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    Question How will "Chrome" affect affiliate marketing?
    As you all likely know by now, Google has released its own browser called Chrome (currently beta). Given that this is GOOGLE -- the thousand pound gorilla -- we should assume that eventually Chrome will be very widely used.

    On page 22 of Google's comic book style explanation about Chrome, they say:

    "...when you close the window, the cookies from that session are wiped out".

    That being the case, will our merchants be able to track any sales that do not take place immediately?

    Read the full story at: http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphiliac
    On page 22 of Google's comic book style explanation about Chrome, they say:

    "...when you close the window, the cookies from that session are wiped out".

    That being the case, will our merchants be able to track any sales that do not take place immediately?
    That's the way all browsers work. Session cookies as a rule do not persist longer than the related session which either ends when the browser (or browser window) closes or when the prescribed (by the server) session expires which is usually a matter of minutes.
    Affiliate tracking cookies ARE NOT session cookies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomers
    Affiliate tracking cookies ARE NOT session cookies.
    Good to know (I did not and would have assumed the same as Affiliac). Thanks for the lesson Boomer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomers
    That's the way all browsers work. Session cookies as a rule do not persist longer than the related session which either ends when the browser (or browser window) closes or when the prescribed (by the server) session expires which is usually a matter of minutes.
    Affiliate tracking cookies ARE NOT session cookies.
    Yes.

    But it says "cookies from that session are wiped out" , which could be Affiliate cookies from the browsing session (not session cookies).

    People might just use the incognito mode for just a few sites and not every site they visit. Most of them are non-technical and they don't bother with browser settings.

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    No affiliate cookies are not session cookies and they should be okay
    But it is fair warning to us as affiliate marketers that building your opt in list is a must do.
    It may soon be the only way to ensure our commisions
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    I downloaded Chrome and tried a few things with it

    Under the Hood - Settings has cookie settings

    1) Allow All Cookies - sets all cookies normally.

    2) Block All Cookies - sets no cookies at all, I was able to visit a merchant link and enter an item in the shopping cart while no cookies were set. This means $0 commission.

    In Chrome - Clear Browsing History has - Delete Cookies checked off by default.
    In Firefox the Clear Cookies is not checked off by default.


    In the inconito mode it says:

    "You've gone incognito. Pages you view in this window won't appear in your browser history or search history, and they won't leave other traces, like cookies, on your computer after you close the incognito window. Any files you download or bookmarks you create will be preserved, however. "

    In the Inconito mode Chorme does not differentiate between session and non-session cookies, or affiliate cookies or any other cookies.
    It stores no cookies whatsoever.

    Try it yourself.

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    Thanks 25trees, That clarifies a few things
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    Hmm.... I'd like to say I'm relieved that there will be no impact, but after reading the post by 25trees I can't seem to rid myself of the anxiety that this new Google browser may make our lives more difficult.



    It is my most sincere hope that Boomer is completely correct, but in the meantime, I also hope that the admins for SAS, CJ, LS, etc are giving this serious consideration, and will contact the engineers at Google, so we can get a definitive statement in the comings days/weeks as to how Chrome will affect the use of cookies in affiliate marketing.

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    Web programming languages utilize what are called session variables. These session variables store temporary information on the client computer for use in the operation of the particular website. The only way to store any website information on the client's computer is through the use of cookies. These "session variable" cookies are set to expire at end of session.

    For instance, our website use session variables to store many things such as shopping cart contents. If all client cookies are blocked, session variables are unable to work and hence, among other things, no products can be added to the shopping cart. So there's motivation for visitors to unblock their cookies. Otherwise it's difficult to use the web browser to visit many websites, and some that won't even let you in if cookies aren't enabled.

    As for cookies that persist past the end of the session, I suggest that you do some testing with Chrome to see what happens to cookies other than session cookies. It's easy to see the cookies on your computer in the "cookie" directory under Documents and Settings\[your login name]\Cookies, and the date the cookie was created. If Chrome stores cookies in a different location you'll have to figure out where. You can also view the content of a cookie with any text viewer such as Notepad. So clear you current cookies and visit some websites with Chrome. Click some affiliate links (or your own) if you like. Then go back and check for the presence of new cookies. Then close the browser window/tab and look again. Close the browser and look again. Reboot and look again. Test with different Chrome settings to see what happens. Unless cookies are blocked or set to clear when the browser is closed, you're likely to find that those cookies remain. And please report what you find.

    This discussion serves to again emphasize one of the biggest hazards resulting in the demise of affiliate cookies and all the more reason to promote cookieless tracking.



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    As it stands right now when using Chrome it keeps pretty much everything. Unless you "clear browsing data" (in the tool menu drop down) it doesn't clear cookies or history and probably keeps a bunch of other stuff as well.

    Unless you change your cookie blocking options (which few people ever do) they will remain. So I don't see where this is a big concern.

    Incognito mode you have to purposely select in opening a new window. There is currently no way to have it automatically go into that mode (that I could see).

    One thing I did notice is that over at vbulletin.org there is now a mod to block Chrome browsers from ever seeing your site. Apparently a few believe that Google's TOS is too all encompassing and have no desire to give up their rights to google for the posts made using Chrome. It's an interesting take on it. Since ABW uses vbulletin and I am using chrome right now I gather than Google now has all rights to use my post or anything else.

    I also have been using IE 8 and it's "InPrivate" browsing (basically the same thing as incognito mode). So that is another issue.

    In these modes no cookie, session or otherwise, are stored after you close the browser window(s). So the more people get used to these settings you can bet they will start affecting affiliate marketing if tracked with cookies.

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    I'm glad I don't have kids to watch over with all the browsers coming out with "porn mode".


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    Can't wait for the day all computers are loaded with Chrome instead of internet explorer, Chrome is much faster for me then FF or IE. If Roboform makes a plugin for Chrome I will even get rid of FF from my puter.
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    Just a somewhat related question--- has anyone noticed how much faster Google maps zoom in/out while using Chrome? I wonder if Chrome is going to have "priority" access (speed) with all of Google's applications so that users who wish to have a great Google experience will most likely feel that they have to switch to Chrome.

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    Chrome is faster but...
    IE and Fire Fox are still the most compatible with most web sites. I prefer Safari when updating pages because it has less garbage is is a lot faster especially when opening multiple windows. Chrome seems to crash when viewing movies and Flash. But it is quite fast but I am sure they will load up with ads soon and slow it down. I don't think IE and FF have to worry much about Chrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedgamer
    Apparently a few believe that Google's TOS is too all encompassing and have no desire to give up their rights to google for the posts made using Chrome. It's an interesting take on it. Since ABW uses vbulletin and I am using chrome right now I gather than Google now has all rights to use my post or anything else.
    That arguement has now been debunked, it was a mistake in Chrome's TOS and Google have since changed it.

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    I saw in todays LinkShare Newsletter a paragraph in which they specifically address concerns about how Chrome and IE8 will impact their affiliate marketing:

    LinkShare Tracking Through Microsoft IE8 and Google Chrome

    LinkShare Tracking does not rely on cookies to track Publisher referrals. We offer two methods - LS Trans and Web Services. With the LS Trans method, transaction information is sent via a secure and reliable patented batch process. With Web services, tracking transaction information is sent over a secure server-to-server transmission...
    That's the kind of definitive statement that we need to see from CJ, SAS, and the other networks, as it will settle any questions that people have -- I urge each of their admins to issue something along these lines ASAP.

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    Linkshare Cookie discussion Sorry to go OT but it's relevant
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    I used to work in DCLK (now GOOG) and RightMedia (now YHOO) before for total of 6 years. so would like putting my 2 cents over here.

    I am writing a full observation on the subject matter.

    but to simplify the case, two argument

    1. thx for IE 3rd party cookie policy, the so called P3P policy, 3rd parties cookies on secure page will have more difficulites to implement => more report discrepancy.

    2. the chrome and IE8, plus the already implement of numerous pluged-in for FF makes all campaigns based ONLY on cookie tracking disastrous.

    conclusion.

    Just think of cookies-based tracking reports as a sub report, don't count it seriously.

    At the end of the day, it is the say on the affiliate network, not affiliate .... sadly speaking....

    Just my 2 RMB cents + HK$ cents.

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    How will "Chrome" affect affiliate marketing?
    hi,

    That arguement has now been debunked, it was a mistake in Chrome's TOS and Google have since changed it.

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