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    I applied at a few advertisers on the CJ network lastnight and now I check my inbox to find 5 rejected applications. These people are retared. My EPC is three times theirs and their network earnings show only 1-3 $$$.

    How stupid can these people actually be? It's not like they pay per click or something. They don't pay a dime unless you sell something. Maybe they don't like to get sales.

    I sent them all nastygrams but my frustration still lingers.

    Moron list below:

    Synergy Diet (advertiser) Sorry, your application w... 01/10/03
    Joe Muscle (advertiser) Sorry, your application w... 01/10/03
    Teacher Created Materials (advertiser) Sorry, your application w... 01/10/03
    Kitchen Etc (advertiser) Sorry, your application w... 01/10/03
    Palm Inc (advertiser) Sorry, your application w... 01/10/03
    Made E-Z Products (advertiser) Sorry, your application w... 01/10/03

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    ABW Veteran Student Heyder's Avatar
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    Oh and speaking of the CJ email system.

    Has anyone ever recieved an actual nice email from electric business? These people are always complaining that publishers are doing this and doing that but I've never heard anything nice from them. Their latest email is entitled "Please Remove" and is about how they don't want coupon givers in their network. Well I'm fine with that I agree with them but how about a nice email once in-between their weekly rants and complaints.

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    I think some of these affiliate program managers must be just punching the wrong key on their keyboards. I signed up for a bunch one night and was amazed how fast some came back turned down.

    As far as your comment, Heyder, about your EPC being higher (and I don't know if you were emplying this or not) I don't think the merchants can see your EPC.

    I know I have a dozen web sites listed under my one CJ account and I think they can only see the one main account I signed up for. Lots of time I contact them to tell them which specific web site I want to put their links on and 90% of the time they approve me.

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    ABW Veteran Student Heyder's Avatar
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    I've contacted various merchants before and you're right they usually approve you but I didn't feel like it this time so I got nasty.

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    Is there anyway to change the site we signed up with? I tried deleting it but it stays there anyway

    I used a vey crappy one to sign up for cj since I didn't know it would be that important

    Javi

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    Uh... Javi I think I know what you mean..

    You Can't delete the old site, because your records for the past transactions are kept for that site for a couple of years.

    I think you can rename the site, but then the old records you have from the past would show up under the new name.

    Don't take that for a sure thing, but I think that's the way it worked.

    Hope that's what you wanted to know

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    I have been approved for many merchants with a phone call. To find them I just call the CS number and ask and ask. Eventually I find out who the affily manger is and once the speak to me, they always approve me. I think that when they hear a voice they make a connection with a person. If you really want these merchants, I would try a few phone calls Couldn't hurt.

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    quote:
    As far as your comment, Heyder, about your EPC being higher (and I don't know if you were emplying this or not) I don't think the merchants can see your EPC.



    7-days,

    Merchants *can* see 7-day and 3-month EPC figures but only if you apply to their program.

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    Heyder , I know how it feels...the biggest mistake i did is i used one of my dummy sites when i signed up for CJ ...

    I got rejected by a lot of merchants , i deleted that site but its still showing up.

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    so far I have been rejected once - the CJ recruiter program. It is an immediate reject. I ask them why, they post back an email few days later with many reasons. One that look likely is the case - only people from US and UK can joined.

    So I email back and say, hey my visitors are all from US although I am not. Few days later, I get a same email reply.

    You know what, they didn't read your mail, they just CUT and PASTE a same templete to answer your mail.

    It is also sometimes frustrated that the advertiser only allow publishers from certain country to join. Where did a webmaster originate from doesn't means their visitors will be the same place.

    I wonder will these advertisers success...

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    quote:
    Originally posted by RedFish:
    so far I have been rejected once - the CJ recruiter program. It is an immediate reject. I ask them why, they post back an email few days later with many reasons. One that look likely is the case - only people from US and UK can joined.

    So I email back and say, hey my visitors are all from US although I am not. Few days later, I get a same email reply.

    You know what, they didn't read your mail, they just CUT and PASTE a same templete to answer your mail.

    It is also sometimes frustrated that the advertiser only allow publishers from certain country to join. Where did a webmaster originate from doesn't means their visitors will be the same place.

    I wonder will these advertisers success...


    I think the merchants rejected you, because your site is located outside the US.
    Where your Visitors are coming from is secondary. Mechants who do only accept US affiliates feel more safe, because they know, that they can take legal step against the affiliate, if necessary (that's may be one of the reasons, but there are some more).

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Wayne Porter- AffTrack:
    quote:
    As far as your comment, Heyder, about your EPC being higher (and I don't know if you were emplying this or not) I don't think the merchants can see your EPC.



    7-days,

    Merchants *can* see 7-day and 3-month EPC figures but only if you apply to their program.

    regards,
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    They can see:
    7 Day EPC
    3 Month EPC
    AND Network Earnings (to show the merchant, if you (and how good) generate money on the CJ Network.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Carsten, Shop-Links:
    I think the merchants rejected you, because your site is located outside the US.



    Unlikely in at least 2 cases here unless they have changed their requirements. I signed up & was accepted by 2 of the listed merchants. Neither converted and one has since dropped me.

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    Thanks for the clarification on what the merchants can see. I guess my next question would be, what do these merchants want, a $50+ EPC before they approve us? I've had them turn me down with a $24 EPC before.

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    Affiliate managers who reject affiliates are just plain stupid. (Except for reasons of website pornography, hatred, etc...) .

    The absolute reality is that some of their best potential affiliates don't even have a website created and are signing up to build a site based around a theme or a specific affiliate program. A couple merchants I earn around a grand a month from and I signed up when I had no site created for them yet. If a "moron" affiliate manager who doesn't understand affiliate marketing rejected me at the beginning - they never would have gotten the thousands monthly in biz I possibly would create for them.

    Joe Muscle is a perfect example of moron affiliate management as I also was just rejected and I have weight lifting equipment and weight loss program sites that are pure "target market" for them. I sincerely hope they read this thread. They have a lot of company as well with many affiliate programs also rejecting top potential affiliates.


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    Joe Muscle was the one that dropped me after 2 months of no sales. Oh, well, their loss....

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    In an in-house program or anywhere where the merchant has to cut the check and/or track all the affiliates, I can see mechants being very picky.

    But on CJ where they handle everything - I don't see the point. Does CJ charge extra per 100 affiliates (or something)?

    Chet
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    CJ does not charge based upon the number of affiliates in your program.

    CJ does charge $0.03 per affiliate for bulk mailing (e.g. newsletters) to affiliates, but you have the ability to put your affiliates into groups and send messages to just one or more groups etc.

    In the Dotster program I accept anyone and have various groups to track performance e.g. "Top performers", "Inactive", "Dec Signups", "Custom Commission Rates" etc and send messages accordingly.

    Our former Affiliate Program Manager deleted under-performing affiliates to try to keep a higher EPC but I disagree with that, it causes resentment from those you reject and I would much rather have 5000 sales/month and an EPC of $5 than $1000 sales/month and an EPC of $25.

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    don't bother with joemuscle, they blow joe. ;D

    hehehe... shitty conversion, and low low low EPC. lotta reversals too! they just suck so avoid them.

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    Yea, it sucks when you're $$$$$, and you get rejected from a $$ merchant.

    There's also those outfits like Frederick's of Hollywood who drop you no matter how many sales you bring them. Reason: Inactivity ???

    I just target their customers and give them to a smarter merchant.

    I think that's just it. Some merchant's don't want affiliates that do, or who are likely to target their customers.

    They'd rather have those sites people do for a hobby - people who aren't going to expend their energy targeting their customers (or possibly even their name).

    Hobby sites stick a banner up there and hope it might do something to help pay for hosting, etc.
    They're really no threat, and are easier to screw over.

    But a real allout affiliate is a potential competitor or possibly even an enemy to a merchant....Like a Google-Yahoo partnership.

    I think affiliate programs are here to stay. Let's face it, Adwords will only get you so far bro, you need sales people (AFFILIATES)!

    All merchants that want to play the Fingerhut game....this is the internet people! Someone might tarnish your name? Target your customers so you have to payout? Play by the rules of the jungle or lose!

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    I used to get rejected quite often when applying to programs, so I changed the description of the site I signed up with..

    It basically now says "I target US based traffic, my sites are highly targeted, please review my other sites, blah, blah, blah.. and anything else you can come up with (switch US to UK or other countries as required).

    Since I changed the description of the first site, I hardly ever get rejected, so it seems to have worked.

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    Hi..

    I'm the AM for DebtAdvocates.cc I'll let you know what I like to see from a webmaster =) I almost always will reverse a rejection if you contact me someway, either through email or phone even if the site is subpar. I do this because I assume you will be ACTIVE and I also hopefully assume that you have other sites and hopefully the subpar one will not be used for our stuff =). If you have multiple web sites then please please please email us and tell us which one you are using. I bet I reject a lot of legit webmasters because the site they signed up with isn't up or just is lacking. Hope this helps =)

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    Just to clarify my position.

    I don't care that I was "rejected" by these loosers. My point is to show how these companies are run by morons and that's why they are failing as merchants. I think this shows that CJ can only do so much, the rest is left up to morons.

    BTW I had sent out nastygrams to the five merchants and two of them so far have responded with snide remarks of their own.

    I should get into all the details but I need to protect the lesser intelligent from their own undoings.

    One of them responded that half my sites don't show up because I must have typed the url wrong. Well that's just not the case but I did have one site that was no longer in use so that's why they rejected me. Never mind the sites I still have going and which have been showing a lot of success.

    Another of the merchants responded back saying she would compare advertising on my sites with placing flyers on car windows at the mall.

    I responded back truthfully that I am the webmaster for 3 local highschools and 9 grade schools.


    Oh now an update has occured

    Joemuscle deserves my credit and will be removed from the moron list.

    They replied back nicely and asked what website I would advertise them on, saying they would approve my application.

    [This message was edited by Heyder on January 13, 2003 at 12:38 PM.]

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    it all gets down to the affiliate programs are only as good as the merchants themselves. Some have they act straight, and some just have no clue.

    (man, i love these new smilies heheheh)

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    Another of the merchants responded back saying she would compare advertising on my sites with placing flyers on car windows at the mall.
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    ( falls off chair, gags on hot cappucino )

    Jeeze, warn me when you're gonna do that, LOL.

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