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    When will Revenews or even cashpile decide to take on scamming merchants who hide under the BeFree rock?? Are they afraid of offending someone like BeFree who harbor these non-producing wanks??

    Sample during prime selling season ..PC CONNECTION:
    Sales summary shows you guys are not recording sales:
    Revenue (Summary)
    EcomCity.com -worlds most complete shopping community
    From 09/12/2001 To 11/18/2001
    Affiliate Site # Shipments Shipped Sales # Returns Returned Sales Net Sales Site Revenue
    EcomCity -worlds most complete shopping community 2 $93.90 1 $24.95 $68.95 $0.69
    Total 2 $93.90 1 $24.95 $68.95 3 months total revenue $0.69

    Traffic report for same period:
    EcomCity -worlds most complete shopping community
    From 09/12/2001 To 11/18/2001
    Affiliate Site Transaction Day Transaction Date Impressions Click Throughs Click to Impression %
    EcomCity -worlds most complete shopping community Wednesday 09/12/2001 1,116 15 1.34%
    Thursday 09/13/2001 1,001 27 2.70%
    Friday 09/14/2001 994 8 .80%
    Saturday 09/15/2001 921 53 5.75%
    Sunday 09/16/2001 941 14 1.49%
    Monday 09/17/2001 1,165 13 1.12%
    Tuesday 09/18/2001 1,576 28 1.78%
    Wednesday 09/19/2001 1,539 19 1.23%
    Thursday 09/20/2001 1,306 25 1.91%
    Friday 09/21/2001 1,257 17 1.35%
    Saturday 09/22/2001 1,103 14 1.27%
    Sunday 09/23/2001 1,136 20 1.76%
    Monday 09/24/2001 1,367 12 .88%
    Tuesday 09/25/2001 1,545 25 1.62%
    Wednesday 09/26/2001 1,778 20 1.12%
    Thursday 09/27/2001 1,901 26 1.37%
    Friday 09/28/2001 1,500 20 1.33%
    Saturday 09/29/2001 1,017 19 1.87%
    Sunday 09/30/2001 1,177 34 2.89%
    Monday 10/01/2001 1,801 120 6.66%
    Tuesday 10/02/2001 1,772 155 8.75%
    Wednesday 10/03/2001 1,753 31 1.77%
    Thursday 10/04/2001 1,644 29 1.76%
    Friday 10/05/2001 1,509 15 .99%
    Saturday 10/06/2001 1,323 16 1.21%
    Sunday 10/07/2001 1,113 9 .81%
    Monday 10/08/2001 1,626 27 1.66%
    Tuesday 10/09/2001 1,349 29 2.15%
    Wednesday 10/10/2001 1,841 23 1.25%
    Thursday 10/11/2001 1,575 17 1.08%
    Friday 10/12/2001 1,437 14 .97%
    Saturday 10/13/2001 1,307 23 1.76%
    Sunday 10/14/2001 1,325 37 2.79%
    Monday 10/15/2001 2,051 31 1.51%
    Tuesday 10/16/2001 1,699 22 1.29%
    Wednesday 10/17/2001 1,867 26 1.39%
    Thursday 10/18/2001 1,822 28 1.54%
    Friday 10/19/2001 1,665 32 1.92%
    Saturday 10/20/2001 1,250 28 2.24%
    Sunday 10/21/2001 1,482 23 1.55%
    Monday 10/22/2001 1,853 43 2.32%
    Tuesday 10/23/2001 1,799 29 1.61%
    Wednesday 10/24/2001 1,670 22 1.32%
    Thursday 10/25/2001 1,596 32 2.01%
    Friday 10/26/2001 1,718 26 1.51%
    Saturday 10/27/2001 1,255 36 2.87%
    Sunday 10/28/2001 1,368 29 2.12%
    Monday 10/29/2001 1,394 35 2.51%
    Tuesday 10/30/2001 1,434 20 1.39%
    Wednesday 10/31/2001 1,593 24 1.51%
    Thursday 11/01/2001 1,579 23 1.46%
    Friday 11/02/2001 1,249 23 1.84%
    Saturday 11/03/2001 1,207 15 1.24%
    Sunday 11/04/2001 1,277 17 1.33%
    Monday 11/05/2001 1,724 42 2.44%
    Tuesday 11/06/2001 1,534 27 1.76%
    Wednesday 11/07/2001 1,655 20 1.21%
    Thursday 11/08/2001 1,493 20 1.34%
    Friday 11/09/2001 1,574 20 1.27%
    Saturday 11/10/2001 1,118 9 .81%
    Sunday 11/11/2001 1,262 25 1.98%
    Monday 11/12/2001 1,784 22 1.23%
    Tuesday 11/13/2001 1,777 87 4.90%
    Wednesday 11/14/2001 1,677 27 1.61%
    Thursday 11/15/2001 1,696 27 1.59%
    Friday 11/16/2001 1,554 27 1.74%
    Saturday 11/17/2001 1,010 36 3.56%
    Sunday 11/18/2001 1,341 32 2.39%
    Subtotal 99,742 1,939 1.94%
    Total impressions 99,742 1,9click throughs 39 ratio 1.94%


    Impossible to understand how this targeted traffic to main pages and individual products produced 2 minor sales at a $2.3 Billion Dollar/yr. computer products distributor who claims online sales of 3.5 million per week...yte produces squatt for affiliates

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    I'm using a number of merchants on reporting.net now that are showing similar stats. Everything was fine until just a few weeks ago, and then sales practically stopped cold.

    Non-befree programs are showing the expected pre-holiday season surge. But not a single befree merchant shows a similar sales increase.

    I don't know if there is a delay in reporting or if tracking is completely messed up.

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    WebMaster Mike,

    Welcome! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/welcome.gif>

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>When will Revenews or even cashpile decide to take on scamming merchants who hide under the BeFree rock?? Are they afraid of offending someone like BeFree who harbor these non-producing wanks??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    We will also include Befree and Snare merchants in our Merchant watch program. We will take them all on ... We won't bend to anyone!

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    Looks like the only producers for me at BeFree are Overstock -TigerDirect and Computer Geeks. I've pretty much have given up communicatinng with any of the others short of scaring them into recording sales. None seem to answer e-mails and we all know BF hides out in a Taleban cave and only understands morse code. The merchants there and at Linkshare sure can pile on the Holiday promos to the affiliates wanting prime web space. Dell even has promised to pay all affiliates earning revenue,regardless of minimums, at end of December...Ha Ha! They haven't even paid the BF bill due on 10/1. Sure hope you guys didn't count on LS or BF from your personal Christmas Club this year since I haven't uncovered the star performers.

    CJ has seemed to take off after a slow start this month and I'll see a nice 412.26 since very few reversals came through. After the 1st of the year I'll drop most of the LS and BF merchants who aren't close to minimums or show sales this quarter. I've been stuck near minimums on Pc Connections, IBM and MicroWarehouse for months and sure wish I had that traffic directed to honest closers.

    [ 11-20-2001: Message edited by: EcomCity.com ]

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    New Year's Prediction for Y-2002:

    Seeing that the SE PPC keyword sites like Overture and FindWhat have purged their listings of affiliate run doorway pages and now cater to the rich overbidding merchants ...the super and high traffic affiliates incomes drop.

    Dismal results for affiliates during the Chrismas holiday sales rush creates a mass exodise from BeFree and Linkshare merchants causing them to drop their programs, since they can no longer recruit or hold onto affiliate base. The network fees for the actual ( not inflated traffic) no longer fuels their coffers since network impressions drop and merchants balk at paying out commissions. They turn to spamming and scumware vendors for eyeballs as they wait out the demise of BF and LS to get out of exclusivity contracts.

    The PPC new networks get worked over big time by the kiddie scripters and phony merchants and start folding without payment. Results are like fist part of Y-2001 with PR spin on "trust/payment" issues from network owners.

    CJ raises entry fees for new merchants and tries to weed out the under performing EPC wanks who no longer can revise their program under a new account...without major penilities and higher escrow balances. They do not need 2000 merchants and have to make room for the ones with budgets coming over from LS and BF. Affiliates get poor results from these majors during the NEW period due to not knowing their EPC is squatt. The majors could care less during the low cost first 4 months and claim they will do better...Hardy Har har.

    Linkshare files for chapter 11 in March and the VC boys pull the rug out from under BeFree who now tries to sell off or license their ASP software to major portals who used to be super affiliates.

    Congress passed strong privacy legislation with penalities for spammers and scumware tactics. A watchdog whistle blower site gets setup where a spamm e-mail can be forwarded too to get at the culprets(s) and publish advertiser/merchant abusers. Hosting services providing web base e-mail accounts like Hotmail -Yahoo -Excite reduire ID verification before issuing new accounts or re-activating old accounts.

    Pay per performance advertising comes of age with real conversion reports and a PPC traffic bonus for impression/click to those who get high traffic count. This spells the end of MASS affiliate recruiting since only those with domain accounts with pre-sell content get the bonus offer.

    I continue my campaign to convince the surviving network(s) and merchants that affiliate marketing is parallel to the VAR (value added reseller) structure in the computer products industry...real revenue has to flow to affiliates for their efforts, not promises, as the glut of Ad space continues to plague the online Ad industry.

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    Concerning the predictions:

    First, I must clarify--FindWhat hasn't joined OverSure in its folly, at least not yet.

    "Dismal" results? Not for ME...but then I don't have LS and BF programs on!

    Your prediction of results like the first part of last year would be GOOD for me! Until June, things were cookin' with gas, with just the expected (by me, anyway) summer dropoff as bad news. I'm quite looking forward to the Spring Run happening again!!!!

    LS was supposed to declare bankruptcy last year, but somebody saved their sorry butts with an investment. Hopefully they won't this time.

    Sorry, but any merchant would be absolutely insane to turn down sales just for coming from a Free-hosted site. A sale is a sale!!!

    Mass recruiting can continue just fine, even if lesser performers don't get the bonus. The lesser performers will sign up in the hopes that they will become great! And everybody had to start somewhere, so this is perfectly reasonable behavior. It'd also be unintelligent for merchants to deny these little guys. Like I said, everybody has to start somewhere! Every big site was once one or two dudes with the cheapo basic hosting package (or even a free host) and no traffic!

    As for those Congressional predictions, I predict that pigs will fly before Congress ignores the big Direct Marketing Lobby. Which I think is Good. It's none of their freaking business whether I use a real name to sign up for Hotmail or not, period!!! Congress should NOT be able to legislate it. It's an invasion of privacy, and the CROOKS will just ignore that law and use fake ID anyway.

    As for Hotmail et al requiring ID "on their own", yah right, but if they want to see what 10,000,000 people all cancelling at once looks like, they could try that...

    MY PREDICTIONS:

    A lot of hot air will blow about privacy as always, but except for some possible lawsuits (NOT legislation--Congress probably couldn't care less) against scumware, it'll stay Business as Usual.

    I'd give Snare another year to burn through that investment (2003). After that, it'll depend on market conditions. If investors are plentiful, they may continue to survive further on. If not...

    BeFree--No predictions.

    CJ--Sudden change of some sort predicted for January or February. I have no idea what, or if it'll be any good, but they seem to change things somehow every year...I remember posts about a "CJ 4.0" and one even mentioned a "3.0" so it stands to reason that something is going to be changed again. I would suggest (Hey CJ, if you're reading this) biweekly payments, as Heyder mentioned in another thread. That'd be kick-@ss. And BRING BACK THE 45-DAY MINIMUM COOKIE! How about a MINIMUM 10% COMMISSION? Minor changes like being able to set the defaults ourselves for things like: Number of links/transactions/advertisers displayed in results, order of display for advertisers, links, and transactions, etc. would also be nice...

    CPM rates will continue to suck as long as webmasters keep making more new pages than there are ads for.

    I think Cost-per-Sale will continue to Rule. Even with Leads, what qualifies as a "lead" right now is more like a Sale. Credit cards, loans, insurance quotes--all of these have the customer spending money as their end objective (for loans, it's in the paying back, of course). Leads designed to get mere eyeballs will continue to disappear as CPM rates keep sucking.

    Even more high-traffic, CPM model wastes of bandwidth will die a horrible death. Contest sites are at particular risk.

    At least one big contest site will probably get busted or subjected to major investigation for not paying out awards. It's been a long time coming...I'm sure they're not ALL legit!

    Enough predictions for now...

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    I agree with you on several points Leader, but feel that the patience of affiliates burned in Y-2000 & 2001 will cause a exodise of those newbees who made squatt on their efforts. CJ can be applauded for throwing down the gauntlet in Y-2001 over merchant abuse and network performance transparancy. Not enough newbee web publishers will come on board to keep the networks all humming on the old bizplan.

    The new "informed networks" automatically have funding problems and are over burdened with wank merchants and sceamers with little startup budgets. Incentive marketing from the copy cat's of CyberRebates -will fall off the map as wary consumers got burned by rebates -giftcertificates -Freebees ( scumware trojans) and Lotto type programs. Instant gratification rules so only an upfront low price will entice sales.

    CJ's moves will be again around cleaning house on shoddy EPC non-paying merchants. Flack over the volume of discontinued ..then renewed programs..will force higher re-enlistment fees/escrows as they take the premier network spotlight from BF and LS.

    The war on terrorism places a new mindset on Congress who WILL pass strong privacy requirements and ala eBay and Paypal the free e-mail providers will have to verify somehow the identies of account holders as the spamm cops first line of defense. Gov't no longer asks permission and the CIA/FBI want this to track terrorist e-mail addresses. Spamm elimination is just the carrot.

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    LS and BF merchants are seriously lagging as the Christmas surge is evident in Amazon reports and a limited number of individual merchants on the networks.

    Leader, have you considered that the stellar CJ results as compared with ecom's LS and BF reports are due to differences in types of products, and not the network? I doubt you did.

    CJ will obviously continue adopting LS and BF tactics, cost cutting, and distancing itself from affiliates who remember when it really distinguished itself from the LSes and BFs of the world.

    More specific predictions:
    1. CJ realtime reporting will be a thing of the past.
    2. An independent party will offer affiliates a service to check up on merchant tracking.

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    "Leader, have you considered that the stellar CJ results as compared with ecom's LS and BF reports are due to differences in types of products, and not the network~jimbo"

    Well, when I think of the products off the top of my head, the closest comparison is between two merchants with the same product only in different price ranges.

    As could be expected, I sold more cheaper ones (CJ). The higher-priced item (LS) also had less of a commission, so this wasn't made up for by that. The commissions ended up about the same, but the volume of the cheaper item's sales made it the winner of the Bottom Line. But the fact that I could do more sales with an Unknown at CJ while it took a big name at LS should also be factored in. As in, the big name wasn't a help--the unknown still sold more. So the expected Known Name Effect didn't pan out, at least not enough to make up fully for their higher prices. Of course the fact that I got PAID by CJ also counts!

    I think your prediction that CJ will mutate horribly into BF and LS is not only NOT "obvious", but WRONG as well. If something seems obvious, 99.9% of the time it's because the person claiming it's so "obvious" is not looking properly. For instance, the world is "obviously" flat from the perspective of one looking from ground level.

    Nonetheless, I agree with your prediction #2--mainly because Haiko's been putting it all over these boards that he's setting up a program to do just that! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Sorry folks, but I foresee a bit of a different outcome. Mine however is based upon speaking to many of the minute percentage of affiliates out there who actually make a good living in the affiliate marketing space ($30K and up per month).

    Their private deals with LinkShare merchants are still leading the pack (and frankly, by a dramatic margin). I would suggest you make some phone calls and see if you can't find out if this is a true statement - I assure you it is.

    And, to further make myself a LinkShare advocate, they are also the only one of the big-three to actually show profits - so foretelling of them filing Chapter 11 is just more Webmaster Mike hype!

    Obstinatedon

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    Another prediction is that sometime in 2002 Leader will actually have something negative to say about CJ.

    (this is as much a warning as a prediction, because such action on Leader's part could stun regular readers of these boards to the point of needing medical attention)

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    Happy Thanksgiving Obstinatedon and the rest of this crew. I'm sure your observations are correct but no one on this board or the others out their are the ones getting those private deal LS phone calls. I'm sure their intended audience has BF on hold as they discuss the deal. These predictions are based upon the fact that regardless of the network volume alocated to these chosen few "super affiliates" they in no way total the combined traffic of the regular guys like us. My 27 million impressions on the 3 networks last year was peanuts ..so was my income.

    LS and BF will become exclusive service bureaus for the super affiliates and only those merchants who have huge advertising budgets. I'll bet the super affiliates are dropping like flies as the PPC keyword bidding and incent deals make profits disappear. They will be left with merchants who take 600-800 clicks to close one sale. Their only advantage is their former ability to generate millions of eyeballs to waste on merchants who don't close/report better than one sale per 100 clicks. Some of my clients averaged over a 2 year span 1 sale per every 15 clickthroughs ..regardless of source.

    You still don't get the mandate. Advertising has nothing to do with performance marketing which needs to be budgeted and managed under the sales departments. That is the root of all the evils put upon the lowly mass affiliate ..programs run as advertising expenses. It worked during the days of free flowing VC capital as a Cyber landgrab measured in visitors.

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    Webmaster Mike,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Their only advantage is their former ability to generate millions of eyeballs to waste on merchants who don't close/report better than one sale per 100 clicks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    and

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You still don't get the mandate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Oh yes I do .... and I'm on IT! Trust ME!

    Haiko
    PS Happy Thanksgiving!

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    Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of
    merchants?

    Actually, both Mike and Don are right. If you have a big enough mailing list or site traffic you will be able to do real well as the number of merchants bidding for your eyeballs will increase as the number of affiliates drop and the likes of Snare and BF
    slowly go off into the sunset.

    However, if you are an average size player you will be hard pressed to make more than chump change.

    What to do? What to do? Cried Chicken Little
    when contemplating crossing the road.

    The only solution is a new hybrid model of 1 cent per click against commissions or a CPM based search set up.

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    Ahh, Professor - your post almost hits the mark. The majority of so-called "super affiliates" are in actuality businesses that do hybrid deals. Further, they have the wherewithal to make larger commissions based upon those selfsame eyeballs as you so eloquently put it.

    Mike, a very happy Thanksgiving to you as well. Should one wish to speak of providers who have a high probablility of not tracking sales, he/she would only have to look at the single provider that appears to be down most often. Leader could probably tell you which provider that would be except for the fact that she is determined not to take advantage of a couple of the larger ones.

    Do any of you really believe that all of your sales were tracked at CJ over the last couple days?

    Obstinatedon

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    A good question. Rather than worry myself excessively I have a plan:- any day I suspect CJ tracking to be not working gets spent replacing CJ links with Amazon ones and adding in new Amazon links I hadn't thought of. (I've done better with Amazon than CJ this week).

    On any day when CJ links seem to be tracking, none get replaced. There is no point in having a decent cookie duration on a sale that didn't track and my sales currently do not. I'm down 90% per day at the moment.

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    Happy Turkey day to all of you and I'll toast this affiliate industry with a wish that it survives and prospers in Y2002. Every site owner who seeks monitizing their traffic to offset costs and even make some bucks wants this to work. Let's hope the merchant/network mindset realizes soon that a healthy affiliate community thrives on commissions in the mailbox. If only the CHOSEN few get those checks then more time is spent on these boards complaining rather then productively making needed site changes ( pre-sell activities) to increase the check sizes. My sites are general old fashioned static page CyberMalls with offerings from the merchants on all 3 major networks in each of 75 shopping categories. The stats point me to look into sites that actually close targeted traffic with consistant sales activities. This allows me to see for my e-commerce web site building clients ..what works as to e-catalog design and site layouts.

    Niche' e-tailers always close better ( click/sales) than even the name brand mass merchandizers like WalMart or Buy.com. People clicking on a banner or SE link to www.suspenders.com are expecting to get info or purchase suspenders. Result with an honest merchant is that they sell one in every 15 visitors regardless of referral source. Their affiliate links when they were on CJ ( removed before EPC because they got buried amongst 1800 merchants with just a few performing affiliates) and at MSN's Clicktrade showed over 2 years that all active affiliates with pre-sell efforts converted 1 in every 10 clicks to sales. MSN couldn't recruit squatt in viable affiliates. CJ scared them off with rate increase announcements early 2001, did get them over 4100 affiliates, but only 52 of them were active.

    They had no way to reach out through CJ and entice the larger players to join them. As webmaster I informed CJ in March they had to radically change their approach on publishing results of good honest merchants like Holdup Suspenders and clean house on the scammers and poor performers and PPC abusers. Net result is this company is content to get 500-600 unique visitors per day from SE lookups, Yahoo Storefront, referrals and bookmarks til CJ cleans up their act and showcases best performing merchants in every category.

    Affiliate marketing is driven like ObstinateDon says by active merchant affiliate managers enticing super affiliates and high traffic dedicated webmasters. The problem is that these same managers all work under their companies advertising departments...not sales. Therefore they have no responsiblity to affiliates or their companies to show sales results ..just traffic increases. Only the sales divisions have a weekly/monthly quota to reach and heads will roll if those figures aren't met. Advertising has no pressure to produce real measurable results ...just traffic stats and e-mail/direct mail campaigns that are not tagged to affiliate commissions. Til this changes and affiliate programs are held accountable for sales as a viable secondary channel ..the abuses like diversion -branding -turning off sales tracking etc will continue. Only the big players will circumvent this with side deals that make up for poor tracking and sales ratio results.

    Now have a great Thanksgiving and hopeful Holiday sales boost.

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    Obsinatedon,

    YES, actually I do think tracking was great for me over the last couple of days! In fact, all last week has been wonderful, and is kicking the average off the board. It looks like this is going to be a great High Retail Season. I'd say things should cook right until the "too late to ship" notices start going up and am not going to worry about the CJ site being down at some time like 7AM when nobody is about to buy Sheet anyway.

    As for Jimbo's comment, to him I say Get Over It, I love CJ and your cracks are not going to change my mind. Right about the time this kind of anti-CJ commentary comes on, a fat deposit shows up instead of Promises, Promises and it's the bottom line that counts. Whether a place says it has even a 100% conversion ratio will not impress me if the $$$ doesn't show up, and when it's supposed to, too! Bills aren't paid with Maybe and Whenever.

    As for other networks, I do have Performics on and already I have read that they pay like molasses. Their Terms do say that it's a longer delay than CJ which is why I haven't hollered about it, unlike places that SAY they'll pay right up but are full of fertilizer. I haven't been running them long enough to have seen a check but so far the CR looks good so I should be finding out...

    Performics may not be one of the Big 3 but they don't seem to be too darned small-time either...

    Still, it's CJ's regular payment that keeps things paid for. Try telling your web host that you can't pay because you're a LinkShare and BeFree affiliate and they pay (MAYBE...) WHENEVER, and see just how long your site stays UP! And if you have to pay other bills with it, see how long your heat stays on, your phone stays connected, you're not evicted for lack of rent, your car doesn't get repossessed, etc. when you tell THOSE bills that you can't pay because you're a LinkShare and BeFree affiliate and they pay Whenever (when they pay at all)...

    ALWAYS blowing my whistle!

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    Hello Leader, and Happy Thanksgiving to you.

    Please don't misunderstand me. I fully believe that one can be a vocal advocate of whichever provider they wish, and can bring their idea of truth to the table. You are an outspoken CJ advocate, and that is not a bad thing in my opinion.

    That said, I believe it is fairly obvious that I am a believer in LS. I know people who make a substantial income as a direct result of working within the framework of that particular network. I also understand how folks, especially smaller affiliates (I happen to be one of those too), would look at past history as an indicator of future performance. Frankly, that is a shame.

    Obstinatedon

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    By the way Leader,

    I'm not anti-CJ. In fact I am a big advocate of CJ, just in a different way than you are.

    I think Lex and the gang of CJ lurkers welcome constructive critism, and they need to know that their army of affiliates is aware of what is happening and truly want CJ to be the success it is capable of being. If I didn't care I would just cash my check and not spend any time here.

    But then again, he dismantled the CJU boards, so maybe he is not interested in affiliate input.

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    Well the only check(s) to reach me this month as usual was the nice one from CJ a few minutes ago for $412.45. I've gotten 4 from BeFree since July ( reports show I'm due 356.00 from "pending payment" merchants)and only one from LS in Sept. ( LS reports show I have 584.00 from those paying through LS check cutting but only 112.00 of that is over minimum) I'll get back on this subject after Dec 15th since I know I'll have many hours in site revisions for BF and LS merchant specials hoping to see some convert.

    Meanwhile I need to take down some like Martha Stewart on 40 pages since they cease operations on Nov. 30th ...like they and thta "b**ch" can't afford Christmas commission bonuses.

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