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    Is the place where a product is manufactured important to the buyers decission? Let me say: would you buy a Mercedes Benz or a Porsche if you know it is manufactured in China or South Africa?

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    Come on ABW'lers vote

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    "The Big Three" have UAW contracts, so UAW workers perform final assembly. They just make the unit-body (or body/frame in the case of truck/SUVs) and place the pieces on them.

    Things like brake lines, steering wheels, etc. are made in non-UAW shops, where the labor is MUCH cheaper. (UAW workers make really good money.)

    There's a chance those non-UAW shops are in China or South Africa.

    If you want a vehicle where all the parts were made under one roof, you'll have to buy something made prior to World War Two. If it's still running, a pre-war car may contain recreated parts from China or South Africa, or have been "hot rodded" with newer technology, possibly made in China or South Africa.

    Unless you make your own car, you are contributing to Globalization.
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    What Weisinator said.

    I'm curious to know why you singled out South Africa and China. Apartheid in South Africa no longer exists. There's still plenty of prejudice as in any nation, but it's not sanctioned by the government.

    Apparently this is a concern for some people. I have one merchant on CJ who frequently adds "Made in the U.S.A." to product descriptions.

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    Weisinator:
    I do not mean this thing you mentioned. I mean if all work is done in China or Southafrica. Even the unit-body making. No work is done in Germany. WOuld this still be a Mercedes or Porsche you will buy?

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    No.

    Lots of people purchase based on where a product is made. Lots don't care.

    You used a poor example, thus why no one is voting.

    In some industries there are sweat shop issues and other issues which makes location a factor in purchase decisions.
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    It depends on the reputation the country has in regards to whatever item I'm interested in.

    I try to avoid the first products that come from any country, at least for things that can break. Let someone else buy the beta versions.

    Cars made in China or S. Africa would fall under the "beta" umbrella. They may make plenty of car *parts* but I never hear of entire cars being shipped here from there.

    Although if I was going to spend that kind of money on a vehicle, I'd get a Hummer. Porsches look cool, but they're nowhere near big enough.
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    It's too complex. Most people don't have a clue that their "American" or "British" car contains parts from all over the world. Or that their "Japanese" car may actually have been assembled in the UK.

    Then throw in laws that say you can call something "made in X" as long as most of the value of that product accrues to country X. Which means you get orange juice labelled "Made in Switzerland."

    Then throw in that various local companies and brands turn out to be owned by companies from the other side of the world, and it's pretty much near impossible to describe anything as "from" anywhere.

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    Thanks all to your input.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carneol:
    Is the place where a product is manufactured important to the buyers decission? Let me say: would you buy a Mercedes Benz or a Porsche if you know it is manufactured in China or South Africa?

    carneol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Your question sounds too general.
    Yes, I would buy a mercedes benz even if it is manufactured / assembled in China/SA if and only if the price tag is lower.

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    The same question can be asked:
    Would you buy a product if it was labeled "less than 10% hand-built?"

    We've gone through this same argument 3 or 4 times through the last century. Steam shovels replaced miners and put them out of jobs.
    Steel plant automation put hundreds of steel plant workers into unemployment lines.
    Then thousands of seamstresses and textile workers were put out of work when their work was more cheaply done overseas.
    The steel workers lost more jobs as other countries with lower labor costs built more of those efficient steel plants.

    In all cases, the jobs that left were thankless, repetetive, mindless jobs that required little intelligence or innovation. Whether replaced by a machine or an army of machine-like people, are we really sad that these jobs were lost? Since the US shed its sweatshop type jobs and concentrated on being experts in designing and innovating (i.e. the 50's and forward) it quickly moved to become the dominating economic power in the world.

    The programming jobs (and other semi-white collar jobs) going overseas are going there because in the last 10 years programming has been reduced to following a documented design and using easy-to-use tools to write applications. Same for call centers - problem solution scripts make it irrelevent who answers the phone (bad accents aside). But who creates the design documents and writes those scripts? Experts in the US, (or other G9 country) that's who.

    The Us prospers because it is forward thinking; encouraging change and risk taking. If you want to see protectionism for out-of-date jobs and how it stifles innovation, check out Germany or the UK. Most everything coming out of these socialistic countries is simply incremental improvement on concepts pioneered in the US or Japan. Mercedes and BMW do very little pioneering, they just over-engineer the concepts created elsewhere.

    Embrace change. Reject protectionism. Innovation is what has made the US great.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The Us prospers because it is forward thinking; encouraging change and risk taking. If you want to see protectionism for out-of-date jobs and how it stifles innovation, check out Germany or the UK. Most everything coming out of these socialistic countries is simply incremental improvement on concepts pioneered in the US or Japan. Mercedes and BMW do very little pioneering, they just over-engineer the concepts created elsewhere. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Actually that's a very complex issue you touch on there. We could begin just by arguing about the definition of prosperity.

    But it does remind me of a movie museum in Germany where there was an old poster put out by the movie theater orchestra association calling on people to boycott talking movies because it would put their members out of a job.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by loxly:
    In some industries there are sweat shop issues and other issues which makes location a factor in purchase decisions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>*Puts on asbestos suit*

    Hong Kong was nothing but a collection of sweatshops owned by London's wealthy elite in the 1950s and 1960s. Today, that city is a world banking powerhouse.

    Sean John clothing contains a line of $80 sweaters that cost $2 to make and next to nothing to ship. The workers earn about $115 a week.

    To those of us accostumed to living in air-conditioned luxury with Sony Playstations (with have the time to play them), that sucks.

    In Honduras, $115 a week is nearly twice what the locally-owned factories pay and four times what you would earn as a farmer using non-mechanized agricultural methods in tropical heat.

    You gotta put things into perspective: Few people own a television. Even fewer own a car. Even fewer own a PC and even fewer have access to the internet. It costs very little to live there.

    $115 a week is still better than eating garbage.

    The only people "hurt" by this are the morons paying $80 for a sweater that should only cost $9.
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    I only used that as an example because people that sell apparel at Cafe Press have been asked about the background of some of the apparel. I don't personally think about it, but it influences *some* people's purchase decisions, which I think was the original question.
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