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    Private Browsing and the like
    So with Private Browsing options and the like now being easily available - example - the latest version of Firefox ...

    How as an industry - is this being addressed ??

    Please fill me in ... as I understand it - the majority of programs still rely just on cookies and don't do IP matching or other ..

    ..or am I mistaken >??
    ..and are these "other options" viable ....

    Looking to the future of the industry and wondering what solutions might be out there on both sides of the fence merchant/publisher

    Thanks in advance for your thoughts ... don't hit back too hard - but interested in all your thoughts ..

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    I have not had a tun of experiance with private browsing, so many sites rely on cookies and personalization I had not really considered it to be a problem.

    I do think this is a great topic for a thread and look forward to hearing peoples thoughts!

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    Just as a further FYI: Firefox explains Private Browsing

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    In a Private Browsing session, Firefox won't keep any browser history, search history, download history, web form history, cookies, or temporary internet files.

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    I'm not really sure that it's going to be a major issue since "private browsing" also means no stored preferences, no saved passwords and no customization. Most users don't have the patience to remember logins, passwords and custom settings, much less the time to enter them each time they visit a site. All of the "features" of private browsing have already been available manually or as third party extensions or applications, the paranoid or those with something to hide have been erasing their tracks for years.

    "Private browsing" is a feature that's more trouble than it's worth unless you really have something to hide. If you're visiting gambling sites at work or don't want your spouse to know how frequently you visit porn sites, then "private browsing" is probably for you. If you're shopping for a new pair of shoes or an iPod than you may want to save your cart at some point in which case "private browsing" just prevented you from doing that.

    I doubt that "private browsing" for the typical web surfer or shopper is going to be a major issue.

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    Thanks all for your thoughts ..

    but as Nixon did -

    The question has not been answered

    ...as to how the Affiliate Industry is addressing these issues .. and new solutions

    yes exactly options such as has been described have been available for some time ..

    just as in closing of a browser - and wiping of all past cookies etc and information ...

    - So with that being the case for an ever increasing number of people using the web ...

    ... as far as I see - that means no future credits - for the original "inbound" unless the purchase or other action was made on the first "go- round"


    - so unless I am missing something here - our industry has "Big" problem .. that no one wants to talk about ....

    Again - open for all thoughts ... Thanks ...

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    Yes, someone browsing in "private" mode will disrupt tracking software that relies on placing cookies on their computer. That's why our tracking system checks for cookies first, then for IP address. Granted, IP address isn't fool-proof either, because someone could be on a VPN when clicking through an ad, then later buy when not connected to the VPN, etc., but it is still better than simply tracking cookies alone.

    Even better would be to track MAC addresses, but I don't know of a system that does that. Even that, though, wouldn't take into account a single buyer using multiple computers, libraries, computer labs, etc.

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    It isn't a "big" problem as you are trying to make it be. Until it is the default option, the everyday consumer isn't going to use private browsing.
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    I agree with Loxly on this one.

    I have seen no identifiable change in sales volumes for affiliates since private browsing was introduced by Mozilla.

    I think anyone who has the tech-savvy to enable it will also realize the value of the personalized browsing experiance they will be loosing by enabling it...

    Just my $0.02....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdi
    The question has not been answered

    ...as to how the Affiliate Industry is addressing these issues .. and new solutions.
    The question hasn't been answered because it's a non-issue. Granted the industry needs a better way of tracking sales, but that was the case prior to "private browsing".

    Think about it, anyone paranoid enough to use "private browsing" probably doesn't trust online purchasing either. As I said, it's a non-issue.

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    Forgive me - not sure how to quote on here ! - LOL !

    rematt - You are absolutely correct in what you said here ...
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    "Granted the industry needs a better way of tracking sales, but that was the case prior to "private browsing"
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    - Agree with you 100 % ....

    - Wasn't meaning to "focus" on "private browsing" per se ...

    - but that is just one of the latest additions in a web surfer's toolbag
    - other future developments by other browsers Chrome - IE - Opera - or others is just the latest example ... of what will become more challenges ...

    So forget I even mentioned "Private Browsing" ...

    The point being - I wanted to start a discussion and get some feedback on alternative ways of tracking "actions" ...

    and yes - this is something that I have been asking about for some time ... and everyone seems to be turning a blind eye to this ...

    - was not expecting any difference with recent developments ... "ie Private Browsing"

    - if there was no downturn for lost revenue - from customers clearing cookies or the likes before - as to now ...

    Does that mean - this is a good thing ? - absolutely not ...
    Who knows how much revenue is being lost ? and has been lost ..

    How would you know ? Definitely "this" is an "issue"

    As you said "the industry needs a better way of tracking sales"

    So to be clear - not arguing with you or others here

    - but looking for food for thought - looking to the future .. to see if we can help change our industry for the better ...

    again thanks all for your thoughts ...

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    May be its time to move one .. we should be considering using flash cookies which are harder to find and delete.But most probably affiliate networks wont be ina hurry to get this working.

    1. Will increase commissions
    2. Will be invading privacy of customers more

    But against like google and youtube are already using them.

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    Post Affiliate Pro has the most comprehensive tracking that I know including flash, session and direct link tracking. Ultimately we either come with a better mouse trap and I think that server based tracking on the merchant site is the answer.
    Last edited by Chuck Hamrick; March 24th, 2010 at 01:45 AM.

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