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    ABW Veteran Student Heyder's Avatar
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    Have people begun accepting longer load times for web pages or are we still keeping things small for the dial up users?

    What should a 56k connection expect?

    Try this link http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ to test your page if you don't already have an idea of how fast your page loads. I found my page to be very scary. I used to work with a dial up connection and now I work with highspeed internet. I hadn't remembered how bad the net could be until I check my site.

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    Hi, Heyder,

    I am running a 28.8K dialup modem here in the technologically backward rural Texas Hill Country so I try to code my pages so they load up in 30 seconds or less.

    (I figure anyone who has the money to buy what I am offering for sale on my web site probably
    has 56K or faster anyway.)

    I time them using the Opera 6.04 browser.

    Here are the results for my home page that I got from that cool link you posted:

    Connection Rate Download Time
    14.4K 65.51 seconds
    28.8K 32.86 seconds
    33.6K 28.19 seconds
    56K 16.99 seconds
    ISDN 128K 5.34 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 0.65 seconds

    Thanks for posting that link!!

    RadarCat
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    ABW Veteran Student Heyder's Avatar
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    14.4K 118.86 seconds
    28.8K 59.43 seconds
    33.6K 50.94 seconds
    56K 30.56 seconds
    ISDN 128K 9.36 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 0.81 seconds

    Looks like I'm about double yours. I should cut back I guess

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    My biggest earning site is even slower...

    14.4K 135.33 seconds
    28.8K 67.66 seconds
    33.6K 58.00 seconds
    56K 34.80 seconds
    ISDN 128K 10.66 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 0.93 seconds
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    I've got a few sites that are pretty slow to load on slow connections as well, and I've tried to reduce the page sizes, but in order to have a nice looking page that's relevant, everything that's there has to stay.

    I've never had anyone complain, though. Some of the big sites take quite a while to load as well. I think people on slow connections get used to it, and understand it's their connection, not the site.

    Andy

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    LOL...Ecomcity.com
    Download Times*
    Connection Rate Download Time
    14.4K 335.14 seconds
    28.8K 167.57 seconds
    33.6K 143.63 seconds
    56K 86.18 seconds
    ISDN 128K 26.39 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 2.29 seconds

    PR 5 interior page ....
    Download Times*
    Connection Rate Download Time
    14.4K 549.01 seconds
    28.8K 274.51 seconds
    33.6K 235.29 seconds
    56K 141.17 seconds
    ISDN 128K 43.23 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 3.75 seconds

    Best traffic page with full pageview counts

    Download Times*
    Connection Rate Download Time
    14.4K 762.85 seconds
    28.8K 381.42 seconds
    33.6K 326.93 seconds
    56K 196.16 seconds
    ISDN 128K 60.07 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 5.21 seconds

    I make the savvy shoppers feel the pain and weed out the cheapskate dialup wimps. When I get a click on a network report both me and my referral earned it
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    Glad you posted that, Mike. I've always wondered about your load times.

    Here's my home page:

    Connection Rate Download Time
    14.4K 98.14 seconds
    28.8K 49.07 seconds
    33.6K 42.06 seconds
    56K 25.23 seconds
    ISDN 128K 7.73 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 0.67 seconds

    I need to loose 60k of graphics and shorten the html to 20k for a 8 second load time. I'm thinking it's preferable to reduce the graphics and accept some slow load time for a little extra html. Some of my slower pages are the highest ranking and pull a lot of traffic. Unfortunately the same pages are the most popular exit pages.
    ~Ernie

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    Slow loading is OK if there is something substantial near the top to chew on while waiting.

    There still are a lot of dial-up users! My guess is over 50%, and some of them pretty slow.
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    762 seconds!!!

    Actually, the small amount of feedback I *do* get from visitors is that they enjoy the site because of the large number of high-quality product images on it.
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    I think the real thing to brag about, is how big your HTML is, without the images. We should all post the total size of images or the total size of the HTML for our main landing page (where most of the junk is)

    Mine is 37,583 bytes.

    And just to compare with everyone else:
    14.4K 133.50 seconds
    28.8K 66.85 seconds
    33.6K 57.33 seconds
    56K 34.48 seconds
    ISDN 128K 10.70 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 1.11 seconds

    The best of my interior pages looks like this:
    14.4K 13.57 seconds
    28.8K 6.88 seconds
    33.6K 5.93 seconds
    56K 3.64 seconds
    ISDN 128K 1.25 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 0.29 seconds
    (that was tough (for me anyway) to do)

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    You wimp.. 76,585 bytes for me!
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    "You wimp.. 76,585 bytes for me! " Heheheheh... So I'm a lightweight!

    When I first started, I used lots of nested tables and other stuff, talk about bloated. Now it's CSS, and a table only in an emergency.

    Fred

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    Call me old fasioned but I still shoot for 10 seconds on a 56k. I try to shoot for no more than 30k including images and html but will go up to 60K.


    The load times for a few of my sites at 56K
    the range goes from 2.5 seconds up to 16.16 seconds.

    CheeseHead is correct. You can code the html to give the appearance that the page is loading faster than it is. I generally like to use "stacked tables" instead of including the entire page in on huge table.

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    Despite having numerous high quality photographs all over my site, due to lots of optimization of the photographs and relatively short page lengths, I've happily managed to keep my pages loading relatively quickly.

    Connection Rate Download Time
    14.4K 55.40 seconds
    28.8K 27.90 seconds
    33.6K 23.97 seconds
    56K 14.54 seconds
    ISDN 128K 4.73 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 0.78 seconds

    Not having any slow banners to load really do help things along!

    Also, don't forget that actual load speed is one thing. The APPARENT load speed is also very important - more important in some ways. The apparent load speed is how fast the page seems to load to a person. By structuring your site that uses multiple independent tables, your site can appear to load MUCH more quickly than it would if all is slopped into one big table.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MrSpeed:I generally like to use "stacked tables" instead of including the entire page in on huge table. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I tend to have a small table at the top with alot of relevant text in it and few images so that this loads quickly and gives the surfer something to look at while the rest of the page is on its way. It also shows that the page really is loading, I hate pages that do nothing for ages and you're not sure if it's going to end up as a 404 after all that waiting.

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    I don't even pay no never mind to no load time. If they can afford our stuff, they already have DSL or cable connection.

    I put what I want on the pages.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CheeseHead:
    Slow loading is OK if there is something substantial near the top to chew on while waiting.

    There still are a lot of dial-up users! My guess is over 50%, and some of them pretty slow. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That's called adsense for me.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I am running a 28.8K dialup modem here in the technologically backward rural Texas Hill Country <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    And you build websites???

    I hope you have a comfortable chair RadarCat.

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    Removing white space from HTML files can save more than you would think - that's line feeds, indents etc.

    Of course, you can't read the HTML once you've done that, so you need a properly formatted backup.

    Another possible advantage is that people can't steal your brilliant coding ideas quite so easily.

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