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    Bad Days at the Vet and the Kennel
    So we are about to leave on a trip for several days, and that meant taking the hounds to the vet for Bordetella shots, so they would be kennel-ready.

    We went on Saturday, and as I'm checking in, I looked down, and, for the first time, ever, our nine-year-old German Shepherd-Shetland Sheepdog, Kugel, is on her side, having a seizure. The techs and clerks come over, but the Vet was at lunch, and all anyone could do, mostly me, was hold her and stroke her, for what seemed like forever, but what was actually about a minute. Once she stopped shaking, she still was on her side for another couple of minutes, then she got up, and acted as if nothing had happened.

    She's very high strung, and terrified of the vet generally, and the staff all thought it happened due to fear.

    When the vet got back, he did a brief exam, and said she seemed fine, gave her the Bordetella (but by nose, not a shot), and said just watch her, and tell the kennel people about what happened.

    She has been absolutely fine since, at least until taking her to the kennel this afternoon, where she started freaking out again. She's been there several times, and never had a problem before. I wouldn't say she had another seizure, at least not like the first one, but I was again afraid of what was happening. The staff there said they've seen that happen before, and didn't seem overly concerned or worried, and when she calmed down, she was escorted to her living quarters, and seemed fine. But, when I then spoke to the kennel owner, who is a real dawg expert, she said it sounded like it could be epilepsy, that she's seen dogs of her age develop it, manifested by seizures when scared, and that Kugel would be watched carefully, and taken to the Vet if anything serious developed.

    On top of this, when we got to the Vet's office on Saturday, I told the clerk we were there for Bordetella shots. Well, our other hound, Kasha, had her last Rabies shot elsewhere, last year, and without asking or saying anything, seeing that their chart showed she needed it, they took it upon themselves to give her a Rabies shot as well, TWO YEARS before she needed it.

    We we'll be gone for ten days, and it will be ten days of worrying about the hounds.
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    I'm sorry the hounds had a bad time with the Vet. I hate when they take it upon themselves to just do things without asking. At least the kennel is aware of the situation and can get her to the vet if needed quickly. I worry about my kitties when I am away, but have always been able to have someone come to the house and deal with them. I know dogs are very different in that regard, they don't want to be left alone without seeing people around.

    You said you have used this kennel before, just make a few calls and enjoy your trip. The hounds will probably enjoy their little vacation too, and just wanted mom and dad to feel a little guilty when they actually are going to have a blast.
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    awwhh, I'm really sorry AffiliateHound about the doggies I had never had to place any of my pets in a kennel before but guess as a doggie it takes a while for them to adjust.

    Agree with Loxly, knowing how you love your doggies and they've stayed there before it must be a good place. They're aware of what happened so am sure they're giving your doggies even more tlc cos of that. They're both with each other too so that must comfort them, too. Realize 10 days will seem like an awfully long time, but you can call em whenever you want.

    Will sound goofy I suppose but saw on the news how Petsmart's doggie hotel lets people call and actually speak to their pets. Maybe if you asked the kennel they would let you do that and it might make the doggies feel better, too. Don't know much about epilepsy in doggies but hope they've got some medicine to treat it. Really do hope the doggies are feelin better very soon. Please try to enjoy your trip Am sure the kennels will do everything possible to help the doggies feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffiliateHound
    our nine-year-old German Shepherd-Shetland Sheepdog, Kugel, is on her side, having a seizure.

    ........sounded like it could be epilepsy, that she's seen dogs of her age develop it, manifested by seizures when scared, .
    I think they are one in the same.

    You can go for a battery of blood tests to check for liver and heart functions, anemia, glucose, calcium, and electrolyte levels.

    Teaching facilities and some clinics will even have the ability to do EEGs to check for abnormalities.

    Sounds like this was triggered by the vet visit being stressful.


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    oh that's horrible!! I hope you guys can figure out what's wrong, poor puppies

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    poor babies. sorry to hear.
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    Hopefully everything is ok with the hounds. What about seeing another vet to get a second opinion, unless to trust your current vet? The first vet I ever took my dog to took it upon themselves to just do things without asking and one visit it cost me about $200 more than what I had to spend, that was our last visit. I've only had to take my dog to the kennel once so far. It was for a week and even though nothing was wrong with him I worried about him the whole time. He was the kid before our son . At least they are in a familiar place, enjoy your trip.
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    I had two whippets (at different times and different breeders) which suffered seizures for about three years on and off. The older they got, the more often it would occur.

    It turned out they both had high liver counts. It scared me each and every time they would have the seizures, but until the later part of their lives, they would snap right out of it like you described.

    They were both put on a series of medicine periodically which seemed to help, as well as vitamins and I changed to a "senior" type diet. They were both about 8 when they had their first seizure.

    My newest whippet (Happy) is 7 and I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that he doesn't experience the same problems. It breaks your heart to see them go through it and you worry each time you have to leave them alone, although as quickly as they snap out of it I can't help to wonder which of us suffered the most?!

    Maybe it is a hound thing?? I'd ask my Vet, but tragically he died of a heart attack last week (age 50). He was a great Vet and just an amazing person and will be greatly missed.

    I agree with Bob about getting the blood work done.

    Best of luck with it all. Our dogs are our children...so I know how you are feeling!
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    Well, we got home really late last night (that's another whole story*) and just picked up the hounds at the kennel, and they're both fine - energetic, reeeaaaalll happy to be home. Kugel is fine. We did call a couple of times to check on them, and though we were told she was fine, until we saw her, you never really know.

    We have the name of a holistic vet we're going to take her to.

    *Well, MrsHound and I almost didn't make it home. We took off last night, and after about five minutes in the air, the flight crew started running around frantically and one took out a fire extinguisher. We never saw flames, but there was smoke in the cabin. They horrified most of the passengers by then telling us we were turning around for an emergency landing, that there could be flames, and that we may have to use the chutes to deplane. It turned out to be a minor problem, and we landed normally, and walked off through the skyway.

    By the time a new plane was available and we re-boarded, took off, flew home - uneventfully - filled out a damage report after an airline worker broke a piece off of MrsHound's wheelchair getting it out of cargo, and drove home, it was almost 2:00 am - but we were home.
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    Glad to hear they are doing well...
    Kugel?! Great name!
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    Scarey! And I had my son's wheelchairs damaged by airlines more than once... we never filed a complaint.

    Glad you are both ok!
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    Quote Originally Posted by loxly
    Scarey! And I had my son's wheelchairs damaged by airlines more than once... we never filed a complaint.

    Glad you are both ok!
    The guy that did the damage was really sorry, and a very nice guy. He immediately told me that he was going to the baggage office and to meet him there as soon as we got off the plane. Not only that, but when we got there, we found that he had brought our other luggage to the office, so we didn't have to go the the carousel, and he told the supervisor what had happened. If it was something minor, we would have tried not to pursue it, but he broke off a pretty substantial piece of the "shroud" that covers one of the motors, shock absorbers, and wheel assembly.

    This afternoon, I received an email from Southwest Airlines apologizing for the incident in the air, explaining what had happened ("the bearings in one of the cabin air circulation fans seized") and telling us that they would be sending our vouchers to use towards future flights.

    SW is a class act.
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    Hope your doggie is doing ok.
    Basically, there are two reasons for seizures, metabolic or neurolgic. Obviously if its metabolic, that would show up in blood work. Neurologic is a lot more difficult to diagnose or treat.

    It sounds like your doggie may have a bit of an anxiety problem so maybe before doing anything to stress or excite him, like taking him to the vet or a kennel, a mild sedative or even a benedryl would be helpful. I'd check with the vet on that. There are also a lot of over the counter meds and holistic meds, such as bcalm that may help. If you dog is associating a car ride with only going to the vet or boarding, you may want to take him for rides for fun, or even a trip to the vets, for fun, to get him over the anxiety. Since it sounds like the seizure was such an isolated case, I'd just keep an eye out for any signs that it may happen again, and record all the circumstances prior to the seizure, what he ate, what he was doing, etc. If they become more frequent, like once a month or more, perhaps your vet may need to put your dog on phenobarbital until the cause can be found to prevent more seizures. Hopefully it was just a one time deal. Good luck. I know how scary it is when something happens to your pet. They can't really talk and tell us what is wrong. So glad they did well while you were gone, always a worry when we leave them overnight.

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    Thanks to everyone for your good wishes and advice.
    Quote Originally Posted by AffiliateHound
    This afternoon, I received an email from Southwest Airlines apologizing for the incident in the air, explaining what had happened ("the bearings in one of the cabin air circulation fans seized") and telling us that they would be sending our vouchers to use towards future flights.

    SW is a class act.
    Just received follow-up emails from Southwest, and they sent two vouchers, each for $50 discounts for future flights.

    About a dozen years ago, I took off from St. Louis and there was what sounded like an explosion and then a horrible smell. It was a blown tire, and we did a fairly hard emergency landing and ended up waiting 4-5 hours for repairs to be completed. That was United Airlines, and they gave me nothing, didn't even offer to pay for the several Scotches I drank while waiting. The bar was opposite a large window, and I was able to watch a group of United workers standing around the plane for most of that time, waiting for a part to arrive.

    SW has been and will be my first choice among airlines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffiliateHound

    SW is a class act.
    Absolutely! Wish they flew direct to more places. Giving United and American airlines money for checking luggage irks me to no end. SW doesn't charge for luggage and they're happy to make their customers happy. Big difference from the "poor us!" attitude of the others. If United and American can't manage their businesses, too bad. Charging for luggage has been the ultimate slap in the face to the consumer.

    Glad your pups are doing well, AH - you've had a helluva week. Relax and enjoy being home. :-)
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