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    i'm wondering if this sounds fishy to anyone: i've sent 150 unique visitors to casino-on-net, of which 50 have downloaded their gambling software, yet, since i only get a comish when someone deposits money to open an account with the casino, i've received credit for only one player. i'm wondering why people would bother to download if the don't intend to use it. also, the first week i got credit for 3 players, at 100 dollars ea, only to have that "corrected" 3 days later. they said they were having technical difficulties. does this sound on the level? thanks in advance for help.

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    Do not bother with the casino scammers since the major credit card companies no longer recognize funding online gambling debts as legit transactions. They allow the loosers to challenge or cancel their CC charges to the casino operators. They now have to use spamm since even the major Ad brokers and legit opt-in e-mail marketers shy away from casino categories. The Feds want them closed down and the CC companies hate the bad PR and gambleholics going broke on them.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EcomCity.com:
    even the major Ad brokers and legit opt-in e-mail marketers shy away from casino categories.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Excuse me, Mr. Grumpy Duck, but BeFree/Valueclick just had a press release talking about how they are jacking up their casino advertising to new heights...and, errr, um, did I just prove or disprove your assertion about reputable companies?

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    Tyro,

    Those stats don't surprise me, although I have never ran casino ads. But almost all of the casino's have software that you can run and play for free just for fun or for money. Some of the software is very realistic to playing at a real casino, and I would suspect many people get the free download just for goofing around.

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    i'm wondering if this sounds fishy to anyone
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    Something not right - smells fishy too

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Excuse me, Mr. Grumpy Duck, but BeFree/Valueclick just had a press release talking about how they are jacking up their casino advertising to new heights...and, errr, um, did I just prove or disprove your assertion about reputable companies?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    BeFree/Valueclick jacking up their advertising proves nothing. BeFree might have a reputation but, I feel it is FAR from reputable.

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    Those "technical difficulty corrections" sound fishy to me!

    But as for people downloading the software without gambling real money, if it's possible for them to do that then it probably happens quite a bit.

    I had a good deal of fun playing craps with Monopoly Money on SandDollar (I think it was Sanddollar anyway...). I had always wondered how to play craps but didn't want to bet any real money finding out!!

    So I played with Monop. $$ until I had a good-enough grasp of the game to satisfy my curiosity, and once it was satisfied, never played again. I also did not gamble one *real* red cent. Although I both made and lost virtual fortunes...

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    thank you all for taking the time to weigh in on this. helpful, as always.

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    The reason I can see about the high rate of downloads & low rate of betting, is that the games offered by casinos are some of the best gambling software available.

    I like to play the games, but would never bet any money.
    Try it for yourself... download the software & compare it to some of the freely available shareware games.

    Mostly, the casino software will be the better product..
    If only they offered the trial membership for a limited time period.

    As for the 'technical corrections'. I think Leader said it best.

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    Grumpy Duck checking in. Starting last year this time online casino's was the #2 spender of online advertising dollars. No wonder they made BeFree/ValueClick's radar screen. Then something strange happened to pull the plug on this money pool. The Credit Card companies like MasterCard did refuse to fund the online casino looser accounts. Paypal and other casino account funding players followed suit leaving the casino operators with a real problem. The loosers could complain to their CC companies that the casino operators rigged the games and demand unchallenged their money back! They got their money back in most cases causing the online casino's to absorb huge losses. Now the casino industry no longer is anywhere near the #2 advertising position in dollars spent online for Ads. Spamm is the most widely used vehicle for enticing new affiliates and BeFree refuses to own up to their miserable payouts to their casino affiliates. Anyone here making the big money promised by these online casino operators???

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    Yes there is still casino revenue. No, you don't have to spam to make money in this area. I saw, (in person), Referback give away a $100,000 car of the affiliates choice for one of their contests a couple months ago. :rolleyes:

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    I have no doubt what you say is true. Did you see the date on the BeFree article? It was about a week ago. Which either means that the PR department is way behind or the company is a tad cluelsss.

    As for your observation that reputable companies are dumping the casinos while befree/valueclick is doubling their efforts. Well... I will just let everyone draw their own conclusion.

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    The comments made about technical difficulties could have some merit. The technical difficulties could include the problem with credit cards that the online gambling companies are not having. I have heard that the casinos are trying to find a way around the credit card problem and are trying to find a means to let players transfer funds to the casinos accouts. I am not sure that the systems being used are foolproof as yet. Then again I am not so sure that the online game operators are any more ethical than other business operators. Tricks will be tried. I would not promote merchants that I dont trust. It really is that simple.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> i'm wondering if this sounds fishy to anyone: i've sent 150 unique visitors to casino-on-net <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    For me it depends on how long it took you to send them the 150. If I did that the first month, I'd give them another month. 150 isn't much traffic to base a decision on. My criteria ranges from 300 to 500 depending on the product.

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    Don't they try to start the download automatically? That could account for the 33% download rate.

    50 out of 150 is rather high, but then one deposit out of 150 is pretty high too. 3 deposits on 50 downloads would be so high as to be almost fishy itself. My guess is technical issues could be legit.

    Are they offering a percentage or a one time payment? Percentage can be stronger over time on casino programs, but a flat fee is cleaner.

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