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    OMG - Only in L.A.!!
    Now we can force the poor people to eat at the expensive restaurants like the rest of us!! LOL

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    Next will be a directive on what you can or can't order on the menu? LOL
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    Socialism at work in America...



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    That's California for you - always out to protect us from ourselves.
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    Maybe LA can bail out GM and fix the fat problem at the same time.

    New plan......City of LA is to buy each head of household a new Chevy Suburban so that head of household can drive across town to purchase healthy food at a more upscale fast food joint..,,,,Instead of Carl.jr, we now
    eat at Bennigans......

    Woops Bennigans just filed for bankrupcy.......probably because their food was no better than Carl.jr's
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    Didn't the Declaration of Independence state that "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of cheeseburgers" were among the inalienable rights of man? Where do they get off abridging inalienable rights? Grrrr...
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    Just another liberty removed "for the greater good." The persecution of smokers in this city is a point of contention that I ***** about regularly. What's next? Banning perfume because some people have allergies? Arghhhhhhhhhhhh
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    Yeah, I hear ya on the smoking ban in LA Rex. They put it on a level with snorting the white stuff, but persecute smokers more than the nose candy crowd. Hollywood? Go figure! LOL
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    The article says people in these neighborhoods are been "unfairly targeted".

    Give me a break! Whatever happened to personal responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Guinn
    Give me a break! Whatever happened to personal responsibility. Jim
    It has not yet been voted on and approved, or been determined by a legislature as to what defines personal responsibility and how much of it any one person should have to accept, who should bare more responsibility based on socio-economic demographics etc etc. It's a complicated process but surely there are legislators who are working on it in order to protect the better good for the masses.
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    In the UK the government decided to ban convenience food from school canteens and supply healthier options.

    The net result was "20% fewer meals are being served in secondary (high) schools" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6972699.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Hamilton
    That is excellent news! I hope the rest of CA and all other states follow suit,
    it's about time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexanne
    Just another liberty removed "for the greater good." The persecution of smokers in this city is a point of contention that I ***** about regularly. What's next? Banning perfume because some people have allergies? Arghhhhhhhhhhhh
    And people thought this attitude would stop with smokers. Think again. It's hard to believe the government thinks they can force people to be healthy. Just what we need, government dictating what we eat. I wonder how many of those city officials are overweight. Too bad the residents can't dictate what city officials eat.
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    Nanny complex, along with elitist attitude that makes them believe they know what's best for others, at work here.

    Funny thought though, perhaps it's a kickback scheme by the entrenched fast food places where they've paid off the politicos to freeze out their competitors - shit, i'd prefer that over Elite Nanny Syndrome. At least we can prosecute the former.

    Creeping incrementalism... flash forward to Greg Rice Junior's grandson's 4th birthday party... tofu cake, state of mexifornia brand... veggie-infused water to drink, right from the spigot... blowing out of the virtual candle... what did you wish for little boy? nothing, i let the gov't decide these things for me...

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    Wouldn't the same "nanny complex" argument apply to liquor licenses as well? Just about every neighborhood in America has such limits imposed, and it's not generally considered controversial.

    It's worth noting that LA hasn't banned all fast food outlets from South Central, only imposed limits on the number of new outlets that can be built. There are still several hundred to choose from.
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    Alcohol, when abused, can make people violent and contributes to the deaths of innocent people on our roadways.

    Fast food, when abused, makes people fat.

    Kind of a big difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by HecticDMC
    Alcohol, when abused, can make people violent and contributes to the deaths of innocent people on our roadways.

    Fast food, when abused, makes people fat.

    Kind of a big difference

    Ah, you forgot the "twinkie defense"! LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexanne
    Just another liberty removed "for the greater good." The persecution of smokers in this city is a point of contention that I ***** about regularly. What's next? Banning perfume because some people have allergies? Arghhhhhhhhhhhh
    Rexanne, my first thought when I read this was complete surprise that they took this action instead of taxing the hell out of fast food, suing BIG Fast Food, and then using the proceeds/judgments to fund health programs and "fast food awareness" programs. I'm not a smoker and am very sensitive to tobacco smoke, but I have family members who are smokers and recognize people's rights to make their own decisions about their health.
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    I don't believe in making rules when people should be able to make their own life choices but there's a difference between food and smoking.

    When you are smoking in public places not only are you smoking for you, but now I have to breath in the smoke. You are taking away my choice NOT to smoke. I don't think laws should be made, but I'm not going to object because your rights shouldn't interfere with my rights or the rights of workers who have to work around all that.

    (Now with employers trying to regulate smoking- no that's too much. I give two big thumbs down)

    As for food, if you get fat that doesn't really impact me. Eat all you want, clog your arteries, heck I'll be right there next to you getting my grub on. To try to regulate that is nothing but pure control and in fact it's stinks of elitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 25trees
    That is excellent news! I hope the rest of CA and all other states follow suit, it's about time!
    I'm all for people deciding for themselves to be more health conscious, all for it, 100%. The operative phrase here is "people deciding for themselves." Those who don't believe others should have that personal freedom are content to condone government madate over freedom of choice.

    If I make the personal choice to have a big, fat bacon pigout - batter dipped grease fried double cheeseburger supreme today, instead of an organic herbal enriched soy bread crouton with bean sprouts smothered in perrier water dressing, I won't seek government approval, nor should any person who understands the steady infringement on freedom that many continue to ignore. Now, I'm of to search the internet for a list of LA city council approved lunch items for today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Hamilton
    the steady infringement on freedom that many continue to ignore.
    Thank you! That's the point that flips my pancakes every time.

    When personal freedom is taken away, no matter what the rationale or reasoning behind it, we are allowing it and we will eventually end up fighting it because it's B.S. and it's control of the masses. It's called faschism which I didn't sign up for and any self-respecting individual would balk at if you think long and hard about it.

    I'd love to see alcohol banned and see what the "masses" have to say ... alcohol kills way more people than "second hand smoke" but no one's screaming about their right to live in a world not plagued by drunk drivers or violent drunks.

    I'll STFU now. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexanne
    Thank you! That's the point that flips my pancakes every time.

    When personal freedom is taken away, no matter what the rationale or reasoning behind it, we are allowing it and we will eventually end up fighting it because it's B.S. and it's control of the masses. It's called faschism which I didn't sign up for and any self-respecting individual would balk at if you think long and hard about it.

    I'd love to see alcohol banned and see what the "masses" have to say ... alcohol kills way more people than "second hand smoke" but no one's screaming about their right to live in a world not plagued by drunk drivers or violent drunks.

    I'll STFU now. LOL
    I think with any freedom (alcohol, tobacco, fast food) there is a certain amount of responsibility each person that exercises that freedom must take, with regards on how it affects them and how it affects those around them. Not everyone is responsible and not everyone thinks of how their actions affect others. That doesn't mean we should curb those freedoms because of irresponsible people.

    And with that, I'll join Rexanne on the STFU bench. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProWebAddict
    When you are smoking in public places not only are you smoking for you, but now I have to breath in the smoke. You are taking away my choice NOT to smoke. I don't think laws should be made, but I'm not going to object because your rights shouldn't interfere with my rights or the rights of workers who have to work around all that.
    Define "public places". We heard that term a lot here in Ohio, when people discussed the smoking ban, but when they said public places they meant private property. If you go somewhere where people smoke you have the full right to complain or just leave. Walking into a smokey bar and claiming your (not you specifically) rights are infringed is ridiculous. The fact is that people enter private property and if they don't like something they can leave. People don't have to go to a bar or restaurant where people smoke, they are free to leave and go somewhere else.

    Now in Ohio, a property owner is no longer free to do as they please with property they pay for. It's not public property it's private property. It's a stupid law and tramples the rights of property owners statewide, plain and simple.

    I agree about smoking in the workplace to a point. But, again, a prospective employee has the right to not accept a job (like a bar, restaurant, etc.) where smoking is allowed. Where people need to go, like government facilities, smoking should be prohibited. The same thing with truly public property.

    What we have in Ohio are businesses going under because of a silly law. The people have the right to visit or not visit an establishment but the owner of the establishment does not have the right to run their business as they see fit. Something is wrong here.
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    It's L.A.
    Let them do wtf they wish as long as it doesn't become a trend.
    We live in So. Calif and NEVER go there.
    When we drive to Santa Barbara we detour around it through Pasadena.

    Same with San Francisco.
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    We will detour around S.F. to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Rice
    People don't have to go to a bar or restaurant where people smoke, they are free to leave and go somewhere else.

    Now in Ohio, a property owner is no longer free to do as they please with property they pay for. It's not public property it's private property. It's a stupid law and tramples the rights of property owners statewide, plain and simple.

    What we have in Ohio are businesses going under because of a silly law. The people have the right to visit or not visit an establishment but the owner of the establishment does not have the right to run their business as they see fit. Something is wrong here.
    Yep. I know restaurant owners in L.A. who lost half their business when the smoking ban in restaurants was implimented. It's upsurd. People get all rightous about smoking and carry it to a degree that smacks of insanity.

    I was smoking in my car and a woman in the car next to me started waving her hand in front of her face. She was on the other side of my car, not even next to my window and the smoke was not affecting her in the least but she felt she had the right to wave her silly hand in her face as if my smoking was actually an assault on her. Stupid b!tch ... I told her to stay home in her plastic bubble from now on.

    I agree that people have the right to a smoke free environment if they choose one and truly public INDOOR places are within reason to ban smoking but when it begins to scream of control and telling others how to run their businesses and lives, there's something very wrong. This starts to bleed over into other areas and anything is subject to "banning" including free will and thinking for ourselves.

    *Heading back to the STFU bench with Meadowmufn*
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