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    Angry Not Worthy To Put Effort Joining Hotel Combined
    Hi, what i notice that first few month you join hotels combined program, your lead value will about 0.50 or more per lead, but once you have put all the effort they will reduce your lead value to less than .10 usd per lead. In addition, even for booking there is no additional income that you get. It is totally unethical and worthless to join in the first place. They will come up intelligent answer to make us stupid.
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    ...and a Pirate's heart. Convergence's Avatar
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    Most affiliates earn an average of between USD $0.50 and $1.00 per lead. The exact value of each lead depends on the type of user you send to us and the capacity of your traffic to generate bookings for our suppliers. Our model is performance based, the higher the quality of your visitors, the more you earn per lead.
    Welcome to the world of hotel lead gen...

    [EDIT] Don't see anything unethical here.
    Salty kisses, Sandy toes, and a Pirate's heart...

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    Have join them
    Have joined their program? What is the lead value you're getting the first month and now?

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    No, have not joined their program. Yes, do other forms of lead gen but not hotel reservations. Have our own travel reservation website - have found no need to join them.

    Just saying, in lead gen it's all about the quality of the leads...
    Salty kisses, Sandy toes, and a Pirate's heart...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgweb View Post
    Hi, what i notice that first few month you join hotels combined program, your lead value will about 0.50 or more per lead, but once you have put all the effort they will reduce your lead value to less than .10 usd per lead. In addition, even for booking there is no additional income that you get. It is totally unethical and worthless to join in the first place. They will come up intelligent answer to make us stupid.
    Wow, that's ridiculous. Thanks for the warning, I haven't joined the program, and definitely don't think I will be now.

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    Hi,

    I am an account manager working for HotelsCombined.com, and wanted to explain what exactly occurred with your lead values. Upon initially joining the affiliate program, you are paid an average per lead value, which is varies from USD $0.50 - $1.

    After several weeks we usually have enough data to more accurately determine lead value. At this stage, our algorithm can analyze the data and provide an accurate remuneration value based upon your traffic quality. There are multiple factors considered within this algorithm, but the primary factor is lead to booking conversion rates. An allocated lead value of USD $0.10 indicates that conversion of leads to bookings is quite low, and that is the reason for the drop you saw.

    We are always available to help our affiliate partners improve their performance by offering advice on marketing and advertising strategies, as well as provide technical support as required. Feel free to touch base, and make the most of our affiliate program. You can contact us at any time on affiliate@hotelscombined.com and we’ll get back to you within 24 hours

    Thank you

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    Jordan do you send a notice to your affiliates when their lead rates change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan@hotelscombined.com View Post
    Upon initially joining the affiliate program, you are paid an average per lead value, which is varies from USD $0.50 - $1.

    After several weeks we usually have enough data to more accurately determine lead value. At this stage, our algorithm can analyze the data and provide an accurate remuneration value based upon your traffic quality. There are multiple factors considered within this algorithm, but the primary factor is lead to booking conversion rates. An allocated lead value of USD $0.10 indicates that conversion of leads to bookings is quite low, and that is the reason for the drop you saw.
    Jordan, a wise affiliate once said "the more complex a compensation plan, the more likely affiliates will get screwed". Frankly I haven't seen a reason for any affiliate with more than 2 active brain cells to touch a program with a variable rate commission, especially when they have zero insight as to the "multiple factors" in your algorithm. What is it about your program that would differentiate it from the programs that should be avoided?

    I'm also really curious as to the amount of profit you receive on a booking; that you don't share with affiliates, as opposed the amount of exposure you have on leads; which affiliates bare the brunt of.

    -rematt
    Last edited by rematt; October 9th, 2011 at 10:28 PM. Reason: Clarity, continuity and just plain readability. K?
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    Chuck Hamrick,

    Due to the size of our affiliate network it is not feasible to inform each individual affiliate when their lead value changes, as this is happening all the time, across all our partner accounts. Our algorithm continuously updates lead values according to the performance of the visitors for each affiliate profile. This is reflected instantly in each affiliate’s statistics, which are accessible 24/7 through our affiliate portal.

    Rematt

    We are very open as to which factors influence the lead values and constantly work with all affiliates to help with best practices and drive the quality of their traffic up, thereby helping to increase their lead values. I completely respect your personal scepticism about this type of remuneration scheme, but since we have thousands of active affiliates, many of whom are very happy with our program, I can only assume that it works for some.

    I don’t know which specific programs you refer to that should be avoided, but to answer your questions about how we differentiate ours: we have the best quality hotel content, offer a variety of implementation and integration options and due to the fact that we pay per lead – a unique and generous remuneration strategy. There are plenty of affiliate testimonials that say so.

    I cannot for obvious reasons reveals how much we earn per booking, but the simple fact is that we pay affiliates for leads that don’t even result in bookings, assuming that a portion will end up converting to sales. I don’t know of any other CPL program in travel that does that. In addition, since we pay per lead, affiliates don’t need to wait for booking check out or for hotel to pay commission months down the road, they get paid sooner. So affiliates don’t “bear the brunt” of anything, they in fact get paid for driving quality traffic.

    I hope this all makes sense, thank you

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    The Seal of Aproval rematt's Avatar
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    Jordan you have a lead gen program and by it's very nature it should pay solely on a pre-defined measurement of a leads quality.

    From Wikipedia®:

    Online Lead Generation is a marketing term that refers to the creation or generation of prospective consumer interest or inquiry into a business' products or services online. Leads can be generated for a variety of purposes - list building, e-newsletter list acquisition, building out reward programs, loyalty programs or for other member acquisition programs.

    A lead usually is the contact information and in some cases, demographic information of a customer who is interested in a specific product/service. There are two types of leads in the lead generation market: sales leads and marketing leads.

    Sales leads are generated on the basis of demographic criteria such as FICO score, income, age, HHI, etc. These leads are resold to multiple advertisers. Sales leads are typically followed up through phone calls by the sales force. Sales leads are commonly found in the mortgage, insurance and finance leads.

    Marketing leads are brand-specific leads generated for a unique advertiser offer. In direct contrast to sales leads, marketing leads are sold only once. Because transparency is a necessary requisite for generating marketing leads, marketing lead campaigns can be optimized by mapping leads to their sources
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    If conversion is a factor of quality then you no longer have a lead generation program, you have a pay per sale program and should be paying considerably more commission then your current plan. The fact that you apply an unknown "algorithm" to determine a leads quality can ONLY result in affiliates making even less money.

    And I'm sorry, but "thousands" of satisfied affiliates means absolutely nothing in this context (even though I would like to hear one or two of them speak up (100 posts or more please)), there are in fact millions of satisfied crack users, I don't necessarily consider their drug use as an endorsement either. Mass idiocy is not validation.

    My recommendation (for what it's worth) to any affiliate considering promoting Hotel Combined would be to shine it on and look for similar programs that are more affiliate friendly.

    JMHO.

    -rematt
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    Rematt

    Your thoughts and opinions have been noted, Thank you for your valuable feedback.

    Have a nice day and all the best

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    I was a Hotels Combined Affiliate since May and wanted to give an honest Hotels Combined Affiliate Program Review. I have been a travel agent for many years and did a tremendous amount of research on them and found that lots of people on forums were calling it the "Hotels Combined Scam". In fact, I didn't find many positive reviews at all other than generic ones that were similar to what I thought at first when joining - which was: "This is great! I made it to my first threshold and got paid with no problem. I think I'm going to like the pay per lead aspect of this program."

    Needless to say I was super excited to be a part of the Hotels Combined Affiliates Team. Unfortunately, this was not the long term positive outcome I had hoped for.

    Let me explain. I have a highly targeted niche hotel site and sent Hotels Combined extremely targeted leads. It was a new site and it took about 70 days for it to rise to #2 on Google. Finally I was just beginning to reap the benefits of the organic traffic I had targeted. My mistake was that I had "assumed" by signing on as an Affiliate with Hotels Combined that the revenue earned would be at the very least just a few cents when no bookings occurred and the more bookings your leads generated - the more pay per lead I would earn. It is a "Pay per Lead" program, right? What a bummer that this is not the way they work even though their marketing strategy allows for you to think it. My bad.

    My misconception: When a certain amount of time goes by that your leads don’t generate a booking they set your earnings to $0 per lead. The unethical part of it is they do this just before you reach your threshold so you end up not getting paid for all the time spent generating those leads. My experience was that just before I reached my 2nd threshold for payment they stopped paying me for the leads due to "not enough bookings". Another frustration is the stats page shows you no booking conversion percentage to keep track of. So there is nothing prompting you if in fact your booking conversion is low. They gave no warning with the exception of an email stating that my pay per lead earnings are now being set to $0 due to the leads not booking hotel stays. "Wait a minute", I thought. Wasn't this supposed to be a "Pay per Lead" type of affiliate program?? I mean, that was what drew me and so many others to the program, right? Man, did I feel duped.

    Trust me, I understand that conversion is important because I've worked as a travel agent for the past 10 years. I would have even understood them allowing me to at least reach my threshold and then cutting it off due to no sales but $20 shy of reaching my threshold? After months of working to target every single hotel on my website to generate leads for the Hotels Combined Affiliate Program?? Boy, I could kick myself. Read the fine print, my friends.

    My Hotels Combined Affiliate Review is pretty simple. If you are looking for a long term Pay per Lead relationship with the Affiliate Program Hotels Combined has to offer, they are not the ones to go with unless you truly have thousands of targeted visitors because we all know travel sales is a numbers game. You have to actually have the numbers in order to get the bookings and at the end of the day Hotels Combined only wants to pay you for leads IF those leads turn into actual bookings. So, disappointingly, this is not the Pay per Lead program so many think it is and that they advertise for you to "think" you are signing up with.

    My advice to the Hotels Combined Affiliate Program? I sincerely understand your need for conversion but Pay per Lead is Pay per Lead and Pay for Bookings is simply... Pay for Bookings. You know deep down that people like myself are drawn to your Affiliate Program thinking it's Pay per Lead, no matter the fine print. Otherwise, you would show booking conversion stats so your partners would know from the beginning that is truly what you are willing to pay them for. Suggestion: You should change your fine print to big print so that suckers like me would read: "The Hotels Combined Affiliate Program will only pay you for leads up until a certain point. If your leads do not turn into bookings then you will not be able to cash out. We do thank you for your efforts in bringing those leads to us, though.”

    Lastly: “Kudos to a GREAT strategy on that fine print, though.” Although unethical, the affiliates that are scammed into it can actually advertise for the company for a few months. When they realize they will not get paid for every lead brought to the table the affiliates will naturally quit. What happens to all those leads, leads that may even come back to book within that 365 cookie? Well, you guessed it. A percentage of those leads will definitely come back because they now know Hotels Combined exists yet Hotels Combined won’t have to pay for the advertising because the affiliate that created that lead/booking is gone. I give them an A+ for their marketing efforts.

    So there you have it: My review of the Hotels Combined Affiliate Program.

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    hotels combined is a scam
    Hotels Combined is a scam and the bad hotels affiliate. I tried it , fisrt month i had good revenue with good lead value, after the first month lead value where about 0,03 $ !!! than they suspended my account one week before the next payment and so they missed to pay me 120 $. Than i moved to booking dot com affiliate that i was using before of hotels combined and i started to have reservations, when hotels combined said that i had few reservations! last month on booking i had 47 reservations!...so take care , you lose time with hotels combined and remeber to change all your links if you are moving on other affiliate program otherwise they will gain from your links!!!

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