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January 26th, 2011, 09:49 AM #1The Direction of ABW
It has been suggested ABW is dying. It has been suggested ABW is growing.
Is ABW dying? How? Why? What is the problem(s)? What is the possible solution(s)? Is the forum moving in the wrong direction?
Is ABW growing? How? Why? What are the positives taking place on ABW? Are you encouraged by recent changes? Is the forum moving in the right direction?
I ask for your total HONESTY. Give an HONEST answer. Vote HONESTLY.
NOTE: I also ask that Michael Coley not respond to this thread, other than for moderation reasons. As administrator, any response may influence the discussion in a negative why. By that I mean, as administrator, some members may see his position of power and his response may influence their response.
January 26th, 2011, 11:02 AM #2
The options listed are kind of sterile and categorical. Pigeonholes.
What is "the right direction"? What is "the wrong direction"? Who says?
It's a forum. It may go in 26 different directions today, 32 different directions tomorrow, 17 the next day.....
January 26th, 2011, 11:39 AM #3~Rhia7 -- Remember the 7
January 26th, 2011, 11:41 AM #4
superCool is waiting for direction from Michael Coley, then he will respond
January 26th, 2011, 12:23 PM #5
What a waste of bytes.
-rematt"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - Richard Nixon
January 26th, 2011, 12:48 PM #6
WRONG DIRECTION - This does not any anyway imply that there is not changes for the better taking place on ABW. It simply means you believe there is more negatives than positive currently taking place on ABW.
RIGHT DIRECTION - This does not any anyway imply that there is nothing but positives taking place on ABW. It simply means that overall you believe the positive outweighs the negative.
This was meant to be a generic question. Do you believe the positives (right direction) on ABW outweigh or outnumber the negatives (wrong direction)? Or do you believe the negatives (wrong direction) on ABW outweigh or outnumber the positives (right direction)?
January 26th, 2011, 01:24 PM #7
- Join Date
- January 18th, 2005
Another meaningless, biased survey. None of the three options describes my viewpoint; I certainly am not "neutral" on the topic.
I've certainly perceived some changes since the ownership change. Some of the changes have been positive. Some have been negative. Overall, I feel that ABW has become "slightly less useful," not just for me but also for most web publishers (affiliates) and also for merchants.
My perception is that there are fewer active participants who are experienced web publishers (affiliates), and there seems to be an increase in posts by newbies, with fewer-but-more-friendly responses to those posts.
Last year, I disagreed with several "moderation decisions," and as a result, I "mostly" stopped participating here for several months (even when I resumed work on active web projects that would have led me to ask questions and initiate discussions in past years). I had already stopped looking to ABW for some types of information and feedback that I found very useful in the past.
Some have suggested that a higher percentage of posts are being made by OPMs, a perception that I share, but I don't blame any OPMs for the practices or changes that I perceive to be negative. They're just the folks with the strongest immediate interest in maintaining the ABW community.
Yet I don't think it's fair to say that "ABW" or "the ABW Community" or "ABW's management" is "moving in the wrong direction."
I certainly think it might be helpful for ABW's management to solicit some honest, specific feedback about members' perceptions of specific changes in the community. That's not accomplished by creating biased surveys (nor by fabricating or trying to start arguments).
I don't think "right" or "wrong" are appropriate terms to use in referring to relatively subtle changes in the direction of a community, at least in this situation. The community is changing, and some policies and practices have changed, and the engagement level of many individual members has changed. As a result, the community is becoming less comfortable or less useful for some folks, but it's probably also becoming more comfortable and useful for other folks.
Last edited by markwelch; January 26th, 2011 at 01:35 PM.
January 26th, 2011, 01:25 PM #8
So -- "right" and "wrong," as well as "negative" and "positive" are all really too objective.
My personal opinion is that ABW is changing as more newbies seem to be posting here than previously. But that's just my personal opinion.
As far as "right direction" or "wrong direction," I don't know. Having more newbies posting here, and having them ask questions that may have been answered repeatedly over the years, is personally a bit annoying. But then, "personally annoying" isn't exactly the gold standard for deciding whether ABW is right/wrong or better/worse than it has been over the years.
Mostly just different.
GaryGenerate more fake news.
January 26th, 2011, 01:55 PM #9
To me, this statistic is a true marker of the direction that A Best Web has taken over the past couple of years - The number of new members who joined and became active participants, with enough posts to qualify for the "Best New Member" Award:
2008 - 55
2009 - 10
2010 - 3
It is above all else, very sad that while many new people join, for whatever reason, few are staying and becoming active.
January 26th, 2011, 02:00 PM #10-Don't criticize anyone til you've walked a mile in their shoes. Then when you do criticize them, you'll be a mile away and have their shoes.
- Silence is golden. Duct Tape is silver.
January 26th, 2011, 02:09 PM #11
Personally, yes, I think it's annoying when it takes a while to implement features members want. As a programmer, and specifically one that's worked with VBulletin, it's not easy to implement some of the suggested improvements. Programmers can't just wave a magic wand and implement all this stuff. If we could, we'd all be friggin' millionaires. LOL. iNet is listening and they're working on it. I am patient. Patience is, after all, a virtue. We'd be worse off if they refused to take input from us and I've been a part of communities where that happened.
As far as conversations on the forums go, if you don't like what you see, don't gripe about the lack of relevant conversation. START it. ABW is a community and what WE make of it.
Also, I don't think it's appropriate to exclude Michael Coley from the conversation. He may be administrator, but he's also a member of the community. He was a member long before he became an administrator.
Last edited by meadowmufn; January 26th, 2011 at 02:12 PM.-Don't criticize anyone til you've walked a mile in their shoes. Then when you do criticize them, you'll be a mile away and have their shoes.
- Silence is golden. Duct Tape is silver.
January 26th, 2011, 02:15 PM #12
It is what it is. In the global sense there is no right or wrong direction. But, the house that Haiko built is not the house that ABW now is. The tolerance approach of the "kinder gentler ABW" in my opinion is unwittingly encouraging a lot of newbies with misguided affiliate marketing ideas that are met with only occasional resistance by members. Consequently ABW is becoming infested with a flood of garbage affiliates.
Tolerance to non-mainstream product marketing may well have undesirable consequences too. Building a house in the low rent district will attract a low rent clientèle.
Used to be that I recognized most of the names in the logged in users list. Not anymore. I recognize 20% or less at this moment. I spend little time here because there is just not much content that interests me. And a large portion of that content is simply promotion by AMs, OPMs, merchants, and networks.
So right direction/wrong direction is purely subjective and defined by the subscriber's desires. In that sense, for my purposes, I suppose I would have to say that ABW is headed in the wrong direction. Because that's only my opinion based on my set of values, voting the poll above would be pointless.
January 26th, 2011, 02:35 PM #13Also, I don't think it's appropriate to exclude Michael Coley from the conversation. He may be administrator, but he's also a member of the community. He was a member long before he became an administrator.
January 26th, 2011, 02:42 PM #14
As some have mentioned, it seems like a lot more newbies (not a bad thing for sure, except there doesn't seem to be the growth trajectory toward contribution), a lot of threads that barely get interaction, and such.
Michael is a good guy who works hard and seems to have a lot of integrity. I do wonder what his "vested interest" is in the site (none of my business by way of details but it would be helpful to know the general idea). He has often responded to the "its quiet in here" types of threads started over the past year with how page views/etc. are up, but obviously those metrics aren't translating into maintaining the activity level and vibe of the place.
I was shocked to read in the other thread in the Inner Circle that he has been waiting over a year for what he views as important upgrades/changes/features to ABW but is still in the iNet queue for getting these done, let alone less priority projects and ideas. Yikes!! Thus I said it was dying (yes, I confess!!) -- but maybe the better image is that it is being reborn into something different than it was previously. Maybe more newbie friendly but less relevant to veterans.
January 26th, 2011, 02:43 PM #15
January 26th, 2011, 02:46 PM #16
gonna comment real quickly on just one thing
Michael should definitely be included in any of these discussions
oooh, just happened to spot my post number is at 3,333 uhh not that it means anything lol just strange
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January 26th, 2011, 02:51 PM #17
January 26th, 2011, 02:53 PM #18
Michael Coley is free to comment and join the discussion. All I ask, and I probably don't have the right to ask this, but I am asking anyway.
Please let this discussion continue even if it does get a little "un-civil". Some members have brought up some EXCELLENT points.
Let's talk about it. It isn't "us vs you" or "us vs them". It is a heartfelt discussion by members who are concerned with the current state of affairs on ABW.
Let us all reason together. Listen to us and our concerns and ideas.
Time to be honest and open about a lot of things. However, a lot of members are choosing not to participate or rarely participate because, in part, to the reasons members have brought up above.
So, I never meant to totally exclude Michael. I just wanted the discussion to get off the ground before he joined in.
January 26th, 2011, 02:58 PM #19
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January 26th, 2011, 03:37 PM #20
Things change, and life goes on...
January 26th, 2011, 03:42 PM #21
What is lacking? Someone like Haiko that posted every 7 seconds to spur every single thread into one direction or the other. My two cents. So who is willing to step up and be that kind of a member?
January 26th, 2011, 03:57 PM #22...to spur every single thread into one direction or the other...
January 26th, 2011, 04:19 PM #23
I don't have a vote to give, not even a neutral vote. This tag on the thread made me chuckle, though
January 26th, 2011, 04:23 PM #24-Don't criticize anyone til you've walked a mile in their shoes. Then when you do criticize them, you'll be a mile away and have their shoes.
- Silence is golden. Duct Tape is silver.
January 26th, 2011, 04:28 PM #25
Maybe that is exactly what this forum needs. More DRAMA.
I always did like dramas more than sappy love stories, which sadly, at time is what ABW feels like.
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