
    > Anyone find out any details of the contracts which VeriSign has apparently
    > signed to profit from this little venture?

    It looks like Overture is doing the paid listings:

    Compare http://sitefinder.verisign.com/spc?kw=Travel
    with http://www.overture.com/d/search/?Keywords=travel

    You can also see this by looking at the links on the results page.
    "www.expedia.com" is actually http://www3.overture.com/d/sr/?...

    And Inktomi is the provider of non-paid listings:

    Compare http://sitefinder.verisign.com/spc?sb=verisign+sucks
    with http://www.hotbot.com/default.asp?query=verisign+sucks

    Both Overture and Inktomi are now owned by Yahoo.

    Anyone with an Overture account can see what the high bids on the keywords
    Travel, Entertainment, Gambling, Shopping, Gifts, Computers, Autos,
    Insurance, Small Business, and Investing are now. From a SEC filing a while
    ago, I seem to recall that something near half of the money from each click
    goes back to the "search engine" in question, in this case the new monopoly SE Verisign.

    VeriSign stands to gain financially, take a look at this excerpt from an AP
    news blurb published yesterday:

    > Ben Turner, VeriSign's vice president for naming services, described the
    service
    > as a way to "improve overall usability of the Internet."
    >
    > People mistype ".com" and ".net" names some 20 million times daily, Turner
    said,
    > and internal studies show "the vast majority of users prefer a page like this
    > than what they are getting today."
    >...
    > Currently, Site Finder sends lost Web surfers to both regular search results
    and
    > pay-for-placement listings, which are marked as such. Turner said VeriSign was
    > partnering with two search companies he would not name.
    >
    > He would not disclose how much VeriSign would earn from those companies, with
    > which it has revenue-sharing arrangements.


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    More outrage as VeriSlime tries to hijack all URL typos to the advertising search page. The Ad Whores behind this scheme like those running Overture/Yahoo/Inktomi unleash all the spam trapping tools.

    Verisign are essentially "squatting" on every unregistered domain name, and using them for profit. How many trademarked names does that include? What are the fines for squatting on just *one* trademark for commercial exploitation?

    Roger Thomas worries about the implications if other DNS providers adopt Verisign's tactics.

    That's a worrying article, and just thinking about the issues raised I can see the following:

    1) If it’s good enough for Verisign to mess about with the root servers I can see other DNS providers doing the same, by redirecting users to their own systems.

    2) This will poison DNS servers across the world as they will end up caching the SOA records created by Verisign for these 'dynamic' DNS entries. While the time to live on these records is short, real entries will be dropped as the junk entries are added to the database. There is now a new DNS attack were nodes on the internet create vast numbers of random DNS look up requests so clearing the DNS caches of all the DNS servers they access.

    Oh life if going to be fun.

    Let's start a campaign against Verisign, reader Steve Foster, suggests.

    I think we need to start a global campaign to black-list Verisign if they don't back off.

    Pete Farrow favours more direct action.

    This means that the basic "sender domain does not resolve" check in Sendmail and many other mail server software is now obsolete because any .net and .com now resolves. This will open the internet up to more spam.

    But there is a solution, perhaps mail servers should check to see if the sender domain for a particular piece of email resolves to the Ip above. If it does, forward the email to Verisign, any of the email addresses on this page should do :

    http://www.verisign.com/corporate/ab...html?sl=060104

    If the email sender domain resolves to the bogus Verisign wildcard entry, then its only fair that the email gets forwarded back to them, as it’s obviously spam and it resolves to their address.

    If the internet community applies such a rule, then I think this wildcard DNS nonsense will soon be retired. You could also check the web site at Verisign automatically to see if they change their email addresses just to make sure you always forward the unresolving mail to a real mailbox.

    Adrian Wilkins seconds the motion.

    Bloody 'ell... so where can we get the home addresses of the "pigtastic" monopolisers of the internet?

    I'm only asking because, as a responsible sysadmin, I believe that all mis-addressed surface mail should get redirected to there as well...

    And what of the wider implications of Verisign's audacious domain land grab? Abby Patel is worried about privacy.

    Thanks for running the Verisign story on the Register. As an ISP, this is of great concern to us, as you rightly pointed out, this un-announced and unwarranted change is breaking services. As an example, we provide SPAM filtering for our broadband customers. One of the many checks we do is to ensure mail is coming from actual registered domains. With a single action, this test no longer works, adding to the already difficult war on the volumes of SPAM that our customers have to deal with.

    However, the other worry is the data retention that Verisign admits it is carrying out if you look at their terms and conditions. Amazingly enough, they in their PDF file discussing the change,

    "2.4 Monitoring and Communication

    VeriSign actively monitors all traffic associated with Site Finder, including DNS queries matching the wildcard entries in .com and .net and associated responses, and all traffic sent to the response server. This traffic is correlated and monitored in real time, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, by VeriSign's Network Operations Centre... complete traffic stream to the .com and .net name servers and the response server, as well as rolled up statistics, are stored for analysis."

    So, you mistype a domain name, and suddenly to have agreed to Verisign’s T&C's to let them collect information about you. What if the URL was mistyped but had some personal information in it, e.g. http://dummysite-that-is-not-real-at...sword=password

    Similarly, the SMTP service that replies with the 550 error only does so after you have specified the recipient. What will Verisign do with all the "from" mail addresses that they will be logging? A ready made list of live e-mail addresses for selling on to marketing companies perhaps?

    However, it seems that the T&C's might help us to stop this abuse. If you do not agree to the T&C's the only option they have is to not redirect your netblock to their site. So, give them a call on 0800-032-2101, select 2 to speak to their support department and once you get a human, tell them that you don't agree to their T&C's and can they remove your netblocks!

    Nick Ryan picks up the theme.

    Gah. Note the thinly veiled threats in their whitepaper..

    Bah, it has cut'n'paste disabled, of course.


    Verisign actively monitors all traffic ... 24 hours a day, 7 days a week ... Anomalous events are escalated to engineering staff ... Several hours of the complete traffic stream are stored for analysis.


    Reading between the lines ; "Try to DoS attack us at your peril, punks"


    While this monitoring data will not be public available at the launch of Site Finder, Verisign is considering making this information available in the future


    "If we get a lot of hits for particular unregistered domains, we might consider selling them to interested parties for inflated prices (via a front company, naturally)"

    Will anybody defend Verisign? Only reader Justin Cordesman has anything positive to say about Verisign's radical changes.

    For some reason I think there was forewarning of this, as a response to typo squatting. Which is worse, your customer getting a search page (and not one that pops up zillions of ads and tries to make itself your default) when they mistype your address, or getting a porn site or pop ups or an error?

    Although Verisign suggested it might be making changes a few weeks ago it was only when the changes were made this week, without specification notification or debate on the technical and commercial implications on the move, that things really kicked off.

    But who cares for the wider implications, when your printer stops working. Reader Daniel Salzedo relates his tale of woe.

    Thanks for your article "All your Web typos are belong to us", because without it I would probably never have realized why my networked HP printer was refusing to print.

    I have an HP Deskjet 6127 which has a built-in NIC and TCP/IP printing capability. Just a basic printer used by one small department and it's been working fine since it was setup. I have a simple LAN with one main W2K Server running DHCP and DNS. I usually setup any shared printer on this server, so installed the HP software which sets up a TCP/IP local port and points it at the printer. As the printer was setup to use DHCP for ease of use the TCP/IP printer port maps via the printer's name.

    Today, for no apparent reason, print jobs just stuck in the queue for a few minutes before timing out. To make a long and tedious set of troubleshooting steps short, it turned out the problem was the Verisign DNS change. Due to the way DNS is setup on the server (Because it is the LAN's top-level DNS server) a search for the local printer was being routed via the Internet. I guess it must always have worked this way, but because the printer would never resolve to a routable IP address it must have then tried a local lookup.

    Anyhow now, thanks to Verisign, my server always resolves the printer to the external IP address for their search service, hence the dead print jobs, forcing me to move the printer share to a different server.

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    I see this so called connected community is silent on this subject. Well the world isn't.

    VeriSign Sued Over Controversial Web Service
    Thu September 18, 2003 09:13 PM ET
    By Elinor Mills Abreu
    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - An Internet search company on Thursday filed a $100 million antitrust lawsuit against VeriSign Inc., accusing the Web address provider of hijacking misspelled and unassigned Web addresses with a service it launched this week.

    VeriSign's new SiteFinder service takes searches for ".com" and ".net" Web addresses that are not spelled correctly or have not yet been registered and redirects them to a VeriSign Web page that includes options and pay-for-placement topic links.

    Since it was launched on Monday, the SiteFinder service has drawn widespread criticism from Internet users who complain that VeriSign has overstepped its authority. However, VeriSign says it is merely offering a convenient service.

    The lawsuit filed in federal court in Orlando, Florida, alleges antitrust violations, unfair competition and violations of the Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act and asks the court to order VeriSign to put a halt to the service, said Robert Hart, a spokesman for Popular Enterprises LLC, the Orlando-based parent company of search provider Netster.com.

    According to the lawsuit, Mountain View, California-based VeriSign has been using its position as the keeper of the master list of all Web addresses ending in ".com" and ".net," also called domain names, to unfair advantage.

    Not only is VeriSign making money off the redirected searches, but it is improperly interfering with competing services, including Netster's SmartBrowse and similar services run by Internet service providers like AOL Time Warner Inc.'s America Online and Microsoft Corp., Popular Enterprises said.

    Typically, Internet users are shown a generic "404 -- cannot be found" page when a Web address does not exist. SmartBrowse and other services display Web sites and search options that are closely related to the original search request.

    DIGITAL DEAD END

    VeriSign spokesman Brian O'Shaughnessy said he could not comment on the lawsuit because the company had not seen it and does not as a matter of policy comment on pending litigation.

    He defended the company's new service, saying it was helping people find Web sites instead of sending them down a digital "dead end."

    "Twenty million times a day on our network, people mistype domains and don't get what they're looking for," he said. "Web navigation can be improved with services like SiteFinder."

    A Web community backlash has led to the creation of software to allow people to circumvent the SiteFinder service.

    The Internet Software Consortium, a non-profit group that developed the BIND software that directs most Web traffic to the correct address, released new software on Wednesday that ISPs can use to block the SiteFinder service for customers, said Paul Vixie, president of the Redwood City, California-based group.

    SiteFinder reduces the effectiveness of anti-spam programs that work by rejecting e-mail coming from non-existent Web addresses, Vixie said.

    It also is raising privacy concerns that VeriSign will have access to log-in names and passwords that are sometimes included in Web address queries and information in e-mails sent inadvertently to non-existent Web addresses, he added.

    VeriSign's O'Shaughnessy said the company's technicians were looking into the complaint about SiteFinder thwarting anti-spam software, but said the privacy complaint was a "red herring" since the company would not keep such information.

    Vixie said many people believe VeriSign should not have launched the new service without first getting permission from the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the organization that oversees Internet policies and practices.

    "If VeriSign is a caretaker (of Web addresses) then they've exceeded their authority," Vixie said.

    Mary Hewitt, a spokeswoman for ICANN, said the organization knew about VeriSign's idea for the service but had not given final approval and did not know it was being activated. She said the group would have more comment on the matter within the next few days.

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    Dang Mike & Charlie

    This sounds like which ever is writing this needs a break. I am busy with my glue gun... I’m building this years Halloween Invites. Granted these will be a part of my how to's.

    But dang.

    Please have a conversation with someone other then yourself or we all will have to get you some Alzheimer’s help!

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    Holy

    You know what, I have a feeling these ad whores (my definition of "ad whores" includes SPAM-ers, Parasites and other scum) will someday bring us to the collapse of the WWW we know today. People won't be using it anymore because they will see 10000 ads before they will even read a forum post and check their mail.

    [NOSTALGY]Anyone remembers how things were years back, when WWW was just starting? Just plain old text, no ads, no SPAM, hmm ...[/NOSTALGY]

    My guess is we will start seeing "private networks" away from WWW, this is becoming just ridiculous!



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    Just another example that shows how large companies like Yahoo will stoop to the lowest level just to make more money.
    What's next, Yahoo?

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