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    Post New law in February. CAN'T SELL USED KIDS CLOTHES ANYMORE
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    Barring a reprieve, regulations set to take effect next month could force thousands of clothing retailers and thrift stores to throw away trunkloads of children's clothing.

    They'll all have to go to the landfill," said Adele Meyer, executive director of the National Assn. of Resale and Thrift Shops.

    Cynthia Broockman, who owns two consignment stores and a thrift shop in Virginia, recently stopped accepting children's products for resale. That raised the ire of a man who was trying to sell his son's castoffs there and had not heard of the new rules.

    "I think it's not understood by people how sweeping and far-reaching this is," she said. "The ripples that are going to go forth from this are just astonishing."

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    Exemptions in this law
    The Los Angeles Times reports that the The Consumer Product Safety Commission has made clarifications in this law with some proposed changes.
    The commission's two members (a third seat is vacant) voted tentatively to exempt:

    * Items with lead parts that a child cannot access;

    * Clothing, toys and other goods made of natural materials such as cotton and wood; and

    * Electronics that are impossible to make without lead.

    The commission also tentatively approved a rule that clarifies how it determines exclusions from the law.

    The vote opens up a 30-day public comment period that will begin when notice of the rules are printed in the Federal Register. Interested parties can find out how to submit comments by https:// www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsialist.aspx "> www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsialist.aspx from the CPSC at www.cpsc.gov .

    No final rules will be approved until after Feb. 10, when the testing rules go into effect.
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    Does this law affect you? Follow the instructions and send your comments here:
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    Comments must be received by the Office of the Secretary no later than January 30, 2009.
    Comments may be filed by email to Sec102ComponentPartsTesting@cpsc.gov. Comments
    may also be filed by facsimile to (301) 504-0127 or by mail or delivery to the Office of the
    Secretary, Consumer Product Safety Commission, Room 502, 4330 East-West Highway,
    Bethesda, Maryland, 20814. Comments should be captioned ďSection 102 Mandatory Third-
    Party Testing of Component Parts.Ē Interested persons will also have additional opportunities
    to comment following publication of any notices of rulemaking proceedings in the Federal
    Register which are commenced under this section.
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    Wow - that's a pretty serious law.

    Bound to piss off many.
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    That will also make it very difficult for some families to afford clothing for their children. Such a shame. Too many lawyers...
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    Too many lawmakers.
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    Illegal to sell kids items.
    Voice your opposition to the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act by mailing one used piece of clothing (please mail clean clothing only) to your Senators and Congressmen. Let them know how you feel about this new law.

    By mailing your Senators and Congressmen the used clothing it will draw more attention to the situation than just a letter. A letter takes up little office space, the clothing will pile up and become an eye sore. Imagine if each Senator and Congressmen received just 1,000 letters with a piece of clothing in it. Thatís 1,000 pieces of clothing. Itís hard to ignore that.

    LETíS BE HEARD!

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    Rhia - thanks for the clarification. This nonsense cannot stand.

    Bill, Michael, Allen - So true, so pathetically true.
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    This one is hitting close to home. I have been helping my daughter build an online store that deals in almost new kids clothes. These are name brand, top of the line clothes for the most part that mothers can purchase for a fraction of the original cost.

    From what I am reading, we are out of business as of Feb 10. There will be about 1500 pieces of kids clothing that according to what I am reading, can not be given to charity. These clothes must be taken to the dump as hazzardous waste which means, I will need to pay for disposal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doserbud@sunflower.com
    Voice your opposition to the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act by mailing one used piece of clothing (please mail clean clothing only) to your Senators and Congressmen. Let them know how you feel about this new law.

    By mailing your Senators and Congressmen the used clothing it will draw more attention to the situation than just a letter. A letter takes up little office space, the clothing will pile up and become an eye sore. Imagine if each Senator and Congressmen received just 1,000 letters with a piece of clothing in it. Thatís 1,000 pieces of clothing. Itís hard to ignore that.

    LETíS BE HEARD!
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    what about sending it to a third world country as a donation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by guinness618
    what about sending it to a third world country as a donation?
    Exporting of anything is a pain in the butt and expensive. It is illegal to export hazzardous waste.
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    i think we all realize that these clothes are not hazardous waste.
    and i am sure there is someone out there who could figure out a way to make money on sending these clothes overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelColey
    Too many lawmakers.
    They don't read the laws they pass. They're either too stupid, or too lazy, or both.

    I got curious a couple of years ago about what happens to unused money people have deposited into their HC Flex accounts. After several days of digging I found a video piece online, done by Channel 6 in Corpus Christi, which had the answer: the employER gets it.

    But here's the thing. They interviewed Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), one of the Congresspeople who helped push for Flex accounts -- and SHE didn't know that's where the money would go. It was her own pet project and she'd never bothered to think through the implications of the way the legislation is written.

    I also tried my hand at guestimating how much money we're talking here. Nobody knows, of course, but here's what I jotted on the back of my envelope:

    • Bankrate article on studies by benefits specialists show employees typically forfeit more than $100 each year in flexible medical accounts.

      According to the Department of Labor, as of March 2007, there were 146.3 million people employed in the U.S.

      And according a brief published by the National Business Group on Health, about 15-20% of employees use FSAs.


    So, conservatively, fifteen percent of 146.3 million = 21,945,000; conservatively figure on average these employees forfeit $100 each.

    $2.2 billion that U.S. employees earn, don't pay tax on (not that there's anything wrong with that) and then through a stupid loophole reverts to employers.

    Not a bad little windfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guinness618
    i am sure there is someone out there who could figure out a way to make money on sending these clothes overseas.
    Maybe, but it's already being done big time. I have volunteered for an organization that operates a free clothing storehouse for the needy so first learned of this from then. Have since seen news reports on it.

    The US generates so much unwanted clothing here that even places that give it away can be extremely selective. At the place I volunteered, anything that is damaged or soiled in any way gets sent directly overseas.

    The Salvation Army ships out anything that hasn't moved within four weeks.

    Of course that may change some depending on the economy -- we might decide not to toss off last year's fashions quite so hastily . . .

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    This latest in regulatory crapola is NOT a law, it is a regulation. Laws are passed by
    Congress ... regulations by imbeciles, impowered by idiots (Congress).

    The best thing to do is ignore it ... if they want to ding you, let them. They have to prove you are violating the regulation ... obviously you don't want to be selling anything with LEAD in it to anyone but congressional representatives and federal burearucrats.

    If the idiots cite you, run down to the ACLU and get some legal help. Then file an action with the Civil Rights Commission, accusing the guys who cited you with violating your Civil Rights ...

    Normally, everything goes away. Because if the guys who cited you lose the Civil Rights deal, they are personally libel for $10k minimum fine and they lose their cushy federal job to boot.

    This whole crapola was engineered by the Kids Clothing Trade Association to get rid of a huge area of competition and force people to buy new kids clothes.

    Here's the question that needs to be posed: If it is dangerous to SELL used kids clothing, how is it NOT dangerous to GIVE IT AWAY?

    The answer to that question has interesting ramifications. Is it child abuse to give your 6 year old, clothes outgrown by you 9 year old?

    Here's the sure fire way to blow up this whole thing into a major political storm. Under the federal whistle blower statutes charge the 2 members of the panel with violating the regulation by filing a criminal proceeding ... then simply ask them this question?

    Have you ever given away or sold any used childrens clothes to any one, at any time?

    If they have kids, they simply have to say yes or be quilty of perjury. NO one who has ever had kids is NOT GUILTY of violating this regulation at some time.

    The problem with most people, is they are too scared to fight back and use the very same regulations and laws against the guys who made them.

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    Maybe I'm wrong, but from what rhea posted, natural fibers are exempted, thus jeans and T-shirts made from cotton, wool sweaters down jackets are fine so Witzer's daughter's business should do ok assuming that if the clothes is over 50% cotton it should be exempt

    Anyway I guess no more used polyester clothes for 7 year old boys as if they wanted to wear them in the first place.
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    If selling used clothes with lead in them is against the law / regulations. Then why isn't selling new clothes with lead not against any laws? Used clothes were new clothes at one time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight01
    If selling used clothes with lead in them is against the law / regulations. Then why isn't selling new clothes with lead not against any laws? Used clothes were new clothes at one time.
    I'm going to take a far leap and guess that new clothes don't use the same processes and don't have lead in them anymore, but I could be completely wrong... I'm just guessing.

    The whole thing just sounds ridiculous, especially in this tough economy, I'm sure a lot of parents rely on the thrift stores to keep their kids clothed. Freezing vs. warm polyester that MIIIIIGHT be harmful... I'd have to go with the warm if faced with that kind of options.

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    Starting February 10, any item--including clothing--sold for children 12-and-under must be tested for lead.

    Not only must manufacturers test new clothing, but the law is retroactive and includes everything already on store shelves. That means retailers--including thrift stores and consignment shops--will have to test their inventory or throw it out.
    There is a lot of conflicting information floating around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KirstenM
    They don't read the laws they pass. They're either too stupid, or too lazy, or both.
    You left out too influenced by special interest groups who often write and propose legislation via backchannels... like too lazy, but worse.

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    Guess which political party is at the bottom of this draconian law???
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    the story reads..."The Consumer Product Safety Commission, which is responsible for enforcing the law, on Monday will consider exempting clothing and toys made of natural materials such as wool or wood."

    consider the boot of pissed parents up the butt of the commission what a joke. what's funny i think is that people will be more upset about this law than they ever were about the patriot act.

    who mentioned liberties hahahaha you jest ;-)
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    This is a bunch of BS. I am mailing clothes to my senators. I am going to tell people at church that live off of thrift stores for clothing. I buy all of our clothes when I say our, I mean my daughters mine my husbands clothes via ebay or thrift stores. Don't make me make my daughters clothes......
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