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    look at this email i got from Passionup.com

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    From: Passionup.com
    Subject: $10,000 per month in Commissions!
    Date: 11/23/2001

    Message
    PassionUp introduces FreeSoftwareGift.com!!!

    Give your viewers a FREE SOFTWARE GIFT! You''ll earn an amazing $4.00 commission per completed sale.

    THAT''S A 53% COMMISSION ON THE FIRST CD-ROM!

    FreeSoftwareGift.com is the highest paying affiliate program that www.PassionUp.com uses--we earn over $10,000 per month from this program!

    Go to the Commission Junction''s new affiliate programs section at www.cj.com and join FreeSoftwareGift.com!

    Click here to register from the site: https://signup.cj.com/signup/branded...chantid=900739

    Get your links up today, and make some serious money this Christmas! You will not be disappointed--do not miss this great opportunity to earn $$$$!

    Kevin Lung
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    now look at their stats, zero per sale and 1 cent per lead

    Referred Sale N/A
    Referred Lead $0.01 (view trend)
    Cookie Duration: 1 days

    3 month EPC $1.17 (view trend)
    7 day EPC $0.01

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    Austin, Passion Up moved their e card affiliate program over to linksnare. I have been with them since they have had an affiliate program and have always done well with them and have always been paid. They have always paid above the rest of the programs in their field.

    I can't defend them on why they left their old program running. My guess would be that if they decided to come back they wouldn't have to pay the start up fee's again. I really don't know. They sent several emails reminding people that they moved their program over to Linkshare and to join the program there and change your links. What I will tell you is that if you think you can make some money on their new program I would advise you to join it because you will get paid for it. They are one of the few merchants that I trust. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif>

    [ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: Packy ]

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    No sense in defending them for screwing their CJ affiliates which make up the majority of their traffic. LS only adds a huge monthly bill to their bottom line and they still pay the CJ network fee to keep active. Makes no sense not to have the same payout on both networks if they are playing fair with affiliates. Look for them to go under after the trial period at LS.

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    Mike, If you read my post I said I am not sure why they still have the ecard program at CJ's. I'm not defending them just saying I have always been paid and tracking seems good. As for paying the same payout at both programs. They pay .12 cent at linkshare. It would cost them .12 cents at cj's plus Cj's .30 cent minimum for a total of 42 cents a lead. As for getting paid. They have always paid me.

    I find it hard to believe that they are paying 31 cents now at cj's. I think I will email this thread to them to see whats up.

    [ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: Packy ]

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    Here is a reply I received from Kevin.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Patrick,
    Our present Commission Junction card program pays 1 cent to the affiliates and 30 cents to Commission Junction. That''s a horrible ratio! We started a new card program at Linkshare.com that pays 12 cents to the affiliates and about 4 cents to Linkshare. That is much better ratio! As to our present Commission Junction affilates, we are encouraging them to move to our new Commission Junction program called FreeSoftwareGift.com This program pays $4.00 to the affiliate and $1.20 to Commission Junction. That''s a great payout! FreeSoftwareGift.com received over 1,000 new affiliate sign ups in the first week, and the top affiliate made over $500 in just three days. Our two new affiliate programs are designed to provide the best pay out ratio and pay the most money to our affiliates. Thank you for supporting these programs.
    Best Wishes,
    Kevin Lung
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    FreeSoftwareGift.com

    PS: You have my permission to post this on the discussion board.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    packy, i appeal to you not to take this pesonally but if you think a merchant that pays 1 cent per lead and has a 1 day cookie is a merchant that you can trust then i can see why people blame tracking for their woes

    even if you use their linksnare program that pays a whole 12 cents per lead you are probably better off using funnymail, at least they pay $1 per lead, either way you will not become an internet millionaire

    try and find a decent program that pays decent money per lead and has an EPC that shows that they actually convert, you will see an increase in your balance if you dump these loser programs, we are creatures of habit but sentiment doesn't pay the bills

    packy, please dont take what i said personally, often i read that people are not making money and when i find that they have been using these type of programs and it makes me think "that explains everything"

    to be honest with you i dont think that cj.com should have allowed passionup to start a new program, tod once said that the $250 minimum monthly fee for merchants is a starting point that merchants should build on, Passionup.com have been with cj for some considerable time now but have gone backwards

    i think that cj.com should introduce some sort of penalties for merchants that dont grow their network earnings, for example, increase their minimum monthly fee

    IMO: any hanger-on advertiser that pays less than $1 per lead should have to pay double the normal transaction fee

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>packy, i appeal to you not to take this pesonally <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Austin you farout, groovy dude. I will never take anything personally that you say. You are just trying to help and I am thankful for it, really.

    K, here it goes. My main site is my game site. That is where most of my income comes from believe it or not. I don't really complain about making money because I do make money. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif> Most of it from the games. I use the ecards to add a little extra income and offset some of the ppc advertisements. If you look at my main page which is the games page. Most of the leads there are .50 - $1.00. With games it's hard to find any that pay more than that yet alone find any game sites that pay anything period. As for the .12 cents a card, last month was just under $200.00 that I made from passion-up. Nothing to retire but give me about 30 merchants that I can make that much from a month and I'll be happy.

    The point I tried to make above is that when they dropped their payout to .01 cents they sent out a lot of emails to their affiliates telling them to join the new program at Linkshare. Not just one email, several to remind us that they moved. I do agree that they should just remove the penny payout program at CJs though however they are someone I trust and will until proven other wise.

    Now for the complaining part I do. First off, I learned from the best, Haiko. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif> Just joshing ya Haiko. When I send targed clicks to a merchant and see transactions steadily coming in whether a lot of them or a few that is fine. But when I increase targeted traffic and see a decline in transactions that is when it is time to question the reasons as to why the sudden drop in sales. Thats all I am asking is to be asssured that my sales are being tracked. There is no way that it can be done because this is all based on trust. I really do try to trust the merchants and third party's but it is getting harder to do and I'm not just talking CJ. All of the tracking is iffy to say the least.

    I admit that I am new to sales and still learning. Sales seem to be slowly increasing each month with all my programs combined. Thats why I will never take anything personally that is said to me Austin. I come to learn just like the rest of ya's. So when Sexy Lexy says sell, sell sell. I will do my best. All I ask is that he does his best to track, track, track. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon12.gif>

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    Austin,

    My 2 cents. I have been with Passion-up since they day they went live at CJ. When they started a program at LinkShare, I followed. We are talking about 2 seperate programs here. One at CJ, one at Linkshare. They have always paid and probably always will. They raised their commission at Linkshare last month to run at that rate at least through December. I can't blame them for keeping the program at CJ. From a business point of view it makes sense. They gave ample notice to their affiliates concerning setting up at Linkshare. But, the vast majority of webmasters just put up links and forget about them. So, in the long run, it's a cheap price to pay for the traffic from CJ from Webmasters too lazy to stay up to date. I've made thousands from Passion-up and I'll always defend them. It's not their fault CJ made the program undesireable on CJ's network. They're just taking advantage of a bad situation and the lacksidasical attitude of most Webmasters. Good Business people followed them to LinkShare.

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    Welcome to the real world of seudo opt-in email direct marketing. The old or new face on this ploy to get e-mail addresses and personal information into a database gets tiring. I have no direct experience with this advertiser ( obviously never was a merchant unless they sold offshore spamming server scripts) but as an internet surfer the enticement to get outdated FREE software titles in exchange to ( as in telemarketer) fill my e-mail box with all those same wank offers shown by die hard spammers doesn't fly. Mavis Bacon teaches typing ( ver 1.1 vintage 1994) doesn't entice me ..I refuse to learn. Now where's the conn artist scam lurking within this new CJ get rich program Freesoftwaregift.com No one can find out from the frontpage till after devulging their information and agreeing to e-mail box nirvana. My guess ( like hell I'd sign up) is they use the copy cat ploy of other Free CD wanks and ship each CD seperate for 4.95 handling charge. Their cost 5 cents plus 1.25 freight x the number of chosen Free CD's. Choose 5 and it's 25.00 for shipping and handling. Tell me I'm wrong..pleaseee. One thing I can say is if they paid more than 200.00 for the web design deal they got taken.

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    An additional penny...

    For What It's Worth. I didn't do the free software thingy.

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    Might as well sign up affiliates and promise 1.00 lead fee with MyfreeAOLcd.com program. Then send out the 5 million e-mail enticements for work at home -loans -credit cards -lotto chances along with all those unopened AOL CD's we have been using a drink holders for 5.00 shippingg and handling. That's FREE S/W too.

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    i'm so glad that you guys have found at least one merchant that you feel you can trust but are your stats the same with them since they have been using passionup to promote that other program? have you seen the popups that you are subjecting your customers/visitors to?

    the decent thing to do would have been to completely close their program at cj.com, although you guys followed them over many people obviously didnt or they would not think that paying the min $250 month would be worth while, i also wonder how many poor saps sign up with them at cj.com each week because they think thats the best they can do

    i am deeply disheartened with cj.com for allowing a financially backwards advertiser to open a new program, if there is anyone out there that is contemplating using their new program please sample the product yourself first because if its anything like a bookclub that i joined in the real world then your visitors will blame YOU for telling them it was a good thing
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