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    I only looked back a year or so myself, but is this the first time a merchant has launched their program at ABW under "New Programs and Announcements" and then locked the thread to prevent further discussion/criticism?

    http://abw.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tp...11&m=462102538

    I understand this might look like mischief-making, but I've been very struck by what this thread might tell us about the different underlying values and behaviours of affiliates and merchants, so well illustrated when "poacher" turns "gamekeeper".

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    Well, usually those threads don't turn into a debate about ethics, marketing techniques and the morals of a cartoon woman. As the announcements forum is a paid forum, Sandra is well within her rights to close the thread.

    I don't think it's an example of poacher turned gamekeeper. That isn't a discussion forum - it's advertising. Merchants can choose to allow responses to their announcements or not, but it IS THEIR choice.

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    markymark,

    You hit my closing of the thread on target!

    I love the debate - I love the heated discussions, heck I am famous for such debates.

    Understandably I paid to announce and not debate.

    If you want to debate lets open a thread!

    Thank you markymark for seeing my real intention.

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    SandraR, I think you should listen to the valid points made in the locked thread and take them under serious advisement. Yes, that may mean starting from scratch and re-doing a lot that you have done and calling some money you spent educational expenses. But, I really think you should give it a whole lot of thought and not dismiss the suggestions out of hand. It may mean the difference between huge, long term success and failure.
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    Sandra SSanf,

    I did listen - but what most do not understand is I did not spend small amounts on advertising, nor was this a short-term goal. I have been sitting on this idea for well over 3 years.

    I understand this may not be the perfect scenario, but it is not the worst.

    As a merchant I will never be late to pay - I have removed all leaks as was explained to me. I even stepped up to the plate on alternatives.

    I would like my friends here at ABW to give me a shot; I am moving and changing per requests as fast as I can unless I find them unreasonable.

    There are a lot of things I have done that are not public knowledge; I did take a poll in advanced of promoting. My advertising dollar is well over $100,000 to start with and IT’S SPENT!

    This is not a small task - this is not a shoot from the hip project. 3 years I have worked on marketing and opinions. As hbcouple stated ABW was the wrong place to announce. I took it, as this is where I raise heck and the best contributors of the best ideas!

    I new it would be heck - as I expected. I did close the thread for one reason ---- It was to be an announcement not a debate as markymark stated!

    Please give me critique I can work with – I hate this is not something I can change. Tell me go private label – I am working on it. Tell me you are charging $125 is crazy. I can not work with that, tell me $125 is a bad start why not $50 (and why it’s a better fee) … I can do that!

    If a person is going to complain at least make it valid ----- as opposed to BECUSASE…

    I am eager to work with the PEOPLE I ADMIRE!

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    I really don't get this.

    You spent 3 years on marketing and opinions and came up with a site on a subdomain? That just doesn't make any sense.

    When i asked my gf who does marketing for a living she just laughed looking at the front page. "Tacky, supposed to focus on the product, not the big t*** or slutty woman. Most people who go to flea markets are women and looking to find a bargain not a **"

    There is a reason sites like ebay or other sites wouldn't put a graphic like that on the home page. They already did the market research. To me it's common sense why you wouldn't.

    Looks like no marketing or research went into this. Plus pay me more You and OS only wanting to pay $1 to deliver sellers/buyers, you only sellers is a joke. Auction sites or flea market sites are nothing without sellers (no buyers without any sellers) and you should pay affiliates accordingly.

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    TrustNo1 ,

    Research showed men sell more at fleamarkets than woman!

    ha ha ha go figure!

    Look at the eBay numbers.

    Men sell more while woman buy more!

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    That is true. So that's the reason you chose a graphic that looks like the entrance to cartoon porn? Nevermind, you're just not getting it. Besides that, all the other issues bought up. Did your marketing research show people remember something.something.com more than something.com? $1 payouts and only for sellers? Good luck.

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    Trust,

    So you and the other critics are going to have nothing to do with http://auctions.overstock.com/ ???

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    Overstock.com is not competing with other affiliates for other merchants.
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would like my friends here at ABW to give me a shot <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, I don't suppose many will until you put it on its own domain. That seems to be what really sticks in everyone's craw.

    The graphic is too cutesy pie for me, but hey, what do I know? I could live with it. It is OK to start with, anyhow.
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    Sandra,

    This is your time for ritual - I hope I am not taking away from it. Lets chat this up when you return

    Sister enjoy!

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    Speaking strictly from a marketing perspective, that front page graphic is puzzling. It has nothing to do with buying or selling, it is tacky and moderately suggestive, and is highly....HIGHLY unprofessional.

    In order for a site like that to work, you need to gain the trust of the people you are renting booths to, and your site should convey a sense of professionalism to anyone who might come there to shop. That site DOES NOT.

    As a buyer or a seller, why should I trust a site that looks as though it was designed by a young boy who is struggling in the firm grasp of puberty?

    Some of your responses are nothing short of pigheaded...I read several comments from members who are simply trying to help you out. It is obvious that a majority of folks here find the graphic out of place...you must accept that just because you like it, that doesn't make it an effective and appropriate home page. I mean really...censorship? Zimmy is a potential customer and you are telling her that her opinion and the opinion of her site viewers doesn't matter to you, because the ladies you live around are all more attractive than her and her visitors!

    I have seen several merchants take it on the chin here for not listening to affiliate complaints and for not bending over backwards to smooth affiliate worries...you are likely heading down that path.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TrustNo1:
    Did your marketing research show people remember something.something.com more than something.com? $1 payouts and only for sellers? Good luck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    TrustNo1,

    What most people have no clue about is ssan.com maintains well over a 100K in pages of content and services related stuff that has NOTHING to do with affiliate marketing. Adding the FleaMarket to ssan.com is the best marketing move.

    As for sign ups- we are growing faster than you may like!

    As for your $1.00 complaint - do the math please -- we are only charging $5.00.

    I could have used my husbands suggestion of paying out 10%, sure sounds like a lot more but its actually .50 cents at present I am paying out 20%.

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    I think we have a good idea about ssan.com. It doesn't matter how many page you have Sandra. All your pages have links to the affiliate stuff on them. Near the top middle, a nice clearance section with descriptions and affiliate links to the merchants. Over on the right, a forum full of coupons and deals. Below the fold, tons of categories that link to information that has links to various merchants.

    After all that, when you go tot the merchant, you pop them up in a frame with all your other affiliate sites listed at the top.

    Sorry Sandra, as much as you do not want to admit it, your fleamarket site being part of your main site is a bad idea and most affiliates her won't bite. There is enough competion out there without us activly sending them directly to another affiliate.

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    I gotta take some of the heat from TrustNo1 on this ...

    I don't especially care too much about this project - I don't really expect it to amount to anything - but I am interested in just how quickly affiliates adopt AM-speak and mindset when they cross over the line. Most of us are trying our best to scrape a decent or supplementary income from this uncertain, unruly, undiisciplined world and I guess most of us wouldn't necessarily like our efforts to be in the spotlight. But if you you push yourself forward into that limelight, you have to be ready to take the heat ...

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What most people have no clue about is ssan.com maintains well over a 100K in pages of content and services related stuff that has NOTHING to do with affiliate marketing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    That's lucky - since Google seems only to have indexed about 4,440 of them. Maybe some of them - like your unattributed how-to articles - fell foul of the "duplicate content filter"?

    Or do you include all the links you frame as "pages"?

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Adding the FleaMarket to ssan.com is the best marketing move. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    Yeah - for ssan.com. You could have linked 100K pages at ssan.com to a new fleamarket domain, ideally on a new and unrelated IP, but instead decided to spatter links to www.ssan.com across the new subdomain.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As for sign ups- we are growing faster than you may like! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    I count 9 active so far?

    $100,000 on advertising spent so far - puleeze.

    All that "back-end" effort hbcouple refer to - its LinksSQL + plugins.

    The hip-tilted, hair-over-eyes cartoon blonde is crazy bad, the cheap-ass grammar on the "auto's", "camera's" etc is still there (I thought hbcouple were "writers").

    I didn't even notice auctions.overstock.com. but I see they have thousands of items posted already. Which is pretty impressive, but gives an idea of the 'net presence you need to even scratch Ebay.

    So ... if I don't care about this project, why have I wasted so much of my time researching and typing this? Well, I have to ask myself, if the business model is plainly flawed, the affiliate program not worth promoting, the site/domain design/structure poor ... where is the value for ABW affiliates?

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    Well if that is how you feel it’s a good thing CatalogCity did not make it!

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    Wow, you spent over 100,000 on this and couldn't come up with a seperate domain name? Come on, you KNOW you're trying to help the traffic at ssan.com, the 100,000 pages that don't have anything to do with affiliate marketing, still have affiliate links on them and if any other merchant would've closed a thread down like she did, well she would've tarred and feathered them by now. It's amazing some of the standards people hold up, until you apply them to them.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CrazyGuy™:
    [QUOTE]As for sign ups- we are growing faster than you may like!
    I count 9 active so far? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    So glad everyone shoots their mouth with out knowing the truth!

    Thanks for the giggle today!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by qball©:
    Wow, you spent over 100,000 on this and couldn't come up with a seperate domain name? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I did not want nor do I want a separate domain. PLEASE drink some coffee before posting!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by qball©:
    if any other merchant would've closed a thread down like she did, well she would've tarred and feathered them by now. It's amazing some of the standards people hold up, until you apply them to them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Show me in the announcements area a bare minimum of 5 merchants that have let you debate there PAID FOR announcements?

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    You would think affiliates would know how to run an affiliate program, and how to interact with affiliates they would like to promote their stuff, but I guess that's why you don't see the crossover too often.

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    qball,

    What I do find odd is of all the afiflaites I have now the best traffic is coming from those not from ABW!

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    Imagine that, wonder why? hehe

    BTW, there are atleast five threads on the first page where debate has taken place in an announcement, and none of those were closed.

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