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    Exclamation Any raw vegan here?
    Hi
    I am wondering is here any raw vegan?

    I and my family nearly 2 years uses raw food diet.
    And we really see dramatic changes.
    Actually, we can't even go back to "normal" food.
    We are so glad that we made such decision 2 years ago.
    I remember how we started and we spent more then
    6 months to change smoothly our lifestyle.
    Actually, my wife started firstly and then I nearly her decided
    to do that as well.
    After nearly 10 months, I also decided to try 100% raw
    food diet for at least 4 weeks. That was my biggest breakthrough...
    ( I was inspired by some books).
    And now... we are nearly 90-95% of raw food use in our
    nowadays. At summer time - it was way easier for us.
    And our favorite food was simple tomatoes with garlic. Mmmmmm....
    that is so tasty.
    And now when winter is close we change food again to different
    salads and different nuts with seeds.
    We also have a daughter (may be you saw my videos).
    She is 2,7 years old and almost never ate meat.
    She is doing very great. And many time we have conflicts
    with our old parents, which can't understand how it is possible
    to use ONLY raw food diet. :-)

    And how long are you with this style of living?
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    Hi and welcome! :

    I would be very careful putting a child on a raw diet. Children develop deficiencies very fast, most especially a B12 deficiency, leading to pernicious anemia and growth & mental development problems. I hope you have looked into both sides of the issue and not just books that swarm about raw diets.

    I understand where you are coming from, and I myself aim to follow a more paleo-type diet, but all-raw vegan can seriously harm a child. Here is one article I found.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ldren-ill.html

    Take care,
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    Thanks for your comment.
    However, I would disagree to that. The deficiency of B12 can be shown in very quick period of time. I mean that if you really have luck of it, you can mention that in 2-4 weeks.
    As we are nearly 2 years on this diet, we don't see any problems with ourselves our with our child. Plus many similar families also confirmed that they don't have problems with that as well.

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    You mean a superficious iron deficincy might show up rather soon, but you need to have special bloodwork done to show the real iron reserves the body has, and not just the floating iron. Anemia and pernicious anemia are two different things.

    I am not trying to convince you of anything, just hoping for your child's sake that you have completely informed yourself. Children have *much* different nutritional needs as adults. Remember, bones are built and store calcium until age 20, afterwhich your body lives off these reserves for the rest of your life. Should a child's body not get enough calcium into early adulthood, the chances of early osteoporosis and other illnesses are very high. Kids need a lot more carbs than adults due to their activity levels, and because the brain needs the carbs to grow to an adult state. There are other considerations, but I'm not a doctor, nor your daughter's mother

    Best of luck to you
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    Lin is perfectly right. If you want you can make sure that your daughter is pure vegan. I am a pure vegan.
    But it would be better that you give her properly cooked food instead of raw food. As she is too young she might have problems later in her life to adjust to normal cooked food if she wants to change in future.
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    Thanks to replies and I really respect your opinion.
    However, I disagree on your points.

    "The underlying premise of a raw diet is that
    cooking A) destroys nutrients, B) ruins the
    best source of filtered water you can get
    and C) fundamentally changes the chemical
    composition of food.

    The point being you cannot compare the
    health of a vegetarian eating cooked food to
    a raw foodist - it's not the same thing."

    But again... everybody has their own ways in the life.

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    And there is nothing like the aroma of raw carrots wafting across the house to let you know that supper time is neigh.


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    LOL, @bumpaw!

    That does make me wonder what Thanksgiving is like ??

    Well, to each their own.

    No doubt that does sound like a healthy diet that could be great for the waistline and health. You could hardly overeat on celery during a football game. Perhaps if we just did this for one week out of the year sorta like a fast it wouldn't be too bad.

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    Uncooked food?.
    Do you also eat germs that come along with it?. Yuck.

    Man - except some salads (which also I am very careful too on where I eat them and how well washed they're etc.), I can't fathom eating uncooked food.

    You may be changing the composition of food by cooking ... but at least you're not running the danger of some serious contamination / germs / virus

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    Raw foodies usually eat vegan. Fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds. That's about it. They can all be eaten raw without any worry, I'm sure even you have eaten some raw foods in your life. lol

    I still say it is not healthy for a young child. There is barely any protein, calcium and carbs--certainly not enough for a growing child.

    I try to only eat food that *could* be eaten raw, although I love warm food (and meat!) too much to become a raw foodist. That means I don't eat anything the body couldn't digest if it were raw, like grains, potatoes, legumes. You *could* eat raw meat (bleugh), and raw milk and milk products and I don't personally feel that humans are meant to be vegan/vegetarian. But that is just my little world

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    Hey there,

    After being a vegetarian for over 2 years, I made the move into vegan a few weeks ago. It was pretty hard at first but my body has slowly adapted. I love the feeling I get of only natural unprocessed foods. The health benefits are numerous and I feel fresher and more energetic through out my day.

    For all who have been vegans for a long time, kudos on your dedication.



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    Quote Originally Posted by maksym
    Hi
    I am wondering is here any raw vegan?

    I and my family nearly 2 years uses raw food diet.
    And we really see dramatic changes.
    Actually, we can't even go back to "normal" food.
    We are so glad that we made such decision 2 years ago.
    I remember how we started and we spent more then
    6 months to change smoothly our lifestyle.
    Actually, my wife started firstly and then I nearly her decided
    to do that as well.
    After nearly 10 months, I also decided to try 100% raw
    food diet for at least 4 weeks. That was my biggest breakthrough...
    ( I was inspired by some books).
    And now... we are nearly 90-95% of raw food use in our
    nowadays. At summer time - it was way easier for us.
    And our favorite food was simple tomatoes with garlic. Mmmmmm....
    that is so tasty.
    And now when winter is close we change food again to different
    salads and different nuts with seeds.
    We also have a daughter (may be you saw my videos).
    She is 2,7 years old and almost never ate meat.
    She is doing very great. And many time we have conflicts
    with our old parents, which can't understand how it is possible
    to use ONLY raw food diet. :-)

    And how long are you with this style of living?

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    My daughter and son-in-law have been vegan for several years, but for reasons other than health. In fact, as my daughter has serious digestion problems and allergies, and cannot eat wheat or ANYTHING raw, a diet including well-cooked meat might actually be better for her. Their dietary decisions have been based on their dedication to environmental and animal rights causes, and desire to aid in the elimination of animal suffering. They also only buy "vegan" clothing and other products,

    From what I have learned from them, I frequently consider the horrendous suffering of farm animals in my dietary decisions, and wish I had strength and will power to eliminate all dairy products, chicken, fish, and meat from my diet.

    When MrsHound and I visit them and when they visit us, we observe their diet restrictions, but I am sorry to say, we seldom do the rest of the time.

    We all just spent a week together at the fabulous Tenaya Lodge at Yosemite, and while MrsHound and I and our close friends who joined us there did partake of the incredible "normal" food there, it was amazing to see the undescribable, wonderful vegan dishes that Sous Chef Mario and Executive Chef Duane created to order for our daughter and son-in-law.

    Vegan food can be gourmet and delicious, but it does take incredible dedication to stay on such a diet.

    For theo and other vegans out there, THE book you need, that is a virtual encyclopedia of the vegan lifestyle, everything you need to know about ingredient selection, and a compilation of fabulous vegan recipes, is the Veganomicon: The Ultimate Vegan Cookbook by Isa Chandra Moskowitz and Terry Hope Romero.
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    Another great book for vegans is Alicia Silverstone's The Kind Diet: A Simple Guide to Feeling Great, Losing Weight, and Saving the Planet.

    This exerpt from Amazon's product description says it all:
    In The Kind Diet, actress, activist, and committed conservationist Alicia Silverstone shares the insights that encouraged her to swear off meat and dairy forever, and outlines the spectacular benefits of adopting a plant-based diet, from effortless weight loss to clear skin, off-the-chart energy, and smooth digestion. She explains how meat, fish, milk, and cheese—the very foods we’ve been taught to regard as the cornerstone of good nutrition—are actually the culprits behind escalating rates of disease and the cause of dire, potentially permanent damage to our ecology.
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    Humans were never meant to eat only plant matter. Our intestines and our teeth attest to the fact.

    It is possible to eat meat and dairy in a sustainable manner. One should also talk about the ravages that the wheat, sugar, soya and rapeseed industries have caused for the environment and cause within our bodies. It is never a good thing to view a subject only from one side. An actress may or may not be a good source for scientific nutritional information, but would not be my personal first source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lintlin
    Humans were never meant to eat only plant matter. Our intestines and our teeth attest to the fact.

    It is possible to eat meat and dairy in a sustainable manner. One should also talk about the ravages that the wheat, sugar, soya and rapeseed industries have caused for the environment and cause within our bodies. It is never a good thing to view a subject only from one side. An actress may or may not be a good source for scientific nutritional information, but would not be my personal first source.
    I can attest to the fact vegetarian/vegan diets are not for everyone. I have a thyroid disease. Closely related to that, I have anemia and B12 deficiencies. I have tried eating veggies rich in iron to combat the anemia, but I can't stand them. I have tried going vegetarian for short spans, but I just can't. Many of the "good for you, dark green leafy, iron rich veggies" taste too bitter to me. Well, in my research, I have found out that not only do many veggies that are rich in iron often have goitrogens (bad for the thyroid), but studies have shown that some people have taste receptors that can detect goitrogenic compounds, which taste bitter. That would explain a few things for me.

    As a result, I am very careful about what veggies I eat. Soy is a big no-no, as it blocks absorption of my medication and really isn't very digestible. I tend to get a lot of my iron through meats and supplements. I have gotten B-12 shots when needed.

    So, I would agree, lintlin, many people need more than just plants in their diet to maintain health.
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    If you want to get in to the whole "meant to", then really, should humans be consuming dairy as adults? What other animal drinks milk after it has matured? Let alone drinks the milk from another species? There's always options, soy, rice, almond, etc. Just throwing it out there.

    As far as "nasty" tasting vegetables, ever try using a juicer? Personally, I'm not big on vegetables, but you can still get a lot of the nutrients by juicing them, and you can mix them with other vegetables and fruits to help make them more palatable. You might be surprised at how much grapes can mask the taste of spinach, or how much carrots, an apple, and a cucumber can mask the flavor of beets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrettSaver
    As far as "nasty" tasting vegetables, ever try using a juicer? Personally, I'm not big on vegetables, but you can still get a lot of the nutrients by juicing them, and you can mix them with other vegetables and fruits to help make them more palatable. You might be surprised at how much grapes can mask the taste of spinach, or how much carrots, an apple, and a cucumber can mask the flavor of beets.
    It's not all about the "nasty" taste. Those veggies are fine for someone with healthy thyroid function, but many of those veggies have goitrogens which suppress my already poor thyroid function. Oddly, spinach is one of those veggies that I can palate, but it contains goitrogens so I avoid it.

    In addition, I saw a specialist a few weeks ago and she suggested I may have a fructose intolerance. That would exclude a lot of fruits and veggies from my diet, especially beets, carrots (which I love), garlic (love), onions (love), many types of potatoes (addicted), apple (addicted), tomatoes, etc. I don't know that I'm ready to dump those foods altogether, but I guess I'll have to cut back to see if things improve.
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    I personally love vegetables and to a lesser degree, fruit. I have a lot of food issues though (celiac, corn, rice and soy intolerances as well as irritable bowel syndrome), so I need to be careful what I eat. I find eating raw vegetables, even just a salad can really bloat me, I do not digest "hard" food at all well. I cook my vegetables al dente and find that is the best compromise for me.

    I agree, BrettSaver, that we shouldn't eat/drink dairy. I do eat dairy because I am already so limited in my choices, but it kinda grosses me out when I actually think about what I'm eating LOL

    We humans have evolved to our present form in large part due to our ability to adapt to different nutritional environments. It's rather fascinating, isn't it?

    MeadowMuffn, I hope that it doesn't turn out to be FI. That makes life really hard! Good luck.

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    Hi maksym

    seems you are the only 100% raw here.
    for me, i just eat more food raw by now.

    i still addicted to having cooked food,
    more so to my young son.

    i believe, just my believe, no argue please.

    humans, young or old , regardless of age,
    can live healthy without any meat,
    can live healthy being 100% raw.

    i am a firm believer of fruitarian works as well.

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    There are some wonderful vegetarian receipes available including salads and raw foods

    My favourite cookery book is the Hare Krisna cookbook and I love going to their restuarant in London. The food is nourishing and pleasing to the palate

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    I'm eating a lot less meat than I used to, but don't think I'll ever be a vegan, especially raw vegan.

    I like a lot of the veggies most people hate, spinach, broccoli, brussel sprouts... but also bacon!

    I think a good compromise for most people is just eating a good variety of foods. A lot of people get hung up on labels...

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    If you look at the diet of many of the people who live the longest on this earth - they eat a lot of a meat item and a cooked item. Fish and Rice.

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    >> they eat a lot of a meat item

    Japanese ??

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    I agree that the raw food is amazing. Even for kids. The kid gets daily requirement as Carrot provides Iron and other vitamins. Sprouted grains give proteins.

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    For sure, I think we should all strive to choose carrots over cheetos and salads over big macs for our day-to-day eating. Ever see the movie Super Size Me? It took him over a year to fully recover from that 30 day experiment.

    Even for us non-vegans some moderation and incorporation of more natural vegetable items (uncooked as much as possible) could be very helpful.
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