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    Was just checking one of my merchants using the new MYAP software and saw a link to "Add this merchant to your FREE MyAffStats account!" So you can check the stats of participating MYAP merchants all in one place but you give AffTrack access to your revenue and statisical data? Is that right, am i missing anything?

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    Trust,

    Yes. Our system must have access to the accounts for the automated system to retrieve data and perform analysis. There is a very clear terms of service, confidentality agreement and privacy policy. Feel free to e-mail me if you have questions. Obviously we honor these policies or we would not have our existing client list.

    Some quick points:

    - We do perform analysis and studies on the industry as a whole. This is always anonymous, in aggregate and would never reveal any type of personal information or data. An example of a recent study is here: http://www.internetretailer.com/dailynews.asp?id=9475

    - To get an idea how much data we handle for clients: In 2002 alone we aggregated over 1 billion dollars in affiliate and performance based sales. This proves the that affiliate marketing is not a fad or a sham and that it really works.


    - There are many AffTrack, RevTrends and MyAffStats clients here at ABW. I feel it is often good to talk to your peers to see if they like a service. Also feel free to contact me with feedback too. We like to get feedback so we can continue to improve services.

    - The MyAffStats service is free, and operated by us for Kowabunga. Kowabunga and participating merchants subsidize the cost for affiliates. Naturally the service is useful for indy merchants who want exposure to more sophisticated affiliates. Obviously the service is optional and not required.

    I can't guarantee that if you use any of our services you will make more money. I do know that the people that we serve are all successful and they understand the need to streamline their businesses and put resources into making money instead of doing drudge work.

    Please feel free to contact me direct with any questions.

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    Cool, just wanted to make sure its free, i see a couple of merchants i have using the system.

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    I like it so far, although I haven't had much of a chance to play with anything other than look at the daily email, which is cool.

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    i like it

    two thumbs up!


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    Obviously Wayne and Mrmerchant have access to the revenue stream and conversion stats for every single BHO. Their bank accounts grow as the BHO's take over the networks. Not sour grapes ...just a reference to where their mindset is at the moment. No money in pushing stat tools to high conversion merchants who have no incent BHO relationships or e-mail Opt-Out spamm marketing.

    Someone has to make those expensive suits for the mobsters giving them to look of gentlemen. I just wish the guys running the Funeral Home service for the Adware and spamming wanks were rolling in the dough.

    Mike & Charlie ...

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    Mike...

    Are you being serious?

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    Bigtop, Trust

    Thanks for the feedback! We continue to work and refine the service.

    Qball,

    Glad you liked it. You can customize the daily analysis mail under e-mail settings. (Don't forget tonight at 7:00 pm its Thundering Herd time!!!!)



    Mike,

    You really need to keep Charlie off the keyboard. The stuff he types is becoming more absurd.

    Why not get Charlie involved in something more constructive like being the promotional mascot for this product:

    http://www.yourparrotwilltalk.com/

    As a bonus you could spend your entire night having long conversations with him about your latest conspiracy theories.



    regards,
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    Haha, and it's thru clickbank so Charlie can sell them thru his website, maybe he can give you a few tips while he's at it. I hear he's got a bigger pecker than you do also.

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    So basicly - you take the info from our stats to make other reports that are available to your listed clients such as:

    Bizrate and Mypoints, Upromise, GreaterGood, CouponSurfer.com, 24-7 malls, SchoolCash, FatWallet, etc...

    Some of which ARE listed as either BHO or Parasites here at ABW forums?



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    I strongly suggest before you trust ANYONE with confidential information, regardless of any policies they have published, you spend some time here at ABW reading posts regarding the various parasites, and who support them.

    I think what you find will be an eye-opening revelation!

    Here are a few to get you started:

    http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&...9&m=7746089753

    http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&...9&m=3156079933

    This statement from one of the above referenced articles was especially interesting: “This confirms that cash-to-cause, rebate and loyalty sites are really the powerhouses for the majority of retail categories,” Molander says. “These are the affiliates that you cannot afford not to work with.”

    Andy

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    [This message was edited by Andy on September 12, 2003 at 02:29 PM.]

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    Vicki,

    That isn't how it works. The data we collect is guarded with the utmost respect and privacy as outlined in our agreements. We do aggregate, annonymously, some data points that are useful to the industry as a whole. i.e. 1.2 billion in transactions validates that affiliate marketing does work and it gets the interests of merchants who might have been thinking about giving it a pass.

    In an industry of nebulous results we are able to cast some lights into the shadows in such a way that is good for the industry.

    Andy,

    I think it is worth pointing out that the majority of our clients are not incentive sites. They may run coupon shopping sites, content sites, e-mail, niche content or comparison shopping.

    For that matter many of the them are ABW members. We have a proven track record of maintaining client confidentiatly. That will never change.

    The fact that incentive sites are powerhouses in the industry is just that- a fact. We let facts speak for themselves.

    In the world of retail these sites, whether they use software downloads or not, are affiliate powerhouses. The vast majority of merchants work with them and from the feedback we get the majority plan on doing so in the future. Like it or not loyalty marketing is here to stay and plays an important role in the affiliate industry.

    best regards,
    Wayne

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    Wayne,

    There is no substitute for maintaining high ethical standards. Just because the "loyalty" sites (as you call them) are successful, it doesn't mean they are following honest and ethical business standards.

    It is a documented fact that the software installs itself without asking for permission. Thus taking advantage of consumers. Not ethical.

    It is a fact that it is often difficult to completely uninstall, and will regenerate itself after the consumer attempts to remove it. Not ethical.

    It is a fact that it causes computers to crash and slow down, costing consumers big bucks at the computer repair shops. Not ethical.

    It is a fact that they take commissions from others, commissions that are not rightfully theirs. Not ethical.

    It is a fact that many end users have no idea how the apps got on their computers, and don't want them!

    Trust is something that must be earned, and in order to be trustworthy an individual and/or company must have high ethical standards and run its business with high standards. This cannot be done when said business is promoting unethical companies to its customers.

    Random House defines "ethical" as:

    1. pertaining to or dealing with morals or the principles of morality; pertaining to right and wrong in conduct. 2. in accordance with the rules or standards for right conduct or practice, esp. the standards of a profession...

    Most of the loyalty sites do not fit this definition. Period.

    Andy

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    Andy,


    You make some good arguments about ethics but our comments were not about ethics. We were simply stating a fact based on data that we see: Loyalty-type sites convert well and make up for a large percentage of transactions in the affiliate marketing space. We released this data because we are in a position to know this and find this type of data useful and relevant to the industry as a whole.


    We are not in a position to have any better insight into the ethics of any company or group of companies than anyone else and therefore see no need to comment on it. As you have demonstrated, you are perfectly able to draw your own conclusions on that.

    We are a data company and provide data regarding metrics in the affiliate space. This is what we know. We are not saying that any company is more or less ethical than any other.

    If Comscore reports that MSN has more traffic than Yahoo do you say that Comscore is supporting MSN over Yahoo? No. They are simply reporting the data that they see.

    Please don’t shoot the messenger.

    Thanks,
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    Yep ...Wayne and Jeff live very high on the hog off of producing and scewing the network stats to favor pushing their Loyalty BHO clients on merchants. They sure don't want to comment on the ethics of their clients as that subject would mar their consulting service spin. They have 500+ AM's in eating out of their hands mezmorized by gorilla marketing tactics with a statistical magic show. They publish nothing but theftware and loyalty club stats.

    They have no interest in honest high conversion ethical merchants or their actual stats. Those merchants need no "tricks for clicks" or profit eating shopper popup reminders and bribes to grow and prosper.

    What a crock ..."In the world of retail these sites, whether they use software downloads or not, are affiliate powerhouses. The vast majority of merchants work with them and from the feedback we get the majority plan on doing so in the future. Like it or not loyalty marketing is here to stay and plays an important role in the affiliate industry."

    It will be nice when all the BHO theftware crap destroying millions of systems, feed farms for spammers and the reward members get bilked that Afftrac will be one of the first getting a subpoena from the Attorney Generals and DAs. These guys are experts at getting to sources showing the extent of law suit damages.

    So make money while you can off of these no ethics super affiliates driven by greed and total disregard for the consumer. Rewards are just the bait on their greed hooks. Try and quiet the uproar over gorilla advertising and Opt-Out spammers and e-mail scraping sleazy fronts for the list brokers. The day is coming where 80% of the client base for Afftrac's stat compiling and consulting services exit the scene. Consumer backlash will tarnish major merchant brands when these BHO incent wanks start dropping like flies like the .com bomb merchants did 2 years ago. Takes just one more CyberRebates Ponzi scheme by this new crop of internet parasitic commission con-men going under to start the dominos falling.


    Charlie would gladly shoot a sunflower seed out his butt to begin the chain reaction. Wayne and Mr. Merchant are smart opportunists and know how to CYOA when dealing with unethical clients. They have no worries ...the online Ad industry is full of crooks who need stats and easy target lists for their newly hatched schemes.

    Mike & Charlie ...

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    Anyone who enables parasites is an accomplice.

    There is nothing difficult to understand about that.

    Such accomplices may attempt to justify their actions in many ways.

    The fact that massive amounts of money are being made or that So Many turn a blind eye to parasitic activity is not justification.

    Many will continue to profit from relationships with parasites.

    Whether they want to accept it or not, they will eventually have to "sleep in the bed they are making". Sooner or later, they will have to deal with the Consequences of their actions.

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    Wayne,

    By all means let's try to divert attention away from the fact that you are recommending publishers with very questionable business practices to your clients!

    Try to defend or justify your actions any way you like, the bottom line here is people need to know who they're doing business with. You've made it very clear that you endorse and recommend these parasitic software apps to others.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Please don’t shoot the messenger.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> In this case, the messenger needs to be shot, as the messenger is promoting questionable activities that do not benefit the affiliate marketing industry as a whole. This type of activity is lower than spam.

    I can't imagine why any honest reputable publisher would do business with any company that recommends this type of activity to others.

    Shame on you.

    Andy

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