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    Half a Bubble Off Plumb RemodelingGuy's Avatar
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    Can We Talk About Fonts vs. Bounce Rate ????
    My sites are filled with SHARED BORDERS!!

    Mainly Top & Left ...

    I make my money from the borders and fill the site with KILLER CONTENT!

    I am continuously working on my borders, as they direct my 1000's of organic visitors everyday where I need them to go to keep the site alive.......

    I'm a Verdana & Arial designer......

    WHAT ARE YOUR SELECTIONS FOR THE " UNIVERSAL " FONT????

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    Verdana and Ariel are a toss-up for me, I use them both (not at the same time, mind you, but different sites get one or the other). I also like Georgia.

    More and more though, I'm starting to branch out from the so-called "web safe" fonts and using a few that I know are very common, like Helvetica. Using a font-family in CSS means I can be a little more creative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel M. Clark
    Verdana and Ariel are a toss-up for me, I use them both (not at the same time, mind you, but different sites get one or the other). I also like Georgia.

    More and more though, I'm starting to branch out from the so-called "web safe" fonts and using a few that I know are very common, like Helvetica. Using a font-family in CSS means I can be a little more creative.
    I killed CSS in my shared borders YEARS ago...

    Just too simple to change things myself without making universal changes that I didn't want to make. -

    I Hate Helvetica...

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    I like Verdana myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelColey
    I like Verdana myself.
    Verdana is my default for EVERYTHING!

    But I check out my sites in it and it ( verdana ) has faults....

    Arial seems to be very " Universal "

    But I'm not a Fan!!

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    I use Times New Romans on some of my sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgerBoy
    I use Times New Romans on some of my sites.

    I just played w/ TNR and it looked funny to me.

    Anyone have any STATS that compare fonts to Clicks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemodelingGuy
    I just played w/ TNR and it looked funny to me.

    Anyone have any STATS that compare fonts to Clicks?
    I think Times looks fine at larger sizes (or at any size on a printed page - y'know, the old-fashioned way of reading). However at the smaller sizes on a screen I believe san-serif fonts have better readability - as long as there is good contrast. I use Verdana or Arial on the vast majority of my sites. I'll use a serif font (TNR) for headlines or for emphasis in a pull-quote (or something like that).

    Many WordPress themes are set up like that as a default - a serif font for titles and san-serif for the body of a post. They may have done usability studies to have come to that conclusion. I, on the other hand, use my "old eyes" as my own usability study.
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    +1 for verdana.

    it is an interesting question to explore the data and see if different fonts result in a stickier site.
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    I prefer Verdana, too, I find it is easiest to read. To do a real usability test, try your site out on a 10.2" or smaller netbook...ugh!

    [Whisper Mode] Not to sound stupid, but what are shared borders? : [/Whisper Mode]

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    Quote Originally Posted by lintlin
    I prefer Verdana, too, I find it is easiest to read. To do a real usability test, try your site out on a 10.2" or smaller netbook...ugh!

    [Whisper Mode] Not to sound stupid, but what are shared borders? : [/Whisper Mode]
    Shared borders are my money makers.

    Shared borders are a header and in my case, a left shared navigation border.

    Borders that are on a majority of pages.

    Pretty much what defines my sites.

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    Shared borders are a component of Front Page website program. They are comparable to Server Side Includes in that when you change the shared border it changes all the pages those borders are on. The downside is that if your host's Front Page extensions crap out or your site becomes somehow corrupted (happened many time to me and that is just one reason I don't use them any more and use "real" SSI) your site gets trashed.

    Many hosts are now moving away from supporting Front Page extensions, so using alternative coding techniques that are just as effective and *much* more flexible is the way to go for new sites.

    If you are using a CMS they use includes for all those areas on your site that share the same content, like the sidebars, header and footer.

    Jimmy, don't yell at me, it works for you (and many other people) and that's great, but new folks should absolutely use SSI or php includes instead of Front Page shared borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loxly
    Jimmy, don't yell at me, it works for you (and many other people) and that's great, but new folks should absolutely use SSI or php includes instead of Front Page shared borders.
    AMEN to that!

    If I had it to do all over again -

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    Thanks, Loxly, now I get it. I always wondered what the "enable front page extensions" was on my server...lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by loxly
    Shared borders are a component of Front Page website program. They are comparable to Server Side Includes in that when you change the shared border it changes all the pages those borders are on. The downside is that if your host's Front Page extensions crap out or your site becomes somehow corrupted (happened many time to me and that is just one reason I don't use them any more and use "real" SSI) your site gets trashed.
    Ah yes, the "good old days" of losing sites made with FP! I have pretty much removed all Front Page components for the reasons you state. Server Side Includes are the way to go. And for design purposes, I simply create and use a subfolder off one of my sites until I am ready to publish to my designated domain.
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