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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sandra,
    Thank you for your continued support of our site, your site does quite well in bringing us business. Unfortunately 2 of our manufactures have taken offense to the "Word 'Witch' in Title of my site" name and would like us to pull those items from your site.
    If you could please pull the "Garden Storage" category from your site it would be greatly appreciated. All the items in this category are made by 2 manufacturers and these are the two that have a problem with the name of your site. If you could do this at your earliest convienence it would be greatly appreciated.
    This does not reflect our views towards your site, but that our 2 of our manufacturers, so I hope that you can understand.

    Thank you
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    Wicca and Witches are very earth centered and environmentally aware!!! But, apparently we aren't good enough to buy some garden products! Nor, should we be able to earn a living or compete on equal footing if our religion is known.

    I'm not committed to it but I am thinking about contacting the ACLU to see if I have grounds for legal action. If I do, I will go after that Arabian guy as well.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

    [This message was edited by SSanf on November 22, 2003 at 01:14 AM.]

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    yeah.. oh well... change your frigging site or get the plug pulled gurl. that's life. when you manufacture your own products then you can say what you want. until then YOU BETTER DO IT NOW! and don't make me have to tell you again!



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    Super Sh!t Stirrer SSanf's Avatar
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    I do not believe it is legal to refuse to sale products offered to the general public to anyone based on religious dislike.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    Uhmmmm,

    I have to say for every single statement you make EVERYTME you have me going; Ya all right kick their butts.

    Then you loose me on the closing EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Blah the rednecks, black those Arabs, blah whatever. Granted I understand what you are after but you really do SCREW it up every single time with your blatant bigotry!

    I am for all kinds of stuff but DAMN look in the mirror please! DANG

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    Sandra, I do not understand what your problem is. I have been a great supporter of Arabs in general. After 911, I was one of the first to speak out for our good Arab American neighbors and fellow citzens. And, I took a lot of flak for it, too. You weren't here then or you might remember.

    Above, I was obviously refering to one particular Arabian who has a site called Arabian Bazzar or something like that. Hence I refered to him as that Arabian guy; ie the guy from Arabian Bazzar. I was not refering to Arabs in general. Perhaps, you just have a hard time following the conversation.

    I am starting to believe you have some personal grudge against me since you insist on reading things into my posts that simply are not there.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    While it may not be legal to not sell products to people based on religion, companies do have the right to choose where they advertise. They are not refusing to sell you the products, just refusing to advertise on your site, which is their right. They do have a right to have their name associated only with those they choose to associate with.

    While I understand your feeling and sympathize, It is their choice. You are just an advertising venue for them.

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    Connie, you may be right. But, I may make some inquiries, anyway.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    And U.S. Laws would pertain to a company located in the UAE (Arabian Bazaar) why?

    In case you have forgotten the internet is not just the U.S. and is not governed by the U.S. Laws.

    The other company is not refusing to sell you products, they are asking you not to promote certain products because their manufacturers object. I'm sure you can buy as many of those gardening products as you so desire.

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    Yeah, you're probably right. It is advertising.

    But, none-the-less, this is quite upsetting.

    Well, I think I saw most of the same stuff with another SAS merchant.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SSanf:
    Sandra, I do not understand what your problem is. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sandra,

    Its always about how you say things, I follow the conversation very well. I am all for you every time then you come up with some horrible bigotry.

    Why can you not stop saying Rednecks, Arabians?

    Why not "company Name". Or this or that company bet you describe people by their color also.

    You really do not see how you speak do you!

    Kind of scary.

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    I get the same kind of treatment sometimes, some merchants don't want to be listed on a coupon site. Their choice and their loss..

    Connie Berg
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    double post

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> bet you describe people by their color also. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That is really silly to me. Of course, if I am describing someone color would be relevant.

    What if the cops asked me about someone who robbed a bank. Do you think I would tell them the height, weight and eye color but NOT mention the color? Absurd.

    But, even in an informal situation if someone asked which man and there was a black man among a bunch of white men and for some reason I wanted to indicate the black man, what do you think, I would say the guy in the green jacket or the black man or the black man in the green jacket? Would saying the black man NOT be OK? Well, then how about the blond man?

    Tell you what. You can call me an old white witch woman any time. I promise I won't be offended because I am all those things.

    Please explain to me why someone of any color would object to having their color as an intrinsic part of their physical description, anyway? Color shouldn't be all hush, hush like it is something to be ashamed of. Color is neutral.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

    [This message was edited by SSanf on November 22, 2003 at 02:30 AM.]

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    double post

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Please explain to me why someone of any color would object to having their color as an intrinsic part of their physical description, anyway? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Because of the perception that people who only use color to describe a person, are ONLY seeing the color and not the other attributes!

    Granted, avoiding mentioning the color can get to such extremes that it ends up being silly, but noticing other things (like that green jacket) and mentioning them are often appreciated by those in the minority (even when the "minority" is one white guy in a group of black guys).

    Nobody wants to feel like they are being seen as a "1-D" character based on one obvious characteristic.

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    Yeah, I hate it when everyone points me out as the pink lady...

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    Well, I don't believe I do or even could only use color to describe people. That would certainly lead to a lot of confusion. I use it when it is helpful or relevant to the description.

    The problem here is that the name of the store is Arabian Bazaar. If I had said that Surplus guy or something like that she wouldn't have had a problem with it. But, I think I was clearly refering to his store, not his place of birth.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    Thanks leader for taking the ball, you write what I am trying so earnestly to explain.

    I have read numerous comments from Sandra and as she works toward having her opinion heard, she some how (possibly) inadvertently shows her own Bigotry. By stating a color or a race or a not so nice expletive to describe a person instead of the business. In doing this you loose all credibility.

    I wish I was not dyslexic and had the gift of writing as other do here on this board.


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    Better be clear on this issue of your religion. I BACK YOU 100% you have rights and they are not being met. But its not because I am red, black, blue, Jewish, redneck or a Jehovah witness. For all you know I could possibly be a witch.

    My point is you are so busy attacking you never even thought to ask did you?

    Don’t ask -- It’s the point I am trying to make!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Connie Berg:
    I get the same kind of treatment sometimes, some merchants don't want to be listed on a coupon site. Their choice and their loss..
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    or, their brand protection and long-term gain. Debatable.

    Anyway.

    SSanf,

    When you say
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    I do not believe it is legal to refuse to sale products offered to the general public to anyone based on religious dislike.
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    There are two things wrong with it. First, according to e-mail, nobody said that they disliked your "religion". Frankly, the letter was politely crafted not to offend you.

    Second point is the word religion. I never heard of Wicca before, but the word witch recalls negative thougts, and I believe it does to many people. It's not illegal nor ethical that a company may want not to be associated with you, based only on that, the mention of the word witch and their practises. I'm not sure if Wicca is a religion, either. Just because you practice and view it like a religion, or some other people do also, doesn't make it a religion. A religion has more depth than that.

    And, why don't you clearly sepearate your business-centric sites from your witch related sites, so you won't have this headache. Your frequent posts about this subject is making me think that you're trying to impose your practice as a religion on us.

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    Actually, I do not belive that I have ever refered to anyones color or race. If so, where and in what context? Please, do a search and find it for me so I can see what the heck you are refering to because I have no clue.

    In fact, I don't even think that is possible because everyone on this board would have called me on it. And, Haiko and the moderators wouldn't put up with it.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm not sure if Wicca is a religion, either. Just because you practice and view it like a religion, or some other people do also, doesn't make it a religion. A religion has more depth than that <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Wicca is recognised by the United States Congress and the Armed Services as a religion.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And, why don't you clearly sepearate your business-centric sites from your witch related sites, so you won't have this headache. Your frequent posts about this subject is making me think that you're trying to impose your practice as a religion on us. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I have a number of sites. The items for sale on the Pagan/Wiccan/Witch sites are of particular interest to that community. Gardening is of particular interest to earth centric religions.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Your frequent posts about this subject is making me think that you're trying to impose your practice as a religion on us. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I am sorry you feel that way. My posts are generally in regard to how I am impacted as a minority affiliate marketer.

    Unless directly asked, I do not go into the details of my religious beliefs. Usually, after a brief answer, I refer the questioner to a resource away from ABW.

    I do share personal news such as I am going to be away for a gathering and so forth, like everyone else does if they are going off for a while. Or, I went and had fun.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    Could we get back to the point of this thread? Merchants are refusing to do business based on religious values. That is wrong and those merchants don't deserve our business. The best thing would be for the company to make a policy where the will not advertise on or near any religous content at all no matter what faith belief or religion.

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    Yes, thank you, that is what I wanted to talk about.

    I am sure the members here already know whether or not I have made bigoted, racist posts.

    If that is a merchants policy, they should apply it to all religions, IMO.

    The exception of course, would be religious items that would be sold on relevant sites.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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    I have to agree with SSanf on this. Her simply referring to a man as arabian is not bigotry. It is arguable however that Sandra calling SSanf a bigot based on poor assumption is much worse than SSanf referring to someone by their ethnicity. A bigot is defined as one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ, and I hardly think SSanf has expressed any of the above. It can be careless to call someone an “Arabian” in a formal discussion (for ex: Bush calling pakistanians “pakis” is simply careless), but due to the fact that this is an informal discussion, I hardly see the reason to criticize SSanf on her choice of words. Calling SSanf a bigot because of this is even more irrational. I have also had a bit too much whiskey, so don’t take my word as gospel.

    But back to the point of this thread, i believe the merchants do and should have the power to choose who they want to affiliate with. People with religious, pornographic, political, or whatever sites may argue the same point "I should have the right to advertise" but in reality, since the product in question is owned by the merchant, the merchant has the right to choose who to affiliate with. In order for life to be fair for some, it has to be unfair for others

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    Thank you. Actually I wasn't referring to his ethnicity but to his store. If I had been referring to his ethnicity, I would have said "Arab guy". But, even so, I have never said anything anywhere that could be construed as not having a good regard for people of Arab extraction. I don't like the fact that this individual rejected my site. In fact, I deeply resent it. But, what does that have to do with "Arabians" as people, anyhow.

    Mr.Merchant, if you do business in any way what-so-ever with parasites, your products will not be sold on my sites!!

    Farewell, CJ! I loved you when you were young and pure. I will try to remember you that way. Disclaimer: Comments are to be interpreted as opinion unless otherwise noted.

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