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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> This message is to inform you that you have been removed from the
    affiliate program of the merchant: Arabian Bazaar

    The reason given was: sites build for witchcraft products are not
    allowed.
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    Notice, they didn't say religious products! Just witchcraft products!!!


    LET THIS BE AN EXAMPLE TO EVERYONE WHY I SOMETIMES GET UPSET OVER THE RELIGIOUS ISSUE!

    NOW, DO YOU START TO GET IT?


    I DO NOT BELIEVE THESE BIGOTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE ABW TO PROMOTE THEIR PROGRAM!!



    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

    [This message was edited by SSanf on November 12, 2003 at 08:22 PM.]

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    SSanf,

    Do not get all huffy at me for what I’m about to say.

    Most people do not see witchcraft as a religion; I always thought it was something someone got involved with. Until meeting you I had no idea witchcraft is thought to be a religion. I bet they do not consider it a religion either.

    I do not think you have any grounds to fight on this issue as all merchants have a right to say what is associated with there products.

    Just my opinion and you can be mad at me if you want!

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    I'm with you 100% on this one SSanf as certain cultures refuse to integrate with any one who does not believe exactly as they do. If your not one of them your considered marked for death if you set foot in their lands. They would have no problem imegrating any where as long as they never had to associate or assimulate into someone elses culture.

    Seems this is the problem causing the richest USA State to be on the verge of bankrupsy. The liberals there do not feel USA citizens should adopt our constitution, culture, freedom for whorship of all religions, speak English in our schools and Pledge alegience to our Flag and History. Some just seek a socialist welfare state where they can spit on our American Heritage and democracy.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I do not think you have any grounds to fight on this issue as all merchants have a right to say what is associated with there products.
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    Yes, and since affiliates also choose what programs to use, I am asking everyone here not to use this program until they educate themselves and stop the discrimination.

    EcomCity.com thank you for your support.


    If they do not know that witchcraft is a religion practiced by many people, they need to educate themselves. I can refer them to many sources of information.

    When you say you thought it was something someone got involved with, of course we are involved with our religion. Who isn't? I think you meant something bad that someone got involved with. Witchcraft, particularly Wicca, is not in any way bad.

    The fact is that they offer products for sale. To refuse to sale those products based on a persons religious beliefs is blantantly wrong.


    If you do not agree, ask yourself how would you like to go to Walmart and see a sign that said "Jews not allowed"?

    Here is a question to Arabian Bazaar. Do you also decline or would you decline a Jewish site?



    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yes, and since affiliates also choose what programs to use, I am asking everyone here not to use this program until they educate themselves and stop the discrimination. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Wouldn't it be like them saying "We ask all fellow merchants to terminate affiliate SSanf until she stops making negative posts about the US government..."

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    I have never made a negative post about the US government.

    I have decried policies that I do not agree with and disliked certain office holders.

    This is not the same thing in any way.

    If you interpret people not agreeing with you as being against the US government....well, I see that as narrow view.

    And, if you found me doing something unethical with my site, you would be in the right to ask merchants to terminalte me.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    I've been to your site and felt a little insulted as a Christian. You belittle Christians a little and link to more sites that do the same. I could imagine the merchant felt insulted and thought their customers might feel the same way if they accidentally stumbled upon your site.

    I am behind you 100% however you may want to read a little deeper than what was said in the letter. Also I know you have a passion for your beliefs and I also know you want to sell products to make money. You might serve yourself better be seperating the two a little more. If I were to tell everyone how to get born again while selling them something they would leave my site in a quick hurry.

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    If you are refering to the link, I think you are, (PM me) It is just factual information. I can't help it if someones feels belittled by the facts. They are what they are.

    If it is links to the news, well, it is what it is.

    The only other link I can think of is a very funny satire. And, I can see how you might think it is strong. But, I have hundreds of links so we may not be thinking of the same thing at all.

    The site I wanted to sale on has absolutely no editiorial or instructional religious content, just products and that is all. My sales sites ARE separated from my editorial and instructional site. I link very few selected products on my main site. I think it is about two products. The sales sites don't even have the same domain names.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

    [This message was edited by SSanf on November 12, 2003 at 09:49 PM.]

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    I have never made a negative post about the US government.
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    In fact, I would imagine that Ssanf, because of her religion, is highly supportive of a system of government that allows for freedom of religion. She just has grievances against the current administration, which is okie-dokie by me, that's what it's all about.

    If Ssanf was overwriting my links, or 'cloaking' - whatever the heck that is - or taking advantage of other affiliates in some way, I'd say screw her. But she seems to be an honest, hardworking affiliate, that actively develops her sites. They were wrong to cut her for that reason.

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    Did you mail the merchant and explain? While I understand your feelings, the chance to educate should not be overlooked in this case.

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    My feelings are nothing to concern about. It's important to know that I am not in support of the merchant and think they need an education. You could contact the better business bureau and see if they could be any assistance.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have never made a negative post about the US government.

    I have decried policies that I do not agree with and disliked certain office holders.

    This is not the same thing in any way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Isn't this making negative posts about US government? What is government but the policies and office holders...

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you interpret people not agreeing with you as being against the US government....well, I see that as narrow view.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That was not the point. I'm not an american, and don't give an untargeted click about politics of this country most of the time.

    But do you see how defensive you got when I said what I said?
    You get offended by people who don't share your beliefs and don't call some things the same names as you do.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And, if you found me doing something unethical with my site, you would be in the right to ask merchants to terminalte me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hmm, "unethical" is an extremely subjective term. For many people your belives would seem unethical...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In fact, I would imagine that Ssanf, because of her religion, is highly supportive of a system of government that allows for freedom of religion. She just has grievances against the current administration, which is okie-dokie by me, that's what it's all about. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ok, I'll rephrase myself

    ...until she stops making posts against policies of the current administration...

    That is really not the point.

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    This is a merchant I can do without.

    As the song goes:
    "I'm not afraid of your Allah,
    I'm not afraid of your Buddah,
    I'm not afraid of your Jesus,
    I'm just afraid of what you do in the name of your God."

    And as Utah Phillips often quotes:
    "Loyalty to my country always.
    Loyalty to my government when it deserves it."

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    IMO, merchants can partner with whomever they choose, and affiliates should do the same. The reason given is not in itself bigotry but most likely a provision of their terms of service.

    "big·ot
    One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

    * Source: www.Dictionary.com

    Draw your own conclusions on the relavancy of the terms selected.

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    Well, this merchant has certainly shown those qualities and I feel affiliates have the right to know that.

    If you are implying that the same applies to me, I am very much the crusader by nature and I do believe I tend to be rather staunch on political issues that I feel may be detremental to myself and others. Personally, I feel that is part of what citizenship is about.

    I do not believe I have attacked anyone based on their religion although my editiorial site does strongly promote Paganism and point out the errors of other competing belief systems. But, after all that is the sole purpose of the site. So, of course, it would.

    But, that is not my sales site which has no comment at all on any other religion. My editorial site should not have anything to do with this commerce issue.

    This is about a merchant who has products that are offered for sale but who declines to have them promoted on a site targeted for people of one certain religious faith, knowing full well that the products would be of interest to people of that faith.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SSanf:
    My editorial site should not have anything to do with this commerce issue.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You have every right to forward whatever opinion you like, they have every right to choose not to be associated with an opinion they disagree with. Just as the Dixie Chicks can say whatever they want, and people can choose not to buy their records because they disagree with that opinion.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Isn't this making negative posts about US government? What is government but the policies and office holders... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The US government is the US Constitution, The Bill of Rights and the laws of the land.

    It is also the Office of the Presidency, the judicial system and the Congress.

    It is not the individual people serving in office nor is it any specific policy. The laws, people and policies are subject to change if we, the people, choose to redress our government and use our vote to change them.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    OK, I do not want to drag this out forever. I did want to tell you exactly what this merchant is like.

    That being done, I reiterate that I ask every affiliate of good concience not to use them.

    I think I made my point. Either you agree or you don't but at least you can make an informed choice. So, I am getting back to work.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    I think we're overlooking something basic here.

    Someone operating a business in U.A.E. probably has no choice in these matters.

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    It seems to me that it is irrelevant what the merchant thinks of witch craft. The only important thing for them is what they think the public think of witchcraft. If they think (like most of us I suppose) that witchcraft is something most people see as a negative dark force, then they will stop their products being sold on those sites whether they themselves know that is not the whole truth.

    ANything that will impact sales will be removed. That is the law of business. If a merchant associates with eBates, do we remove them? If so why? Is it because we don't agree with what eBates does? The government thinks eBates is OK though.


    Business is business.

    Until the whole world is educated, you cannot expect companies to take strong stances. This is just too cut-throat a business.


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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SSanf:

    Witchcraft, particularly Wicca, is not in any way bad.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    People always fear what they don't understand.

    Whether it be religion , color of skin , economic level , or people with purple hair , insecure , jealous and ignorant people will always harbor a fear and resentment to others who are not "like" them. And there will always be power hungry "dictators" who will work these feelings to rile the ignorant masses in support of a "cause".

    SSanf , just pity these people for their ignorance , and don't support their propagation of that ignorance. ( or for that matter anyone who espouses prejudice in any form ) Try and educate when you can , but more important lead by example. Be part of the solution , and don't support the problem.


    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    If you do not agree, ask yourself how would you like to go to Walmart and see a sign that said "Jews not allowed"?
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    Not at Walmart , but those signs have been posted elsewhere throughout history , as well as "Blacks , not allowed" , "Arabs , not allowed " etc.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    Here is a question to Arabian Bazaar. Do you also decline or would you decline a Jewish site?
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Probably if the site related to the Kabballah aspects of the Jewish religion


    God has a funny sense of humor and turnabout. What goes around always eventually comes around. I wonder how many affiliates and customers stopped buying from Arabian Bazaar after 9/11 , just because it was Arabian ?

    I also wonder how Arabian Bazaar felt about the horrific events that occur in the Balkans , just because those innocents were considered "infidels" and "sub human" .

    It always amazes me that people do unto others what they DON'T want done unto themselves.


    That's enough preaching for today , as I could and do , go on for hours about this subject.


    God , or whatever name , Bless ,

    Cliff

    PS. Just remember do NO harm unto others , or harm WILL come to you and yours. As surely as the sun will rise.

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    Gotcha, Cliff.

    But, to say nothing also does harm.

    "An ye harm none" also means to not allow yourself to be harmed if possible. At least, don't stand by and do nothing if you are being harmed. At least, try to give the one doing harm good cause not to harm you again or someone else in the same way.

    Whether this has harmed me, I do not know for sure. I believe I could sale the products and therefore I am harmed. I believe Pagans and witches could sale the products since similar items are all over Pagan sites. But, perhaps they would have never sold. I guess, we will never know.

    And, you know what the real irony is? He worries about being associated with witchcraft sites to no avail. People who don't like witches rarely come to witch sites that are clearly labeled as mine are. They certainly don't shop there. So, they don't even know who my merchants are generally speaking.

    Thank you for the kind response,
    Blessed Be

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

    [This message was edited by SSanf on November 13, 2003 at 06:21 AM.]

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    This is ironic on several levels.

    Whatever the merchant's personal opinion on this matter, we will not find out from anything he posts in this forum.

    If his personal stance differs from that of his regime, he could get in quite serious trouble for voicing it in public.

    Because we enjoy freedom of speech we assume everbody else does...

    I say, give the guy a break. (Under the circumstances)

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