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    Affiliate Manager Decorative Ceiling Tiles's Avatar
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    What the hell :-(
    Hi,

    I will not express my opinions but would like to hear from you.

    As I am checking things I come across my old blog post and checkout the link under "ceiling tiles used"

    Ceiling Tiles « Decorative Ceiling Tiles Inc's Blog


    How is this called?

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    A 404? You were working too late?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2busy View Post
    A 404? You were working too late?
    I have not touched this blog for a while, but did notice some affiliate traffic from there.

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    The affiliate link is only working from IE

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    http://www.shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=22...og%2Fi122.html

    The link is not showing what is showed a minute ago. Here is a refferal link grabbed from my live chat.
    Last edited by Decorative Ceiling Tiles; June 17th, 2011 at 05:52 PM.

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    Somehow this link was on my old blog and it has just changed to a normal link after few clicks.

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    Wordpress.com does not permit affiliate inks, they may be monetizing your old content.

    The link you posted shows:
    Shareasale.com (SAS)
    b=221041(Banner/Link ID)
    &u=314### (Affiliate ID)
    &m=26500 (You)
    &afftrack=skim725X571173X93c02cc9bcdb5bfb86827b9cc39ae22d (Affiliate tracking ID)
    &urllink=www.decorativeceilingtiles.net%2Fcatalog%2Fi122.html (Landing page)

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    That is interesting. I looked up the affiliate and I have noticed the before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2busy View Post
    Wordpress.com does not permit affiliate inks, they may be monetizing your old content.

    The link you posted shows:
    Shareasale.com (SAS)
    b=221041(Banner/Link ID)
    &u=314### (Affiliate ID)
    &m=26500 (You)
    &afftrack=skim725X571173X93c02cc9bcdb5bfb86827b9cc39ae22d (Affiliate tracking ID)
    &urllink=www.decorativeceilingtiles.net%2Fcatalog%2Fi122.html (Landing page)
    From the "afftrack=skim ..." in that, I think it's someone using a service I've been hearing about called SkimLinks. Their website says you can submit a site to them, if it's approved you get a publisher ID (i.e. the "725X ..." part) -- and start earning a percentage of their affiliate earnings through some 16,000 or maybe 18,000 affiliate programs.

    I was looking at them because someone recommended them as an alternative to eBay Partners Network (EPN is one of their many affiliate programs you can put on your site if they approve it).

    I don't really understand how SkimLinks works and/or if they are fiddling with legitimate cookies -- or whether they're just some 3rd-party service similar to Popshops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2busy View Post
    Wordpress.com does not permit affiliate inks, they may be monetizing your old content.
    What does this mean as I have a number of WP sites containing affiliate links to drive visitors to merchant sites.

    Regards

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    Wordpress.com offers free hosting for WordPress sites as long as they are not commercial (no affiliate sites). This is very different from hosting a WordPress install on your own domain. No one can monetize your links on your own domain except you. Some newbie affiliates (and businesses too, apparently) don't bother to read the restrictions and build commercial sites on WordPress.com and wordpress is known to cash in on others' sites when this happens.

    Your WP sites hosted on your own domains are not involved with WP.com rules.

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    Thanks for the explanation, had a little bit of a panic for a moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2busy View Post
    Wordpress.com offers free hosting for WordPress sites as long as they are not commercial (no affiliate sites). This is very different from hosting a WordPress install on your own domain. No one can monetize your links on your own domain except you. Some newbie affiliates (and businesses too, apparently) don't bother to read the restrictions and build commercial sites on WordPress.com and wordpress is known to cash in on others' sites when this happens.

    Your WP sites hosted on your own domains are not involved with WP.com rules.
    From the information shown, it looks like Wordpress.com is using SkimLinks to monetize people's blog content. Both them and VigLinks have been recruiting forums and other content heavy sites to use their subaffiliate ... I mean "tools" to monetized entire sites.

    I haven't looked, it would seem it would need to be in the Wordpress.com TOS somewhere that they are making money on people's blog content.
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    From Free Blog Features on wordpress.com:
    Advertising

    To support the service we may occasionally show ads on your blog, however we do this very rarely. You can remove ads from your blog for a low yearly fee. We also have an option for high traffic blogs to show their own ads.
    and in their TOS: (at Terms of Service — WordPress.com)
    Advertisements. Automattic reserves the right to display advertisements on your blog unless you have purchased an Ad-free Upgrade or a VIP Services account.
    Keep in mind that this TOS refers only to sites free-hosted at wordpress.com, not WordPress.org code hosted on your own domain. The TOS is full of warnings about using it to build SEO links, adding 3rd party (affiliate) links or repurposed content, etc.

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    Not sure if SkimLinks is better than the other content linking companies, but I tend to get turned off by thinking I'm going to click a link and then an ad pops up.

    Relevant links to affiliate programs are alright, but usually the automated systems have trouble providing good links.

    Since these are all free sites, does that mean they have wordpress.com in the domain name? If so, I think Wordpress is threatening their reputation by using this type of advertising - unless the links and matches are really, really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2busy View Post
    From Free Blog Features on wordpress.com:


    and in their TOS: (at Terms of Service — WordPress.com)


    Keep in mind that this TOS refers only to sites free-hosted at wordpress.com, not WordPress.org code hosted on your own domain. The TOS is full of warnings about using it to build SEO links, adding 3rd party (affiliate) links or repurposed content, etc.
    There ya go. The same way VigLinks got into a system that placed their affiliate links on other people's blogs, SkimLinks is now monetizing free WordPress.com blog content without asking first.

    I'm sorry but both SkimLinks and Viglinks are and should be treated as subaffiliate networks and not as "tools". The affiliates do not apply to the merchants or the networks, they apply to Skimlinks and to VigLinks. So if I allow either of those companies to be an affiliate in a program we manage, and we decline someone, that person can go to those other companies and get approved. No direct relationship with the merchant.

    I will not partner with VigLinks with any of our merchants and since they purchased another affiliate company we have to go through and find them and removed them. We gave Skimlinks a trial with some of our sites and they are not producing much at all. They are being removed as we add to all our merchant terms that sub affiliate networks are not allowed in our programs.

    If we didn't approve you, you can't sell our stuff.

    Sorry of this took the thread off topic a bit... I don't like what these companies are on their way to doing.
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    How about short url? Tinyurl works fine on wordpress.com?

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    How about short url? Tinyurl works fine on wordpress.com?
    It does not matter what format you use, links is links and either they comply with the TOS or they don't. Wordpress.com is not intended for affiliates - unless you pay their fees they will use your content for their links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2busy View Post
    Some newbie affiliates (and businesses too, apparently) don't bother to read the restrictions and build commercial sites on WordPress.com and wordpress is known to cash in on others' sites when this happens.
    That would be me

    Good news is this is my old blog. Did you know that you can turn this off but have to pay about 20 per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OICUAM2 View Post
    Not sure if SkimLinks is better than the other content linking companies, but I tend to get turned off by thinking I'm going to click a link and then an ad pops up.

    Relevant links to affiliate programs are alright, but usually the automated systems have trouble providing good links.

    Since these are all free sites, does that mean they have wordpress.com in the domain name? If so, I think Wordpress is threatening their reputation by using this type of advertising - unless the links and matches are really, really good.
    Well, they are using my old blog and sending them to my site. I think they matched me well :-)

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    I think they matched me well :-)
    In this case it is not too bad. They are using your content to to send you traffic, and charging you for it. You should think about the implications of having affiliates that you have no affiliate relationship with promoting your products. In this case they are working with wordpress.com, but having skimlinks in your program can mean that they are also showing up on "Joe's porno" site, or "how to build bombs with ceiling tiles" site. These sites have not agreed to your terms. You have no control over where your links will show up.

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    I was thinking of getting rid of them in the past and they do have -3 score and send no traffic anyway.

    Would you advise me to drop them?

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    That is up to you. I just tell you what I know. You use what you know to make your business decisions, not what other people tell you. Your sense of what to do with your program seems to be working just fine.


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