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    InPrivate Browsing in IE8 is Trouble for us
    Was just reading this on PCWorld and it looks like the days of cookie tracking are coming to an end, or I should say are leading to an end.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/15835...o_ie8_rc1.html
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    Not worried about this, one reason - http://affiliatetip.com/news/article002444.php

    Also, MSN, Google etc. are in this business, one way or another. Affiliate networks, affiliates themselves etc. I don't think they're going to do things that f themselves.

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    Thanks for the link, Having cj as a tester does not make me feel all warm and fuzzy though.
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    They get a cut of the affiliate action, so this would impact them as well. I don't have IE8 yet but I do have Chrome and I don't use the Incognito window, not sure the stats on that. I think just by general behavior, most people just use the regular browser. The Incognito window and InPrivate Browsing is probably going to be used primarily for porn and stuff like that. Kids trying to hide their browsing activities from the parents, husbands from the wives and vice versa. We'll see.

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    End users will quickly see the headaches behind session based vs cookie surfing and shopping and I believe will overwhelmingly stay with cookie based. Additionally it's not the default so only a small percentage will institute. Lastly there is still session based tracking, so sales will still track - meaning a potential cut in return days but parasites do that to us already so the net result would be marginal IMO.
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    This is kind of related but a bit off topic, and may have been covered already - I just upgraded to IE8 and there's a problem with the display of ABestWeb.

    You have to click on 'tools/compatilbility view' before it displays correctly.

    Sorry if it's already known.

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    Is there a download for that where it doesn't overtake my current IE7 and it's more a standalone browser?

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    I don't think so. It's so intimately tied into the Operating System that it takes over faster than the Borg collective.

    It's still in Beta and probably best left well alone unless you have to upgrade (I had to).

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    Session based cookies yuk
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    The Incognito window and InPrivate Browsing is probably going to be used primarily for porn and stuff like that. Kids trying to hide their browsing activities from the parents, husbands from the wives and vice versa.
    Agreed 100%. The shock and mental stress of having to remember an old password and enter it in the correct field will be overwhelming. Should have just called it PervBrowsing.

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    Cookie-blocking add-ons have been available for Firefox for some time, and I use 'em turned on always, turning them off only as needed for specific sites.

    I started doing this for two reasons, both constituting forms of "cookie abuse":

    - Tracking cookies
    A lot of sites use tracking systems to monitor the user's movements across the web. This info is used for everything from market analysis to customized ads. Personally, it strikes me as more than a bit creepy, esp. given how freely companies have surrendered info to federal agencies. The ability for corporations and/or government agencies to build profiles of individuals based on this sort of tracking info is a major concern at EFF.org and other privacy advocates. Really, it should concern all of us.

    - Unnecessary cookies
    Too many sites used cookies for dumb things, things that don't matter or could be done without cookies. If I'm shopping I expect to have cookies set, if I'm using a service for which I must establish an account I expect to have cookies set, but if I'm just looking for contact info I don't want a site to tell me they can't even render the page showing a simple phone number and address until I turn cookies on. Dumb dumb dumb. Unless I dig into the page's source (which often means pulling down included libs) I can't really know why they feel they need to set the cookie, and more often than not they don't say. I don't have time to read someone's source just to learn how they're abusing my cookies; it's enough for me to know that they are, and I move on.


    These are unfortunate abuses, since they raise fears about cookie use in general which can hamper sites making good use of them for the customer. And hence, now Microsoft is joining in with what Safari and Firefox have been providing for a long time, putting the user back in control of their cookies.

    I know I'm not representative of the typical user, and I agree most folks won't deal with the frustrations that come from trying to protect oneself from cookie abuse, and will just leave them on.

    But for those who will use cookie blockers, if your site needs them at a minimum explain why and how to turn them back on, at least temporarily. This will allow folks to make informed decisions about when to activate cookies, and as part of a shopping experience they probably won't mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VampireSkunk
    This is kind of related but a bit off topic, and may have been covered already - I just upgraded to IE8 and there's a problem with the display of ABestWeb.

    You have to click on 'tools/compatilbility view' before it displays correctly.

    Sorry if it's already known.
    Didn't know, can you post / forward me the details of what is affected?
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    I'll post a screenshot (as soon as I can figure out how to do it...)

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    take screenie, click go advanced, scroll down to manage attachments - upload image click submit reply
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    I attached it as a word doc (I think! ) Nope it's too large. Will try again

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    you can also email it to me if it's not to much to ask, might be easier - haiko@
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    yep e-mail on its way

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    you can use browsershots.org to view

    http://browsershots.org/screenshots/...28f7705e0c737/

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    I just put my websites through browsershots too and they are messed up too

    dumb Microsoft. I don't see too many people will be using if everyone's site is messed up.

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    Isnt this similar to users who clear ther browser cache after they exit??

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    OK I might be a bit dumb here, but doesn't the default privacy setting (medium) in IE7 block most cookies? (tools > internet options > privacy)

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    InPrivate Browsing will also prevent some cookies and other content from being placed by third-party Web sites. According to Microsoft, the sites that will get blocked will be determined based on the frequency that these sites attempt to place cookies. Commission Junction cookies are “first party” rather than “third party” because they are set when a consumer clicks an affiliate link that points the browser to Commission Junction domains whereupon the cookies are set and the browser is redirected to an advertiser’s site.
    I wonder what would happen if you are using something besides an affiliate link, say
    for example Amazon's astore which allows you to show it on your site in an iframe.
    Wouldn't the iframe make it a third party cookie, and would the site get blocked then?

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    I've just gone into GoldenCAN and checked their sample sites. Every one of those sites that I checked is having GoldenCAN cookies blocked by IE7 when privacy is set to default. Am I missing something here or have I just got this whole cookie blocking thing all wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestorm
    I've just gone into GoldenCAN and checked their sample sites. Every one of those sites that I checked is having GoldenCAN cookies blocked by IE7 when privacy is set to default. Am I missing something here or have I just got this whole cookie blocking thing all wrong?
    When I check the sample sites, when I click on the actual product link
    from the golden can site and go to the merchant's site, then the cookie is
    created for that merchant.

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    Ahh, so the little red icon that brings up a list of banned affiliate sites (like the one for abebooks that appears here as I write this) is nothing to worry about? Thanks for clearing that up for me.
    Cheers

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