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    Does anyone know exactly what qualifies as a lead with them. Every now and then a lead rolls in from somewhere on one of my sites. I decided to put them up again even though I have never had good experiences with them. The leads are up to $5.00. Thats the only reason. Well someone I know signed up for them and no lead is showing over 24 hours later. Also I find it hard to believe that they only get a couple of hits per thousand imps on a fun site. Hmmmmm! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon9.gif>

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    I think there's some extra hoops for the customer to jump through before it qualifies as a lead, but it's been so long since I read that thread (I think it was at the old forum) that I forgot just what.

    Something about they either have to play a certain amount of times or take a newsletter or some S**t like that...sorry I can't be more specific!

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    Besides a reversal rate of 44.30% and who knows how many "lost" leads, they are ok. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    I know for a FACT leads are "lost".

    They say:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>you will be paid $12 for every advertiser you send us! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, I referred myself and used my link and opened and funded an account with them, bought PPC advertising, ad did the lead ever show up?

    NO!

    I contacted CJ about their "tracking problem" and they told me I would have to contact Bay9 myself to figure out why the tracking wasn't working right.

    Sound Familiar Anyone?

    That $5/lead seemed like a great opportunity to me too, but it just results in a hand full of leads in which they reverse at least 1/3rd of them for being "non qualified".

    Overall impression: :eek:

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    Leader, thanks. I was thinking it was the ole you have to jog to Michigan, find a lake. Skip the stone exactly 11 times, spin around 30 times as fast as you can and walk a straight line while drinking good ole Boones Farm Wine. Then you are only half way to getting the lead.

    CK, yup! Something is up with their tracking. Lol to cj telling us to contact the merchant. Jeeez.

    The worse thing is is that I must of put them on my site and taken them down probably 20 different times. I don't know why I expect them to change. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon36.gif>

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    If the stone doesn't skip exactly 11 times, then the lead is reversed for being "non-qualified".

    I too, keep getting suckered into their high/lead rates thinking someday the tracking will start working right. :rolleyes:

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Well, I referred myself and used my link and opened and funded an account with them, bought PPC advertising, ad did the lead ever show up?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Yeppers, that is exactly what happened to me. Just by looking at the front page of bay9 you know right off they are not on the same page as the rest of the net. (Unless you think the net is the classified section in some Star Mag Rag)

    I tried their banner ad scheme, ya know where you bid for placement. HA HA HA. The you find out you can't even use your own banner. What a rip.

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    Jeeez, I'm running out of good programs to use. I need Iwin and a few others back. I must be getting really desperate. I'm hoping with the new year comes new advertising budgets. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'm hoping with the new year comes new advertising budgets. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Man do I hear that! Iwin or Iwon please come back to Affiliatefuel!

    Or Onresponse!

    Or anywhere that pays on time!

    Calling all sweeps sites with $1.00 leads, SOS SOS SOS

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    With no venture capital to waste, game sites
    can't do what they used to do.

    Plus, advertisers who were paying good money to be on game sites left in droves because the traffic from them is the real bottom of the barrel in terms of conversions.

    In addition, the game sites resorted to daily spam newsletters which turned off mega numbers of people from joining.

    Plus, they multiplied like rabbits and this fact lowered the perceived value to join.

    And, they set their games to hardly ever pay anything and started to get perceived as 'all alike.'

    Combine all these facts and game sites are going the way of the dodo bird as far as being able to affor to pay affiliates more than chump change for leads.

    When CPM and CPC died due to faulty tracking and set ups and CPA came on, the game sites
    were and are at a huge disadvantage, because people are there to play games and be entertained not buy stuff.

    Advertising on game sites is like advertising on TV, 'branding.'

    For example, hardly anywhere on any game do you see - XYZ Game is brought to you by say CocoCola. Click here to get a coupon for a $1 off any 6 pack of Coke.

    What you see is a jumble of links to all sorts of places which are irrelevant to why you are there.

    The best thing is to find another niche or genre.

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    Uproar is back at cyberbounty.com same company as Iwin and usually does very well!

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    Lola, Do you have an affiliate link to join them through if I decide to. I'm wondering if that means they will start advertising all around again. Have you been paid by Cyberbounty. Anyone else?

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    I got a response from Bay9 as to what consitutes a valid lead.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As is stated in our program description on CJ, Bay9 only accepts registrants who are at least 18 years old, reside in the United Stated or Canada, and provide valid user information (i.e. address, birthday, etc).

    In terms of a tracking problem, the registrant must reply to a confirmation email that is sent to him or her shortly after registering on Bay9. The tracking pixel is located in that confirmation letter. Furthermore, the confirmation email is only sent to registrants who keep the box checked that reads, "Yes! I would like to receive information about other great contests from Bay9 via email." Therefore, if a registrant opts-out of receiving Bay9 email notices, he or she wil not receive the confirmation email and will never track through CJ.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    So, to me it sounds like alot of the reversals are because people don't provide all thee information requested that Bay9 is looking for in the top part above or they aren't 18 or are outside the US/Canada.

    As far as generating a lead in the first place, I guess you need to encourage them to "receive information about other great contests from Bay9 via email" and to reply to the confirmation email.

    Any good ideas on how to easily explain this process that we want the surfers to follow?

    ie.

    Follow these 3 simple steps to improve your chances of winning the Bay9 contest:

    1) Fill out your registration form COMPLETELY.
    2) Make sure the box is Checked to "receive information about other great contests from Bay9 via email".
    3) Reply promptly to the confirmation email.


    Any other ideas or suggestions?

    -CK

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    Or how about...

    Entering Bay9's contest is easy as 1, 2, 3!

    1) Click Here and Fill out your registration form COMPLETELY.
    2) Check the box that says "Yes! I would like to receive information about other great contests from Bay9 via email".
    3) Reply Promptly to the confirmation email.

    [ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Commission King ]

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    how about dropping bay 9 and using that space for something worth your investment of time and real estate?

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    So you are saying that people who fill out the form and don't check the YES to spam box don't count.

    Hmmm. So Bay9 gets the name, address, phone, email address from your traffic and you get ZIP if people don't spam.

    Sounds like fraud to me. You send the traffic, people sign up and they get the email address but get out of paying you because people don't check a YES box.

    Now since no one wants spam from the game sites, no one checks the box and you don't any money and they still get the name and email address and they send people spam about their games.

    The YES box deal is why almost every lead program has such rotten conversion rates.
    It's a systemic thing designed specifically to screw affiliates.

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    CK, I like the way you put the spin on Bay9. I might steal I mean borrow it and see how it works. My only problem is that people don't even click on it from what my stats say. Jeeez I wish I remebered if that person checked that box or not. I know they answered the reply email. Grrr I think I have to agree with Big Chuck and Fred on this one. It's almost right up there with the joke site trying to get a lead.

    LMAO, jeeez they have a zillion check marks already checked on the sign up. Their history. Again. I mean it this time. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif> Thanks for the info CK.

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    Not exactly an easy $5.

    I may try a "spin" similar to what I posted on page 1 and see what happens. If it doesn't work, then I give up on them.

    I'm thinking if you make it sound like they have to follow your instructions exactly or they are screwed, maybe people will. The only other problem I see, is with the 3 steps given to them upfront, that may reduce the click-through rate further. But then again, it doen't matter how good your click through rate is if they don't generate a good lead for you.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So you are saying that people who fill out the form and don't check the YES to spam box don't count.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Fred,
    That is what Bay9 is saying.
    ie They must agree to receive spam to a valid email address to receive a confirmation email that they have to open and read that has a link to a page that the person has to click on that takes them to another page that is supposed to have the tracking pixel that CJ is supposed to track that ultimately generates a lead.

    But if the person does ALL of this but DID NOT fill out the registration form COMPLETELY (ie omited birthdate, etc) then the lead is REVERSED for being a "Non Qualified Lead".

    I suppose if you had a site that attracts really gullible people that can follow my "3 simple steps" (page 1 of this thread), then you might be able to generate a couple leads.
    It's probably extremely difficult to generate any "valid" leads from a banner or even text without explaining the hoops that need to be jumped through. (I do generate leads, but now I wonder why? Does my site really attract that many stupid people?) [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I need Iwin and a few others back<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Packy,
    Windough at CPABank is still converting for me at 30%.

    Jackpot (who screwed me at CJ), is suddenly generating alot more leads for me at OnResponse. I give them sub-prime space, but I think I already have as many leads generated this month as I did all last month. Something must have changed. If you can stomach having Jackpot on your site, you might want to try them out again via OnResponse. OR is also supposed to be getting some more sweepstakes/contests offers up soon.

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    Welcome to the affiliate enabled SPAMM farm. It's harvest time. All these wanks posting affiliate programs based upon signing up folks for junk mail sell the names to multiple professional spammers and even brick-n-mortar telemarketers.

    Why would any site owner or an affiliate network want to even give these FREEBEE/Scumware/SPAMM artists any exposure. 100% of their mass marketing efforts come after an affiliate's commission is out of the tracking radar and they pay the networks like CJ squatt ( flat 250.00/month). Like the CPC issue CJ needs to boot out all the signup/lead merchants and let them find a hole under a rock at the less trusted networks. 100% sales on merchants. They need realtime reporting verified/audited whenever a merchant shows no sales activity for more than 5 days. CJ fraud team then places and tracks a "secret shopper" transaction. If that doesn't show up...termination notice to merchant given and enforced. Imagine a NYC cab company not acting on all 1200 cab drivers claiming they had no fares when turning off their meters all day!!!

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    CK, I unfortunately never learn. Even though Jackpot screwed me I still use them. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon36.gif> I just tried them again the other day at OR with no luck. I have been using them at Direct Leads and have been doing awesome with them. Plus they pay 75 cents there. Here's my referral linkMy Site if your not signed up with them yet and are interested or you can go there direct. They also have big prizes which converted well for me but they left for a couple of weeks and haven't converted since they came back. It might be a coding problem. I need to email Direct Leads and see whats up.

    I tried windough. Maybe I didn't give them enough of a chance. I'll try throwing a text link up again with some spin and see how it does.

    I just checked OR and Iwon is back again paying 1.00. Sheet, now I don't know what to do. I have been doing ok over at Linkshare with them with the higher payout. Maybe I'll give OR a day and see how they convert. Thanks for the help CK.

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    Iwon is back at OR? Cool, I've was just doing some updating and looking for some new stuff. Linkshare hates me and just doesn't convert for me. Iwon converted for me at OR at about 16% at linkshare, it's converting for me at 3.5%. Something is wrong or their reporting has some big delays.

    Windough - I just point out the $5,000,000 grand prize and the 2 new porsches and use a text link. I do use that 468 x 60 porsche banner a couple of places too. Most of my leads are generated off the text link. You might want to ad some "spin" to it too. (ie Click Here NOW for a chance to win $5,000,000 or 2 new porsches).

    I thought I had signed up for directleads at some point, but can't seem to find my account or login info. Got to get the IWON offer up first, but then I will use your link for directleads if I still can't find my login stuff. Thanks. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    CK, thanks if ya can use my referral link. I haven't been getting any referrals in awhile. I haven't received referrals from CJ in a longgg time. I wonder what's up with that. If you belong to cyberbounty give me a link and I'll join through it unless Lola comes back. I wanna get signed up there asap to see how Uproar converts.

    With Jackpot at Direct Leads I started slow but then they added the text links for each game they have. I put all of them on the page and have done good with them since. I think I'll go give Iwon another chance through OR. MAybe I'll mix and match OR and Linkshare. Thanks again.

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    Packy,

    I found another contest/sweepstakes you might be able to use. Pays $1.00/lead + 5% of sales. And guess what? It's through CJ.
    It's eHarlequin.com's $1,000,000 Sweepstakes.
    (just search CJ for eHarlequin )
    They have a link where you send people to this page here: http://store.eharlequin.com/stores/h...n_sweeps.jhtml

    Might be worth testing it out for $1/lead.
    They have a 120 x 90 banner linking to the above page with a $20.00 EPC. (that's a 20% conversion rate - not bad)
    I just joined it through CJ today, so I'll see how it goes. They batch transactions, so It might take a little while to figure out how well it really is doing.

    PS I'm not in cyberbounty so I can't swap sign-ups with you on that one.

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    CK, thanks I'll check it out and maybe give it a try. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif>

    BTW-I had a sign up today or yesterday at DirectLeads??????????? <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif> Was that you by chance?

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