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    Half a Bubble Off Plumb RemodelingGuy's Avatar
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    Duplicate Content Issue w/ my Sites - Looking for Solid Answers Please.
    Mods - Feel free to place this in another forum. Just couldn't find a better one.
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    I need help from some of you ABW brainiacs please.

    Background....

    I created a toxic mold site ( in sig ) about 6 years ago to take on the mold niche that exploded on my main site, so as not to detract from my main focus, which was home improvement.

    It didn't work.

    Toxic Black Mold on SR has grown exponentially and the other is site so-so.

    Problem....

    When I created TMUSA, I was clueless and just copied the mold info from SR into it..... EVERYTHING .. and now all of the urls, header tags, descrip tags, etc..... are exactly the same.

    SR has gone from a PR6 to a 4 and TMUSA from a 4 to a 2 and I think that this is partially to blame. ( has definately affected traffic to the duplicate pages )

    Options....????

    Just redirect the site to SR and be done with it?

    - Can I re-direct all of the pages, so my visitors going to many different pages would be redirected? At least to my home page? ........

    - Would I lose the very targeted visitors / day that that site brings?

    If I rename the urls, change the content on the pages & change all of the tags? ........

    - How long should it take the SE's to catch up? I hate to lose the search engine placement that TMUSA has.

    - Is there a way to use something similar to a <nofollow> tag?

    Can I change EVERYTHING EXCEPT the urls and be relatively safe?

    My GOAL is to put most of my time and effort into SR, eliminate any duplicate content issues that I have created, and keep all of my traffic.

    Looking for a fix that will allow me to have the best of both worlds I guess!

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    update new content and design only and don't chage url. your all visitors will remains in your hand. ok

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    Do not rename pages and do not do redirects.
    I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die
    to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there
    isn't and die to find out there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Gottlieb
    Do not rename pages and do not do redirects.
    That seems almost too simple.

    Not to question your knowledge in the slightest Howard, but is this from experience or word of mouth?

    I'm thinking goog may have me tagged because of the duplicate content in some manner and that the urls may still be taboo.

    Thinking Out Loud!

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    We depend 100% on SEO.

    About 4 years ago we decided to change our page name structure and redirected a lot of pages. We dropped off the face of the earth.

    If it were me I would start working on your home and then working down from your hightest level pages tweaking the text so its unique and relevant.

    That's why my advice is to never change page names or use redirects. For us those are both no no's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Gottlieb
    We depend 100% on SEO.
    Me TOO!

    Haven't paid for a hit in over 2.5 years.

    PPC is a freaking art and not to be played by the weak.

    I love my organic traffic and it's easy to track.

    500% better results from my organic traffic vs. PPC.

    So, if I just jump into the site, re-work ( change the content around and add new thoughts etc. ) the content, change the header tags, descriptions and add to or re-sort the meta tags, I should expect to see the search engines re-indexing those pages in the near future and not be penalizing me for the duplicate content from the past?

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    I believe G has a sandbox where they might send people they want to place in a time out. But doing exactly what you say is the best way to fix the issue once and for all.

    And, yes, G will re index and re cache your new content and title tags. If those are done right you should rise in the results.
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    I only looked at a few pages and what I found was duplicate content on both sites where the original content was on another .org site that Google deemed the original and put your two sites as duplicate content.

    In that case, I agree with Howard. I would rework the content so that they are not the same as the original site, changing also metas as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladidah
    I only looked at a few pages and what I found was duplicate content on both sites where the original content was on another .org site that Google deemed the original and put your two sites as duplicate content.
    I don't have any .org sites and any content that is not mine is not duplicated anywhere else, as it was written for our site.

    Where did you find that info?

    I'd hate to think that someone else was getting credit for my original content.

    Actually, that would be a big bowl of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Gottlieb
    I believe G has a sandbox where they might send people they want to place in a time out. But doing exactly what you say is the best way to fix the issue once and for all.

    And, yes, G will re index and re cache your new content and title tags. If those are done right you should rise in the results.
    That's the kind of advice I'm looking for...

    Once I get in there and spend the time to do it right, it will take me a week to get it done and up 4-6 weeks to see results from bing, live and yahoo. Google is a lot faster, but still a lot of time and effort if it doesn't work. ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemodelingGuy
    I don't have any .org sites and any content that is not mine is not duplicated anywhere else, as it was written for our site.

    Where did you find that info?

    I'd hate to think that someone else was getting credit for my original content.

    Actually, that would be a big bowl of
    Here it is:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

    When you click "repeat the search with the omitted search results included", both your sites will only then show, plus quite a few others.
    If you know you are the original, then perhaps G doesn't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladidah
    Here it is:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

    When you click "repeat the search with the omitted search results included", both your sites will only then show, plus quite a few others.
    If you know you are the original, then perhaps G doesn't know that.
    Had me worried.

    Those pages lead to my Sick Building Syndrome pages here that are completely original and written by a well respected author, David Bragi, for our site....

    They are nothing alike.

    Both of my sites rank well with anything toxic black mold.

    That's just an example of WHY I don't want to lose any search engine placement by changing things around.

    Thanks for pointing that out ladidah......

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    With url changes, even with appropriate redirects of the old url traffic to the new url, you can expect to drop off the face of the earth for about 8-12 weeks on average while they are reindexed.
    And that's only if Google believes the new url / structures are better than the old ones. Longer if they don't.
    From experience, not anecdotal.
    You'd be better off sticking with the content and meta work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemodelingGuy

    They are nothing alike.
    According to Google, David Bragi's article is the original and your site together with all other 46 of 'm are reproducing the article no different than any article publishing site. David Bragi's article is everywhere, he did not just write it for your site. Just click the sites below yours and you will see exactly the same article. That is duplicate content in the eyes of Google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladidah
    According to Google, David Bragi's article is the original and your site together with all other 46 of 'm are reproducing the article no different than any article publishing site. David Bragi's article is everywhere, he did not just write it for your site. Just click the sites below yours and you will see exactly the same article. That is duplicate content in the eyes of Google.
    I have whole sites that have become competition from merchants I have had for years.

    They think that since they are paying me to send leads their way, that they can jump into my site and do with it as they will at no charge.

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    Have been spending tons of time with my main site re-design and now find myself with some time to spend on the suggestions from this thread to try to get the duplicate content MONKEY OFF OF MY BACK.

    Have to admit, that I am a little hesitant to do these major changes, but hope that the work I put into it will free me from the DC issue and let both sites take flight on their own, without being punished because the content is NOT ALL unique.

    Time to shake up my brain, do some research and make everything unique.

    Thanks for your help all ...

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