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    See full story - CLICK HERE But does anybody think this will reduce spam? "Skeptics say it will only encourage businesses to send out more unwanted e-mail, as the new law allows marketers to send messages to anyone with an e-mail address as long as they identify themselves clearly and honor consumer requests to leave them alone." Surely the true spammers will outsource their spam servers to countries where no similar laws exist.

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    Phase I is to get the USA inline with European anti-spamm laws and isolate the buggers to 3rd world countries. Then launch the do-not-mail me ever list with your Opt-Out crapolla.

    Next is Phase II. IP block whole countries till they root out their spam hosting operations making all their e-mail undeliverable. I still like my way of charging the e-mail marketers bulk e-Stamp rates and give all ISP customers 500 free e-mails a month. No stamp no delivery...period.

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    Who would get the money? Sounds like corruption waiting to happen. Once it became monetized with a stamp, there would be vested interests in seeing to it that we get MORE spam.

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    I don't know about anyone else here, but my SPAM volume has increased since the first Felony was charged for SPAM.

    I cannot believe the volume flowing in.

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    Stnad by for a HORRENDOUS increase in the volume of spam coming it.

    Dumb, dumb, dumb.

    Just what we've come to expect.

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    In fact, I already noticed an increase in spam emails....
    I'm sure there will be more changes - both legislative and technical on the part of email providers and ISPs.
    The sad thing is that the spammers always manage to find a way to sneak through the barriers...

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    Once again, our fearless CLUELESS leaders have protected us from the evils lurking everywhere. Yes indeedy, my spam has gone way up the past few weeks.

    We have clueless politicians who are fossils. They haven't a clue as to what's really going on in the real world.

    We need to vote the bums out of office and elect some leaders who give a for a change!

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    Non one listens and you get these half assed results from the brain dead. From over a year ago the total and undefeatable solution.

    http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&...1&m=1286007661

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    I've been moving & finally got a temp dial-up at home to check my email and was swamped w/ more spam than I've had in a while...not sure if it's from this bill being passed, but I'm not happy.


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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EcomCity.com:
    I still like my way of charging the e-mail marketers bulk e-Stamp rates and give all ISP customers 500 free e-mails a month.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I just thought of this, so it may be all wet, but I'd think something along the lines of a 50/50 split for the cost would be interesting. i.e. say 2 cents to mail, if I send an email the recipient gets a penny credit in their account, when they email me back I get a penny, it would be a continual wash for us, but the bulk emailers would be paying 2 cents and I'd be earning 1 cent for each one - that would stop a lot of bulk real fast and if not It'd just build my own sending balance.

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    estamps will not work. What next, tax IM messages? I could list the 100 reasons why estamps would not work, but then I would have posted if for the 500th time. But i guess those who love big government would love estamps, more chance for the government to control yet another aspect of our lives. Look how good they did with this anti-spam law... I might as well shutdown my servers with the onslaught of spam that will come.

    What ever happened to the idea that states had rights?

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    Chet while you and others were continuing to open your spam filled e-mail boxes I have been fighting to eliminate spam and legitimize e-mail for marketing purposes.

    Read how my proposed idea gets slowing filtered into the thoughts of the power brokers who sucked the DMA/IAB lobbying contribution funds for years only to find the gorrilla marketers piss off the voters come election time. Since last year the USPS postmaster general, FTV chairman, Bill Gates & MSN Hotmail Crew, AOL, Yahoo , Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, Anti-spam organizations, and those pushing the Do Not call list were sent my proposal. No legit reason has been ever expressed by anyone that could disprove my proposal would eliminate spam. The only reason for spammers is they pay NOTHING to fill those e-mail boxes and they will refuse to identify themselves if forced to register legit addresses and phone# for purchasing bulk rate eStamps.

    "Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) . and New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer are expected to announce another anti-spam action on Thursday.

    At the national level, the Federal Trade Commission has used deceptive-business laws to go after spammers, though settlements generally involve promises to avoid spamming in the future rather than fines or jail time.

    Large Internet service providers and marketing and technology trade groups praised the new law, though many said it would need to be coupled with better filtering methods.

    Forrester Research analyst Jim Nail said the law would have little effect as spammers would simply move offshore and come up with new ways to evade filters and cover their tracks. A better solution would be to force all e-mail users to pay a fraction of a penny for each message sent, as a way to discourage indiscriminate mass e-mailings, he said.

    Civil-liberties advocate Ari Schwartz said the bill would likely make it easier for Internet service providers and prosecutors to go after spammers, though it was not without flaws.

    Spammers who already violate existing fraud laws are unlikely to honor opt-out requests, and the anti-pornography provisions could prove difficult to enforce, said Schwartz, an associate director at the Washington-based Center for Democracy and Technology.

    And by preventing individual lawsuits, Congress shut the door on an effective way to harness consumer anti-spam sentiment, he said. "There shouldn't be extremely high expectations for this law," he said. Page 2 of http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...1&pageNumber=1

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    If our wonderful politicians had really wanted to do something for the public with this Anti-Spam Bill, they could have made it illegal for ANY commercial entity to send out solicitations to ANYONE who hasn't requested specifically to have that information sent to them.

    They could have made E-mail harvesting illegal, and charged a $1,000 fine for each E-mail address harvested and used without a specific, verifiable request logged for the information.

    No one seems to know of ANY LEGITIMATE REASON a person or company would have to harvest E-mail addresses, so why do they allow this practice to continue? Why do the SEs continue to list sites where this software can be purchased?

    I'm sick of having to delete I didn't ask for, from people and companies I've never heard of. It's a big game with them, oh yes, I asked for this to be sent to me. Sure I did. From 250 different addresses, 100 times a day, every day for weeks...so I can delete delete delete.

    Consumers should have more control over solicitations. I pay for an unlisted/unpublished phone number. This costs me extra. I only give the number out to people I want to have it. I don't want calls from others. PERIOD. Yet I have to add the number to a Do Not Call list so I don't get bothered. I think it should be the other way around. If you want to be contacted, you put your number ON THE LIST to call. If it ain't there, ya don't call...

    Same goes for my home address, and my E-mail addresses. If I didn't offer it to you, I probably don't want you to have it. SO WHY AM I BEING CONTACTED???

    We've got to get these dumb dolts who pass these laws out of office, and get some people in there who will do what's right for the consumer for a change!

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    Hey Mike, seriously, and heartfelt from me: F'U.

    Seriously. You don't know one damn thing about anything you talk about, espcially when you talk about other people.

    I have left you alone, because I really think you are chemically imbalanced, and arguing with you is like tripping a runner at the special Olympics. But a big christmas f u to you.

    Chet

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SandraR:
    I don't know about anyone else here, but my SPAM volume has increased since the first Felony was charged for SPAM.

    I cannot believe the volume flowing in.

    http://www.ssan.comhttp://www.artgoo...oon_avatar.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    I hear you.
    I actually gave up on email, the spammers won.
    I only check mail when I signed up somewhere or expecting something.

    I have an email account that is about 7 or 8 years old, it must be on every list that excists. My provider has a very decent spamfilter, I forward that mail automatically to a other provider that also has a spam filter in place, if I check mail once a day I have about 300 spam messages that came trough the double filter, sigh, I really gave it up.

    (I keep that address because of "nostalgic reasons" it is at the very first internet provider in my country, together with my low 6 digit ICQ number the proof of my pre-historic internet excistence )

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    Spam drove me away from my work email, had to shut it down. Checked on it one last time, had over 1,800 messages. As far as I could tell, 2 of those were from customers. The other 1,860+ was spam.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No legit reason has been ever expressed by anyone that could disprove my proposal would eliminate spam<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    What stops a spammer from using a computer located anywhere in the world with an smtp server that has not properly been configured to block relaying?

    You do realize that a large percentage of spammers use this tactic, right?

    Based on the esstamp proposal, personal PC users, students at educational institutions, etc may be charged by their ISPs for spammers illegally using their computers for spamming?

    You may be able to get around this however if the estamps have unique ids that are only known to the end user and the isp that could not be falsified by the spammer.

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    Fcol under the plan I submitted no pop3 e-mail server would forward to any e-mail box anything without a digital eStamp attached. Spammers could seize a open-relay machine and send out their spamms but none would be delivered without the eStamp Legit bulk e-mailers would log-in and buy blocks of e-stamps. All ISP's would issue 500-1000 digital e-stamps to their customers each month and bill for the overage.

    Simple to trigger acut-off alarm on a ISP POP3 server if a account hi-jacker tried to spam from someone elses account. Open -relays would have no digital metering account to authorize stamping those e-mails to a particular account. If someone's account did get hi-jacked and they received a large e-mail adjustment to their 20.00 monthly ISP bill it could easily be disputed and credited.

    A small portion of the digital eStamp service would go to Charlie who's mug shot will appear on all legit e-mails unless someone has some grudge against Green feathered species.

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    POP3 protocol is used to pick up mail, not deliver it, the delivery happens before hand, at best, pop3 can filter what has already been delivered.

    The real issue is the openness of SMTP, which accepts anyone as being anyone, as long as they say so. SMTP is about sending mail, not POP3. As for the rest of his want to make big government bigger... well... really, what can I say? I think Mike, as always, has clearly demonstrated his understanding of the subject he is spouting off on.

    Chet

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    Looks like it is OK to spam, now. Where do I sign up?

    Warning! E-mail inboxes are about to get flooded with even more spam

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    I'm a firm believer in smaller government and profess the solution follows the KISS principle. Not even Chet's next e-mail message gets delivered unless it has a identifying digital eStamp within the header. Similar system in place of 200 years makes me look like a fool. I forgot to put a stamp on Chet's Christmas card....

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    You are a firm believer in smaller government, and by having the government track each and every of the billions of emails sent everyday it gets smaller how??

    The change will happen when business not GWB get together, and it will happen when SMTP itself is modified. But there needs to be a large universal acceptance of the new protocol.

    Nothing will change until then. And while I understand your want for yet another regressive tax, taxing every email will never happen nor be the solution.

    Chet

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    Digital eStamps is not a tax with any monies going to the USA government. Those wishing to take my idea and shoe horn it universally into the SMTP/POP3 standards would be non-political forces like ICANN or an independent worldwide ISP membership organization. A Portion of the e-mail guaranteed delivery fee would go to the collection source ....the ISP billing departments as it's the ISP's who are footing the bandwidth & storage costs of spammers. Smart ISP's would use their revenue cut to lower their monthly access fees to account holders making AOL & MSN have to follow suit.

    Charlie still get's his minimal cut for the concept copywrite. The world gets to read only digitally eStamped messages and those sending out 500 million e-mails daily get squat even if they escape the fines and jail terms.

    PS folks setting up a few pro -bono cybercrime unit shopping sites for Attorney Generals and DA's gets your e-mail rants noticed as they un-cover the darkside underbelly of cybercriminals.

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    SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) , the world's largest software maker, said on Wednesday that it was cooperating with New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer in a bid to crack down on spam, or unsolicited e-mail.
    Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith and Spitzer were set to hold a joint news conference in New York on Thursday, said Sean Sundwall, a Microsoft spokesman.

    "I can confirm that the announcement will be about cooperation with the New York Attorney General on spam," Sundwall said.

    Microsoft, which has gone on the offensive against e-mail advertising touting everything from get-rich-quick schemes to pornographic Web sites, is developing anti-spam technology and also waging legal war against spammers.

    Microsoft's Smith has said that Microsoft would work to fight against spam on all fronts, including its ongoing efforts to protect consumers by using better technology such as blocking and filtering tools, and also collaborate with other Internet businesses.

    In June, Microsoft filed 15 lawsuits in the United States and the United Kingdom against spammers, claiming that they were responsible for flooding its MSN Internet service with more than 2 billion unsolicited e-mail messages.

    Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates vowed in an open letter in June to make the fight against spam, or unsolicited e-mail, one of the No. 1 software maker's top priorities.

    On Tuesday, President Bush signed the first national anti-spam bill into law, outlawing some of the most annoying forms of junk e-mail and setting jail time and multimillion dollar fines for violators. Now it seems the enforcers and business leaders are teaming up to defeat the spammers.

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    Chez Noir wrote
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The real issue is the openness of SMTP, which accepts anyone as being anyone, as long as they say so. SMTP is about sending mail, not POP3. As for the rest of his want to make big government bigger... well... really, what can I say? I think Mike, as always, has clearly demonstrated his understanding of the subject he is spouting off on.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Absolutely correct! SMTP is a dinosaur protocol that is too trusting and abused like a red headed stepchild. The Internet needs a new email system that can’t be manipulated by the unscrupulous. E-stamps are not the answer. Like my taxes, the money from e-stamps will be used abused and wasted by scumbag politicitians. I vote NO on e-stamps.

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    Like we need another freaking tax!

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