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    ABW Veteran Mr. Sal's Avatar
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    Sorry for that Title but, I had no choice after the way my original post was renamed and I still see that Norton is still a big problem. We are still getting screwed by Norton and there is no end in sight.

    Here are 3 quote's that I picked at random from some post's regarding Norton:

    1 - "The fact that Norton has the ad-block function set to on by default is a real concern."

    2 - 'If people wouldn't run annoying pop up ads there would be no need for blockers."

    3 - "I'd also imagine most people didn't buy Norton for the ad blocker, but for the firewall and virus protection. The ad-blocker is just an added "benefit" of the software."

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    1 - The fact that Norton sells the guns loaded is the real concern.

    2 - If people wouldn't rob people, there would be no need for guns.

    3 - I'd also imagine most people didn't buy guns just to shoot people but, for protection from crooks.

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    Since these is my rant about the Fo <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/king.gif> Norton, I will just see what you have to say about it.

    Note: there is no real work around about Norton, either you take it like it is or you do what ever it takes to fix it.

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    If the merchants would band together to stop all the pop ups, banner hijacking, parasite ware, etc... Maybe there could be an end to this.

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    I received a call from an ad agency offering me a chance to run free ads, to try their service. Looked at their site and saw they ran popunders. I told them because of Norton I will not do biz with any company running pop ups or unders. He wasn't too happy, but if enough people do this maybe they will get the message.

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    That is an awful analogy. I don't own any guns, never have. But....

    1) Buying guns loaded is not the problem. Keeping guns away from children is the problem. Because guns are going to get loaded, whether they are loaded at the store or when you get home, the normal state of a gun for use is loaded. Why would buying a loaded gun be any more dangerous than buying a gun and loading it at home?

    2) People do use guns for target practice and hunting, if people stopped robbing other people, there would still be use for guns. On the other hand, if there was no popup ads to block, there would be no use for ad blockers.

    3) All of nortons features are legal, shooting people (murder) is not legal. Also, a closer analogy would be as follows
    I'd imagine most people buy guns for protection from crooks, but actually shooting people is just an added "benefit" of the gun.

    With all this said, I don't like what norton is doing, it's just your analogy is awful and misleading.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jane:
    I received a call from an ad agency offering me a chance to run free ads, to try their service. Looked at their site and saw they ran popunders. I told them because of Norton I will not do biz with any company running pop ups or unders. He wasn't too happy, but if enough people do this maybe they will get the message.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Excellent point Jane!

    I told Value Click to remove me from all pop-ups and unders.

    They immediately did it.

    Then I got hit with Gator CRAP. Wrote them again and they told me about Claire and Gator. Which helped tremendously.

    I am glad they were helpful, just wish they would simply put a button on there site that auto excludes BHO's and Parasite agencies.

    SandraR

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    Popups are dead anyway.. even things like the Google toolbar block them.

    As for Norton.. well, I know it's irritating for us when we get those "where are the links?" emails, but ultimately the people suffering are the surfers who keep getting broken sites because of the ad blocking.

    Do you think that the visitor really cares that they're clicking through on a qksrv.net link and somebody's getting commission? I don't think so. Will they care when they go to a product page about Widgets but it's a dead end and they have to go back and search again.. and again. Yup, I'm sure they will.

    As far as I'm concerned, the ad blocker is a useless "feature" added to drive sales. A popup blocker is a good idea, but ads are harmless enough, and are part of the whole web experience. Plus I've heard of all sorts of performance and browsing issues with the blocker in place.

    Really, this is for the big boys like ValueClick to sort out, because they're the ones getting hit most of all. I can see a court case over unfair restraint of trade coming up.

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    "As for Norton.. well, I know it's irritating for us when we get those "where are the links?" emails, but ultimately the people suffering are the surfers who keep getting broken sites because of the ad blocking."

    I'm suffering too, I have a couple of pages listed #1 in Google but, because of the *&*&* no-r-ton, I'm losing a lot of sales commissions.

    "As far as I'm concerned, the ad blocker is a useless "feature" added to drive sales. A popup blocker is a good idea, but ads are harmless enough, and are part of the whole web experience. Plus I've heard of all sorts of performance and browsing issues with the blocker in place."

    I agree 1000% with that, the ad blocker is a useless "feature" added to drive sales..

    "Really, this is for the big boys like ValueClick to sort out, because they're the ones getting hit most of all. I can see a court case over unfair restraint of trade coming up."

    Finaly I see a post that think the way I think about the the real no-r-ton issue, that is the only way we will see any results, when and if the big players get involved then every body will be happier, even the visitors with their loaded blockers.

    And from now on and for my own satisfaction, I will only mention that name again as this no-r-ton, I will not give life to a proper name while I'm getting my links blocked.

    And why in hell will I use a company for security, not matter how good they are if at the same time that company will trespass my property and block the entrance. Think about it...

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    I bought the full version of Norton and now I'm working on counteracting them. Sandra already found a way to display ads if hosted on our servers, but I think there is a way that doens't need that
    Once I have it all working, I will let you know.

    Nortn will NOT block banners on my sites - that is my goal regarding this issue.
    I will not rely on the big companies because they knew about this from the very beginning and have done nothing so far. One has to wonder why....

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    Good luck in your attempt to beat the evil Norton, Irma! Please let us know if you find a solution that works.

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    I MAY have found some protection from this. Can't believe I didn't think of it sooner.
    HTML encryption.

    Here is one of several programs on the market.
    This is the only one I found so far that mentions Norton specifically.

    "TagsLock stops such programs as Teleport Pro, WebZip, Off-line Explorer and others. Web pages protected by this program bypass any Web Content filter (Proxomitrom, AdMuncher, Norton Inernet Security etc). TagsLock can encrypt entire web sites or just a single page in just a few clicks."

    Free download trial:
    http://www.tagslock.com/tagslock_pro.htm

    The key will be for some people to test programs like this and find one that works well, is easy, HAS NO PARASITEWARE bundled in and does not interfer with SE spiders. This one has a good rating and says it's transparent to SE. But I don't know if it's bundled with any badware.

    BONUS also protects from site copying and email harvesters.

    Sandra... anyone have time to do some testing?
    There are a bunch of others, don't know which one is best.

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