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    I have been considering investing in either the linkshare datafeed or CJ? I'm not sure which one would be better, or if there are other less costly options out there. If I was already making money I would just dive into both, but since I am not, I want to make an informed choice. Would anyone care to share their opinions?

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    CJ feeds are working for me But with a cloaked and framed links, not with plain vanilla links.
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    Loxly,

    Can you please send me a PM on the difference between the two?

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    No need to pm, CJ feed access is $50 cheaper, easier to get started and the merchants fit my sites and traffic. I may try Linkshare in the future, but with CJ, BeFree and indy feeds and Linkshare merchants with feeds available outside the network it may be 2005 before I get to them.

    Todd and the crew at CJ worked hard to get me set up right and I started making sales with the cloaked links almost immediately.

    EDITED TO ADD: I would *not* have invested in the feed cost if I didn't have the link cloaking software.
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    The way I see it, Linkshare is the only one you need to purchase. I just got my invoice and am just about set up. CJ is free when you make $10,000 in sales. I'll be doing that this month for the first time, so no need to pay the $200 set up fee.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

    EDITED TO ADD: I would *not* have invested in the feed cost if I didn't have the link cloaking software. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If you don't mind me asking, what link cloaking software do you use?

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    Breny its in Loxly's signature!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by loxly:
    CJ feeds are working for me But with a cloaked and framed links, not with plain vanilla links. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>\

    Mabye I am just being dense, but I do not understand what you mean by cloaked and framed links. Well I understand the cloaked part, just not the framed part. Can you point me to a www page as an example?

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    I don't get it.. why do you want a feed if you're not making enough now to get free access?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by midnightcoder:
    I don't get it.. why do you want a feed if you're not making enough now to get free access? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I am laughing so hard I can hardly type. I made almost *NO* money with CJ until I started using feeds!!!!!

    With Norton and parasites you simply cannot generate the revenue WITHOUT a datafeed.

    Cloaking gets around Norton and other ad blockers, framing gets around the parasites.

    Example:
    http://www.artgoodies.net/pages/Grap...ies/index.html
    and click on any link.

    Remember, this is not a free script, this is a solution that costs money, but it MAKES money.
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    I have to add that ALL this info is in threads here at ABW. I learned by reading, searching and reading. I didn't just ask people what they do and they didn't just hand over their methods. You have to put some work into this, and some cash.

    Keep reminding yourself:

    THIS IS A BUSINESS.

    You can do it cheap and easy and make pennies or you can invest time and money and make dollars.

    Thank you again to SandraR, Andy and Todd for showing me how and helping me start making DOLLARS instead of PENNIES.
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    I personally have no problem investing money. I have already invested hundreds in software. I bought webmerge right before I discovered LinksSql.

    I decided I am going use webmerge until I make enough to pay for LinksSQL. That is unless they offer a payment plan

    I'm not there yet, but I do know what direction I am heading in! See you when I get there!

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    WEb Merge is great for Shareasale and indy feeds, I won't use it for CJ or BeFree feeds anymore. I made some sites and they don't convert. So unless you are using a jump script to hide the links from Norton you could be wasting a lot of time.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Example:
    http://www.artgoodies.net/pages/Grap...ies/index.html
    and click on any link. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I get an error page on any link, oh well...

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    Its working for me, what browser are you using and what error are you getting?
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    Working for me too.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by loxly:
    WEb Merge is great for Shareasale and indy feeds, I won't use it for CJ or BeFree feeds anymore. I made some sites and they don't convert. So unless you are using a jump script to hide the links from Norton you could be wasting a lot of time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    ditto!

    they can both work hand in hand if you are creative.

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    I get this


    Oops! Your browser doesn't support cookies or you have refused to accept them.


    Except it does support cookies and is full of them.

    Security is set as default in IE 6. I'm running Windows XP Professional and have Norton Anti Virus and Firewall.

    Be interesting to know what other getting the error are running as well as those that didn't get the error. It may point to the cause.

    All CJ tacking cookies, ABW logon and thousands of other cookies have been accepted.

    The PHP page did take a fair few seconds to load before giving the error.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeventiesMartin:
    The PHP page did take a fair few seconds to load before giving the error. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Um, there isn't any php...

    Where are you people clicking????
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeventiesMartin:
    Oops! Your browser doesn't support cookies or you have refused to accept them.
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    I get this also.. It's because Mister Art has a cookie check, which fails because you've framed their site.

    That's some top cloaking software you've got there.

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    Sorry, just glanced and saw cgi-bin in the url then made a wrong assumption, no php.

    The problem I have with using frames to hide a link from parasites, is that it also removes the golden padlock from the bar.

    Right click on the page and pull up the properties and you can see a page starts https, but no golden padlock because the secure page is within a frame.

    I don't know, but I would imagine this could petentially loose more sales than taking a hit from parasites would. I wouldn't buy from a site without a golden padlock showing, it's a quick visual check I do, and a bet so do a lot of other visitors.

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    When *I* click on it the cookie gets set, it is good to know that it isn't always getting set. There is a setting to allow for not framing some links because some merchant cookies don't get set in frames. So some links will jump in a frame, the cookie is set and all is well. Some links will jump out of a frame and the cookie gets set and hopefully the parasites doen't pop over you, that is the value of the framed link. So this merchant will be changed to jump out of a frame. I don't frame GoCollect or Rockler links for this reason.

    But, it isn't happening for everyone, I get the cookie set on my machine when I click on the link.

    No software is perfect, but this one works more than it doesn't.

    As far as the golden padlock, there are probably more shoppers that have no clue what that means than there are that do.

    I have this software set up on more than one site, one has the jumped links framed and the other doesn't. Both convert. Both convert much better than the WebMerge sites with the same merchants and same links, the WebMerge sites don't convert at all actually.

    The value is there for me and for others, if you want excuses not to use something because it costs money to implement you certainly will always be able to.

    In the meantime, I will keep making money and the rest of you can keep figuring out how
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    I get the error too. And some merchants have it in their terms that you can't frame their site.

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    Ok, ok, I give up!!! LOL. That was a bad example!!!!! It isn't my site, the link was posted with permission though.

    *My* site, using the same software, but differently, cloaks the links and does not frame them. Framing helps with parasites. Cloaking helps with ad blocking and url blocking. My example is below:
    http://coolcraftsites.com/directory/...oks/index.html

    I used frames at first and removed them because of the issues I saw with cookies from some merchants.

    However, from ArtGoodies, you will notice that the CJ tracking cookie *IS* set, it is the MisterArt cookie that is not. I do not know if that affects tracking sales, because the ArtGoodies site DOES have sales for MisterArt recorded.

    So which cookies are the important cookies???

    And for the merchants that don't like to be framed, if they drop the parasites from their programs we wouldn't *need* to frame their links.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I personally have no problem investing money. I have already invested hundreds in software. I bought webmerge right before I discovered LinksSql.

    I decided I am going use webmerge until I make enough to pay for LinksSQL. That is unless they offer a payment plan

    I'm not there yet, but I do know what direction I am heading in! See you when I get there!

    Regards,
    David <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hi. Unfortunatly there are no "payment plans" as such, but we do have stuff like;

    http://www.ultranerds.com/site/Produ...les/index.html

    Feel free to email me with any questions you may have.

    Cheers

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