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    If enough people do this we can start putting email spammers out of business.

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    Brilliant!

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    While this may be an interesting idea, I don't think ABW should be promoting it here - imho

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    I can't explain it, but I think Adam is right on this one.

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    I don't think I want to simply trust their "Good site, bad site" lists. I also expect there will be a substantial lawsuit involving this organized activity.

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    There are some innocent-looking companies out there, but on the other hand if you dig through them there are some real horrors.

    There was one that was basically saying that not only can you harvest the email addresses, but you could send the spam through trojanised PCs so that it couldn't be traced back.

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    Hmmm... "bulletproof hosting" is a good one though - this is used as the codeword for a spam-friendly host.

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    If you do this, then you are as low as those who create the spam. If you click on an Overture advertising listing like it is suggested on that site, then they are fraudulent clicks.
    Those who create spam should be punished. However, the site listed in this thread is not the way to do it.

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    I think this has been posted before, some time ago. I think it makes sense. They send me cr@p that I don't want, to E-mail addresses that are meant to process online forms only, and are coded to prevent harvesting. But they get through anyway.

    HINT TO SPAMMERS: If an E-mail address is disguised to prevent harvesting, your messages ARE NOT WANTED! Period.

    If I can cost the scumbags some money, fine. They can go out of business. I don't care. They aren't doing anything except putting money in their own pockets, and annoying everyone else!

    I'll make a deal with the spammers, quit sending out your spam, and I'll quit clicking on your PPC links!

    They can pay for my inconvenience! I'll make a mental note to stop by Overture every day and do some bulk mail "research".

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    If there were a lawsuit it would be against that site, so what have the good folks of this board to worry about? The spammers victims can always counter sue anyway.

    I find it hard to belive that anyone but spammers would say this is a bad idea.

    As long as people a careful what they click this is a win win situation for everone except spammers.

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    I hate overture as much as I do spammers. They will not be getting any of their outragous ppc fees from me - not even at a cost to spammers!

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    Child labor laws exist yet, parasite partnering merchants (PP Merchants) and the COC allow an adult affiliates income to be diverted into the pockets of parasites and consider it normal business!

    Why give parasites unlimited cookie durations and credit for sales where they divert our users and overwrite our cookies. PP merchants and the COC directly supports what many consider unfair trade practices, identity theft and thievery!

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    Dang

    As much as I hate Spam, what’s to prevent people from doing that to anyone?

    I do not think it’s an appropriate way to go about the issue. We need to win in the courts.

    I want to see LAWS passed to make the offense criminal. Invasion of privacy and theft, our legal system needs to grow again. Stealing a persons email address and using it is THEFT. Until we fight this battle on the appropriate level we won’t get the help we need from our government.

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    One thing good about when I use to be involved in the world of MLM online. That is I have gained much much much knowledge due to all the shenanigans that went on there.

    Some of you need to get out more. This is nothing new....

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    Spam only works because there are still idiots out there that buy stuff advertised via spam.

    If we educated them NOT to, spam would shrivel up and die a natural.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andy:
    HINT TO SPAMMERS: If an E-mail address is disguised to prevent harvesting, your messages ARE NOT WANTED! Period.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Another HINT TO SPAMMERS: I use software to filter out advertisements based on keywords. I don't want to "perform like a porn star". Please do not insert random characters into the subject lines in an effort to circumvent settings on my PC. You won't make any more money by showing me products I'm not going to buy. You only succeed in pissing me off.

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    Good Idea!

    Spam costs me time and money to deal them, why not I cost them some money. Spambattle.com has been around for while.

    Another way to deal with especialy merchant-based spam is to get good credit card that protects you, then go buy the spammed products at spammy site, then contact your CC provider and reverse the charges.

    You will get your money back.
    Spammer will lose the sale, and get at least $15 chargeback fee and will lose their merchant account.

    I don't understand phillyBurbs.com, and Adam Ward thinking ABW is not a good place the mention this. SPAMMERS DOES HARM TO LEGIT AFFILIATES!

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    In theory I am with Andy, and I don't think anyone will win this war fighting fair. But I have spam arresting software that oversees all of my email addresses, and that took care of that, for me, no more problem.

    Otherwise it is/was a completely out of control situation.

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    I sense a long, long post from ecom arriving shortly.....lol.

    Although the short term enjoyment I might gain from clicking some spammer's ad would bring me a sense of satisfaction, I can't help but feel that that is intuitively the wrong approach. Fraudulent clicks are fraudulent clicks, and you don't really need to be giving the bad guys a legally respectable counter claim.

    But I don't feel that PPCs are helping any by allowing ads to appear under 'email harvesting' and such.

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    Damn spam enablers or their affiliate cronies gave me 3 drive by installs of parasiteware and a pile of datamining cookies. Not even zonealarm showed a warning. Wacked a whole bunch of them for keyword fees and if I have to clean my system daily I'll continue to get them in the pocketbook daily.

    I'll also take some side trips to other keywords and seek out some more drive-by BHO installers or sites getting paid to infect systems with system crippling and dialer virus crap. Keep advertising in the PPCSE's to get lead feeds from the drive-by downloaders and you'll find thousands of web surfers willing to hit you for PPC fees. Heck they should put up threads in the anti-???? forums for identifying the drive-by sites so miillions could drain those accounts.

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    Well.. it wasn't that long, Elbowcreek

    I use an @spamcop.net email address most of the time. Spammers don't quite understand than using a SpamCop address is a pretty strong statement that a) I don't want spam and b) I'll probably report them.

    The thing is.. this isn't a clean fight. It's not just a question of the spammers churning out millions of messages, these days spammers are in league with virus writers and hackers, and they turn unprotected PCs into "zombies" to act as untraceable mail relays. Anti-spam (and anti-parasite) sites are constantly under denial of service attacks and "joe jobs" (where someone sends out fake spam to try to shut a site down).

    Basically, spammers are evil. Crucifiction is too good for them.

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    >But I have spam arresting software that
    >oversees all of my email addresses, and
    >that took care of that, for me, no more
    >problem.

    Until that software mistakenly blocks an important email so you either lose a million dollar sale, or subsequent inaction sees you sued by a large corporation.

    Plus since you don't see all the spam, you don't think it's that big a problem. Ambulance at the bottom of the cliff stuff.

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    dynamoo (or anyone with a spamcop account),

    I think I read somewhere that when someone tries to email an @spamcop account the sender receives an autoresponder message and they must confirm they are trying to reach you before their mail gets through. Is that correct?

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    I went to Overture and typed in "E-mail harvesting" and was shocked at how many companies are listed!

    What LEGITIMATE reason could anyone have for harvesting E-mail addresses from the Internet?

    I agree with Poon in that I don't like putting money in Overture's pocket, I can't stand them either, and in fact, I intend to contact them regarding their allowing E-mail harvesters to advertise on their service.

    It is a disservice to everyone with an E-mail account to allow these spammers to advertise their wares!

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    I don't agree with what the email harvesters are doing, it is completely unethical in any sense of the work. However, I also do not believe in "spamming" them back on search engines and PPC. This only stoops to the same level or perhaps worse than them. Don't loose sight of right and wrong in an attempt to correct something....

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    Bluemountain: you *can* set Spamcop up to send a confirmation response back, but the filtering software gets almost all the spam (apart from a few strays). It uses two different spam filters, so it's quite effective.

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